And here we go . . . A&M and Miami Fla with Covid outbreaks

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If you are saying they would cover up covid cases then bravo alabama. Asymptomatic or cold cases are not worth not playing the playoff over.

that is what I am saying.

UA is too smart and too slick to have not developed a plan to avoid sitting a perfectly healthy kid who tests positive for C19.
 

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For a virus that has a survival rate of over 98.5%....and that's even letting the fudged numbers (where if you died of something else, but had Covid, it counted as Covid) stand.
 

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All I'm gonna say is if you are an AD...or a coach...or you know a decent human being unlike most of the people here you're not gonna risk it. Yes a lot of these guys are in the prime of their life. But we dont know every players health. I'm sure there are some with diabetes or asthma or breathing issues. And lets not forget the lineman who a lot of them are obese. Yes they are strong, but a lot of them are just really fat. If you are an AD and one of them gets it and God forbid dies; your program is toast. You got these kids already laying their health on the line in a physical game, and now you want them to take a chance on getting sick? For what? Because a bunch of old grouchy boomers on catsillustrated will think their soft? Some of this is just downright sad. This has to be the only country that thinks numerous powers in the world are all somehow conspiring to do this, and every university and study done is all ran by the Reptilians for some reason. Yet it's not a mental illness to believe some invisible man in the sky is talking to you.
The statistical risks to these guys playing is no different than the flu. Yet we don’t apply this logic to that or anything else…always the ‘it’s on your head’ line. We’ve had more kids die from heat and heart issues in football than we’ve had anything with this not to mention paralysis, lifelong injury and concussion issues. Yet we only somehow apply this logic to Covid and the third and weak strain of a virus that mimics a cold based on the countries that have dealt with it in advance of us. we also have the vaccine if people want it or feel it’s beneficial.

I also find irony that the leaders that push the current ‘third booster to a vaccine is the answer to it all’ and criticizes any vax doubters as having tin foil on their heads ahappens to be the same group that during the election in an effort to make Covid a primary issue said things such as ‘We can’t trust a vaccine created during the time of this administration’. Now those are the vaccines that solve it all. I AM NOT anti vax. This hide in your basement thing and all the other stuff 2 years in is just beyond logic even for the ‘educated’ people that apparently can’t search statistics for themselves, for example, between states that handled this completely differently yet the numbers end up being roughly the same over time. Example…Even if we don’t parse out died with vs died of, 12,000 KY deaths are attributable to Covid. 4,425,000 in KY. .27% of the population. On the other hand TN ended masks and such as quickly as anybody and has been as accommodative to free choice policies as any state. They have 18,100 deaths. 6,600,000 people. .27% death rate.

it is unfortunate but we are not going to stop losing lives to this ever. We have been losing 60-100k a year to flu and that’s a virus our bodies have some immunity against from years upon years of battling it. At this point people have their options to protect themselves. It is established that none of these options prevents spread. So it’s not about other people. I have a ‘lung issue’ and have to make my own decisions. If I want to stay home I can do that to protect myself but other people staying at home doesn’t help me any more than me staying at home. Same with vaccination.
 

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For a virus that has a survival rate of over 98.5%....and that's even letting the fudged numbers (where if you died of something else, but had Covid, it counted as Covid) stand.
It's not 98.5%, even assuming that the death totals are real. It's 99.5%, because, for every known case, the CDC estimates about two cases that were never tested. They estimated close to 120 million cases in May and it is surely about 200 million now.
 

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The statistical risks to these guys playing is no different than the flu. Yet we don’t apply this logic to that or anything else…always the ‘it’s on your head’ line. We’ve had more kids die from heat and heart issues in football than we’ve had anything with this not to mention paralysis, lifelong injury and concussion issues. Yet we only somehow apply this logic to Covid and the third and weak strain of a virus that mimics a cold based on the countries that have dealt with it in advance of us. we also have the vaccine if people want it or feel it’s beneficial.

I also find irony that the leaders that push the current ‘third booster to a vaccine is the answer to it all’ and criticizes any vax doubters as having tin foil on their heads ahappens to be the same group that during the election in an effort to make Covid a primary issue said things such as ‘We can’t trust a vaccine created during the time of this administration’. Now those are the vaccines that solve it all. I AM NOT anti vax. This hide in your basement thing and all the other stuff 2 years in is just beyond logic even for the ‘educated’ people that apparently can’t search statistics for themselves, for example, between states that handled this completely differently yet the numbers end up being roughly the same over time. Example…Even if we don’t parse out died with vs died of, 12,000 KY deaths are attributable to Covid. 4,425,000 in KY. .27% of the population. On the other hand TN ended masks and such as quickly as anybody and has been as accommodative to free choice policies as any state. They have 18,100 deaths. 6,600,000 people. .27% death rate.

it is unfortunate but we are not going to stop losing lives to this ever. We have been losing 60-100k a year to flu and that’s a virus our bodies have some immunity against from years upon years of battling it. At this point people have their options to protect themselves. It is established that none of these options prevents spread. So it’s not about other people. I have a ‘lung issue’ and have to make my own decisions. If I want to stay home I can do that to protect myself but other people staying at home doesn’t help me any more than me staying at home. Same with vaccination.
It's not an easy choice. But it's frustrating that the boomers here are just like "Sure I don't give a **** about someone elses kid. I just need my football." Keep in mind a lot of the guys that post here (specifically the political thread on paddock) are so damn overweight they've not seen their dick since the 90's and are primary covid death statistics waiting to happen. But I digress...

The issues you mentioned about heart issues, paralysis, concussion and all that is another issue coming up for football. I honestly won't be surprised if football is dead within the next 2 decades. Just too much long term studies coming out showing how bad it really is. We know more and more about CTE and theres just hardly no amount of player safety thats gonna stop it.

There was an article last year i read about how many parents are now forbidding their kids to strap up and play. The percentage is growing every year. The midwest and coasts are even losing the wealth of recruits they used to have because of this. Also I seen NFL guys earlier this month say they won't let their kids put on pads and helmet until high school...if at all.

Factor in soccer is growing at a fast rate in the states. It's cheap to play and a lot safer, plus the Latino growth. I just forsee a future when college football is gone. Or so radically different than what it is now it will be hard to recognize. The south will be the last to let go of course.
 
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It's not an easy choice. But it's frustrating that the boomers here are just like "Sure I don't give a **** about someone elses kid. I just need my football." Keep in mind a lot of the guys that post here (specifically the political thread on paddock) are so damn overweight they've not seen their dick since the 90's and are primary covid death statistics waiting to happen. But I digress...

The issues you mentioned about heart issues, paralysis, concussion and all that is another issue coming up for football. I honestly won't be surprised if football is dead within the next 2 decades. Just too much long term studies coming out showing how bad it really is. We know more and more about CTE and theres just hardly no amount of player safety thats gonna stop it.

There was an article last year i read about how many parents are now forbidding their kids to strap up and play. The percentage is growing every year. The midwest and coasts are even losing the wealth of recruits they used to have because of this. Also I seen NFL guys earlier this month say they won't let their kids put on pads and helmet until high school...if at all.

Factor in soccer is growing at a fast rate in the states. It's cheap to play and a lot safer, plus the Latino growth. I just forsee a future when college football is gone. Or so radically different than what it is now it will be hard to recognize. The south will be the last to let go of course.

Doubt it...

"Since the regular season began, ratings and viewership are skyrocketing across all major networks entering Week 5. NFL Media announced that its nationally-broadcasted games are averaging 17.3 million viewers per game (TV and digital), a 17% increase from the 2020 season."

And as long as there are people watching and buying tickets, other people will volunteer to get paid 10,000x the average persons salary to play.

Hell, I'd do it for 1/10 of what most of those guys make. ****, I'll take my chances to play a GAME for a living and make huge stacks of money while I do it.

There will never be a shortage of participants. Most people simply don't care that much. Some may, but most don't.
 

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I see where Hawaii has pulled out its Bowl.

Had lots of Covid . . . but also were 6-8 this season and had a lot of injuries and transfers, sort of the Tex A&M model, if I were inclined to be cynical
 

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"Since the regular season began, ratings and viewership are skyrocketing across all major networks entering Week 5. NFL Media announced that its nationally-broadcasted games are averaging 17.3 million viewers per game (TV and digital), a 17% increase from the 2020 season."
Cable is a dying medium. If you check those ratings carefully, it's overwhelmingly 50+ crowd....the least important in terms of advertising. Cable/Satellite is gonna die with the boomer crowd. Sports will go to online streams. Which is why you see courts now trying to crack down on the pirate streams. You're mistaken on the 17.3 million per game. Your quoting one game which was Saints/Cowboys. That was propaganda by NFL. First of all they're highlighting one game, which was the Saints/Cowboys..not the whole season. Secondly, if you read carefully, it says measuring across all it's platforms. Here you can see on tv ratings, that game was watched 2.9 million people and 1.1 million in the important age group. So that leaves about 14 million unaccounted for. NFL claims this comes from "their" platforms. And the thing about that is there is no way to know if they are being truthful or not because it's not public data. What is most likely is they have around 20 million subscribers to their digital streaming service and they just make numbers up for how many games are watched. Because the vast majority of fans just subscribe to that service to watch their own team. Not watch the Thursday night game. Even the cable ratings reflect this. Theres a number of reasons they do this, most importantly to try and generate interest back into the season. But again we have no way to verify their claim. It's also possible that 17 million fans turned the game on for a few seconds to check the score and disconnect from the stream. And then NFL will claim that 17 million while in reality it was to check the final score; again their data is not verifiable.

For example heres the Monday night game Ratings and Monday night has historically had the highest rated game per week. Here you see 7.3 million people watched. Out of that, the important demographic (18-49) was 3.1 million. For advertising purposes, no one cares about the 50+ and it's 4.2 million of that score. You can see how thats gonna be a problem in the future. The Monday before that (12-13-21) was similar numbers with 7.9 million overall and 3.3 in the young demographic.

And as long as there are people watching and buying tickets, other people will volunteer to get paid 10,000x the average persons salary to play.

Hell, I'd do it for 1/10 of what most of those guys make. ****, I'll take my chances to play a GAME for a living and make huge stacks of money while I do it.
Yes if you was guaranteed to make that, I'd say most people would. But how many recruits from high school play college ball? 1.1 million high school kids play football. NCCA claims 6 percent (66,000) of high school football players will get some form of scholarship to play ball. Furthermore, out of the 70,100 college players, only 2 percent (1,402) will play professional in some capacity. So you're looking at insane odds at being able to play ball professionally. Is it worth it to have dementia at 40 being fed applesauce at a retirement home? My guess is thats why a lot of parents are having second thoughts.

There will never be a shortage of participants. Most people simply don't care that much. Some may, but most don't.
Again, not sure where you got this since you havent listed one source with any of your claims. There are numerous sources that state the opposite.




Football participation has been in decline since 2008
Down to 7 states that produce over 50 percent of college talent
More lots of good data in this article. Mentions that by 2030 with current trends, high school football will be played by only 800k vs. 1.1 million now. It talks about how college will most likely become a regional (southeast and Ohio valley) based game. And how NFL overseas expansion is probably dead now.
 

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Had lots of Covid . . . but also were 6-8 this season and had a lot of injuries and transfers, sort of the Tex A&M model, if I were inclined to be cynical
Yah wish they would move Memphis over to Wakes game now. But Rutgers fans are already mad over the suggestion. This has been handled poorly.
 

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You test asymptomatic people so maybe they know they have it and stay away from Grandma.

1,000,000 deaths wont mean a thing to some of you until it hits home.
Out of almost 400,000,000 people is a very small %. If you are waiting to 0 % it will never happen. polio still happens all these years.
 

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Yah wish they would move Memphis over to Wakes game now. But Rutgers fans are already mad over the suggestion. This has been handled poorly.
That would have been ideal if Hawaii had canceled before Memfuss left home. As it is, Memfuss has been in Hawaii for several days and I'd guess isn't scheduled to go back home until tomorrow or Saturday. I can't imagine how much it costs to fly your football team, coaches, support staff, equipment, athletics department personnel and put them up in a hotel with meals and other activities. Then they'd have to turn right around and spend more money to fly to Jacksonville and do it all over again. I'd guess that Memfuss lost a chunk of money going to Hawaii in the first place.
 

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Was reported this AM that both teams are dealing with Covid, have gone to virtual meetings, etc. But Miami has to fly to Sun Bowl, and they are having a conference call with bowl officials this AM. So far, both teams say they intend to show up and play. Just like UK and UNC in basketball, their opponents (Wake and Wash State) have not reported any problems so far. Unconfirmed rumor from Miami is that it is a large number of players affected, but nowhere near 1/2 their team, FWIW.

I would like to know what a lot of teams are intending to do over Christmas break, it would suck not to be able to go home and see family, but with playoff games coming up in 9 days (UC v. Bama, and UGA v. Michigan), that is a tough spot for coaches, administrators, and players to be in. Glad I am not getting paid to make the decisions. I think the new NFL protocol makes the most sense in that if you are vaxxed, and boosted, and have no symptoms, there is no reason to test.
Not sure how that makes sense at all when vaxxed are getting as much as unvax.. what’s the point in that policy for vax, but not unvax?