Ancient Aliens

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Life on earth has survived for this long and eventually turned into intelligent life. All it took was liquid water and the soup which they think would be abundant out there as long as a place had liquid water...and time to flourish. with an estimated 40 trillion planets at the least ... and billions of years. well thats why the smartest people on earth think its a forgone conclusion that life is out there somewhere.
 

herodotus6

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I don't think you understand the harsh environment of space and the very specific requirements for life. You, along with the rest of the laymen here, drastically overestimate the likelihood of extraterrestrial life. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? No way. And that is without discussing the advanced life. The chances of advanced extraterrestrial life is near zero.
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Is the universe harsh? Absolutely.

Are there specific requirements for life? Yes, but as I pointed out earlier, if the requirements for life as we know it is the only way it can happen, the universe is full of that stuff in the exact order we need it, and based on the easiest element to make molecules.

Look at the fossil record. Going by carbon dating, the oldest fossils are between 3.7 to 4.1 billion years old. So not only did life happen, it pretty much happened as soon as it possibly could on Earth.

The fact that you are willing to rule out extraterrestrial life of any kind without us leaving our own damned solar system is more telling of you being uneducated than those of us using science and the hypotheses of those who made careers looking into space.
 

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You can find compelling arguments by people with far more learning and intelligence than anyone on this board supporting both sides of this question

I'm not so sure of that. Do intellectual people who can spew big words based on a claim that simpletons find in awe? Oh hell yeah. I like hearing the so-called Sagans, Hawkings, the aging Japanese guy, De Grasse Tyson, etc,.... but Nail it hit. We don't know enough to take their theories any more serious than Cleetus's claims. 123456789.
 
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TortElvisII

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I'm not so sure of that. Do intellectual people who can spew big words based on a claim that simpletons find in awe? Oh hell yeah. I like hearing the so-called Sagans, Hawkings, the aging Japanese guy, De Grasse Tyson, etc,.... but Nail it hit. We don't know enough to take their theories any more serious than Cleetus's claims.

#Tardigrade

Cletus seen them little green men when he went fishing with his buddies near Pippa Passes.
 
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You can find compelling arguments by people with far more learning and intelligence than anyone on this board supporting both sides of this question. Read Stephen Hawking's lecture on the chances of intelligent life forming elsewhere. He doesn't come to a firm conclusion, but certainly expresses lots of skepticism that it happened.

It's enough of a debatable point that, at a minimum, it's foolish and arrogant to disparage anyone's opinion on the matter.

To me, the arguments that there is (or has been) intelligent life elsewhere all boil down to math -- if it happened here, and there are lots and lots of other places out there, then it must have happened in some of those other places. That's not persuasive, especially when we can't even say with any kind of precision or certainty how life happened on earth.
Still, to make the claim that it can't happen and can't be out there when we don't even have the technology to leave our own Solar System, and the fact it has clearly happened before because we are here seems beyond foolish.

Saying so is akin to looking at a glass of water from the ocean and saying whales don't exist because there are none in the glass of water.
 

MdWIldcat55

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I'm not so sure of that. Do intellectual people who can spew big words based on a claim that simpletons find in awe? Oh hell yeah. I like hearing the so-called Sagans, Hawkings, the aging Japanese guy, De Grasse Tyson, etc,.... but Nail it hit. We don't know enough to take their theories any more serious than Cleetus's claims.

#Tardigrade
That's my point, Willy. We know so little that really suggests an answer to the question that any opinion is as likely to be right as any other.
 
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herodotus6

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My point is that "can't be" and "must be" are equally foolish at this point.

A century ago, people had no idea if there was intelligent life on Mars, but there was great enthusiasm on both sides of the issue -- especially the 'life DOES exist' side of the debate. People absolutely believed they were seeing intelligently constructed canals crisscrossing the planet. Then we went there, and now we know.

I hear people all the time talk about the mathematics of it -- so many trillion stars, life is profligate, etc. -- as if that assures that intelligent life MUST exist elsewhere. But that's not really evidence, and it certainly isn't persuasive. It's just math. A trillion multiplied by zero is still zero, and we don't know how unique the factors were leading to intelligent life on earth.

At least people actually thought they were seeing something with the canals of Mars. We've got NO evidence, one way or the other, about intelligent life outside earth.
I won't disagree with that, but those on the pro-extraterrestrial life side usually don't take the hard line that it has to be out there.

I've never heard Tyson, Dawkins, Krauss, or Nye say that it has to be out there, or that it is out there and we haven't found it. Instead, they offer the facts that it happened once with us, the components to do it again are all over the universe, and there are countless places in the universe life could happen. Yet they always come back to we have to explore to know for sure.

Those against life elsewhere just completely shut it down because they either want to feel special in the universe or because God.
 

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Good conversation. Just to dumb it back down a little bit: I actually enjoy the show Ancient Aliens. However, I only really enjoy it because I like to see the great and amazing things that man, especially ancient man, has built. I do like to contemplate those things and I do wonder how they achieved such perfection in engineering and architecture without the use of modern tools. Machu Picchu is a pretty good example of this. However, I do not come to the conclusion that aliens had any hand in assisting us to build these ancient structures, that they were here, or that they had any influence on those cultures. It is probably no great mystery how they constructed these things, but it does amaze me that they were able to.
 

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I won't disagree with that, but those on the pro-extraterrestrial life side usually don't take the hard line that it has to be out there.

I've never heard Tyson, Dawkins, Krauss, or Nye say that it has to be out there, or that it is out there and we haven't found it. Instead, they offer the facts that it happened once with us, the components to do it again are all over the universe, and there are countless places in the universe life could happen. Yet they always come back to we have to explore to know for sure.

Those against life elsewhere just completely shut it down because they either want to feel special in the universe or because God.
Actually I think Hawking is opposed to searching for other civilizations on the grounds that they could be predatory. Or maybe it was someone else. Or maybe I made it up.
 
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Actually I think Hawking is opposed to searching for other civilizations on the grounds that they could be predatory. Or maybe it was someone else. Or maybe I made it up.
Wouldn't surprise me if he said that. Think about it, we can barely send a man to our own Moon. If advanced life of any kind were to pop up in the sky, they are already more advanced than we are by just being able to get here. If predatory, we are either screwed, or will be welcoming our new alien overlords.
 
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Wouldn't surprise me if he said that. Think about it, we can barely send a man to our own Moon. If advanced life of any kind were to pop up in the sky, they are already more advanced than we are by just being able to get here. If predatory, we are either screwed, or will be welcoming our new alien overlords.
If you are the first civilization to reach type 3 then I think the next logical step would be to remove all potential threats to your existence. Or maybe species become more peaceful the more advanced they become.
 

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What alien species is that?
I think Hawking is actually devolving into a blobfish.

 
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I won't disagree with that, but those on the pro-extraterrestrial life side usually don't take the hard line that it has to be out there.

I've never heard Tyson, Dawkins, Krauss, or Nye say that it has to be out there, or that it is out there and we haven't found it. Instead, they offer the facts that it happened once with us, the components to do it again are all over the universe, and there are countless places in the universe life could happen. Yet they always come back to we have to explore to know for sure.

Those against life elsewhere just completely shut it down because they either want to feel special in the universe or because God.

Mike Tyson also said: " everybody has a plan, till you get punched in the mouth." Words to live by.
 

d2atTech

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Stick to ugly *** pilots that you think are hot. You are clearly out of your element, Donnie.

Cool your jets chief. This is paddock. Plus if aliens were any good with BBQ sauce, we would have eaten them by now.
 

Chuck79

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lol

If I could get a dime for every Larry who believes in aliens, I'd be retired right now.

How about every astronaut, highly ranking soldier, policeman, governor(Ronald Reagan), president(Reagan, Jimmy Carter), secretary of defense(a former Canadian secretary of defense)?
What about multiple sightings of the same flying object on the same night in the same city?

It's easy to laugh and make fun of the subject if you've never bothered doing any actual research on it.
 
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How about every astronaut, highly ranking soldier, policeman, governor(Ronald Reagan), president(Reagan, Jimmy Carter), secretary of defense(a former Canadian secretary of defense)?
What about multiple sightings of the same flying object on the same night in the same city?

It's easy to laugh and make fun of the subject if you've never bothered doing any actual research on it.

Wut
 
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It's easy to laugh and make fun of the subject if you've never bothered doing any actual research on it.

It's even easier after you have done actual research on it.

I understand though, man - everyone wants Star Wars to be a true story. Well, except for the peaceful denizens of Alderaan, that is. What happened to those poor bastards is no laughing matter.
 
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It's even easier after you have done actual research on it.

I understand though, man - everyone wants Star Wars to be a true story. Well, except for the peaceful denizens of Alderaan, that is. What happened to those poor bastards is no laughing matter.
Depends. Everything is funny to someone.
 

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Everyone of those people I listed have reported seen a UFO. There has even been an instance that fighter jets were scrambled because something unidentified flew towards and over the White House.
There is video showing the former Canadian secretary of Defense speaking to a room full of other politicians telling them that it is time to tell the world that UFOs are real.
 

UKserialkiller

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Everyone of those people I listed have reported seen a UFO. There has even been an instance that fighter jets were scrambled because something unidentified flew towards and over the White House.
There is video showing the former Canadian secretary of Defense speaking to a room full of other politicians telling them that it is time to tell the world that UFOs are real.

Hellyer? hahaha Guy has never seen an alien, but had some weird sighting that he couldn't explain and then took in 2nd hand knowledge to validate his thoughts. But he was Canadian high office. So I guess he's legit, right?

Before you call out people for "not believing". I am an Atheist and a definite believer in non Earth intelligence existence and have studied this topic thoroughly because I would hate to find out that the best that God could do is produce something as ****** as humans in an Universe that could produce infinite life forms. Yet, there are only a few videos that actually perk my interest. Sorry. As much as I am believer, there is not enough evidence to change my beliefs
 

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Everyone of those people I listed have reported seen a UFO. There has even been an instance that fighter jets were scrambled because something unidentified flew towards and over the White House.
There is video showing the former Canadian secretary of Defense speaking to a room full of other politicians telling them that it is time to tell the world that UFOs are real.

Welp that does it for me, I'm in.
 
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They done sex **** to
Cousin Eddie and who was laughing when he flew
That jet Strate up that space tailpipe over the desert. I'd stay drunk too and live
In rv.
But the. I'd practice on Atari every day on chance that me and a
Some others could kick some tires
And light some
Fires
 

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How about every astronaut, highly ranking soldier, policeman, governor(Ronald Reagan), president(Reagan, Jimmy Carter), secretary of defense(a former Canadian secretary of defense)?
What about multiple sightings of the same flying object on the same night in the same city?

It's easy to laugh and make fun of the subject if you've never bothered doing any actual research on it.

Everyone of those people I listed have reported seen a UFO. There has even been an instance that fighter jets were scrambled because something unidentified flew towards and over the White House.
There is video showing the former Canadian secretary of Defense speaking to a room full of other politicians telling them that it is time to tell the world that UFOs are real.

So EVERY astronaut, EVERY highly ranking "soldier," and EVERY policeman have reported seen a UFO?

That's a big old bag of false.

But it is easy to laugh and make fun of your posts, and it didn't take much 'actual research' to do so.
 
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They done sex **** to
Cousin Eddie and who was laughing when he flew
That jet Strate up that space tailpipe over the desert. I'd stay drunk too and live
In rv.
But the. I'd practice on Atari every day on chance that me and a
Some others could kick some tires
And light some
Fires
best. movie. ever.
 

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So EVERY astronaut, EVERY highly ranking "soldier," and EVERY policeman have reported seen a UFO?

That's a big old bag of false.

But it is easy to laugh and make fun of your posts, and it didn't take much 'actual research' to do so.


agree with you my friend. that's about as likely as pornstars "not enjoying it" as they film...
 

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I was going to post a response about how ridiculous it is to rule out life in the universe seeing as how we really don't know anything about it and then I started trying to conceptualize how big the universe was and the purpose of it and how it might have started and I got dizzy and overwhelmed and started to black out a little bit. The only thing I regret about not being born 1,000 years from now is missing out on what they might have discovered about space by then.
 

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I was going to post a response about how ridiculous it is to rule out life in the universe seeing as how we really don't know anything about it and then I started trying to conceptualize how big the universe was and the purpose of it and how it might have started and I got dizzy and overwhelmed and started to black out a little bit. The only thing I regret about not being born 1,000 years from now is missing out on what they might have discovered about space by then.

not to mention you'd be getting maddd poon after teaching people that boiling water kills germs.
 
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