And ND will lose on the same call the SEC refs WOULDN'T make against KY....
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It's pretty apparent that they're making a concerted effort to watch for that in this tourney. I think it was Syracuse that benefited from that yesterday.
What sucks for ND was that the guy made the FT, so it didn't really have any effect on the outcome of the play. Oh well, stop trying to cheat...
What sucks for ND was that the guy made the FT, so it didn't really have any effect on the outcome of the play. Oh well, stop trying to cheat...
No one said that it didn't matter. What it was not was the only reason we lost. Would you like me to recap that for you and the multiple chances we pissed away?
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Of course you and your sweetheart tried to downplay that it didn't cost us the game. Hell yes, it cost us the game, doesn't matter what happened beforehand. A blown call like that in the last second makes all the difference in the world. But I get it, since it was a Stans coached team, it didn't matter. some of us may not always agree with you and your sweetheart but we are not morons. Wonder how a called third called strike outside of the strike zone would be treated by you and your buddy if it cost us a game. What a bunch of two faced jerks.
<font size="2"><span style="font-family: Verdana;">Let me remind you that first, </span></font><font style="font-family: Verdana;" size="2">we should not have gone into the SECT on the bubble. If we
were a true tournament team, we had five months to prove it. We didn’t. Just like this year, we didn't beat teams we should have beaten. One non-whistle in the last four seconds in Nashville didn’t wipe out
five months of inconsistent, underachieving basketball. The fact that winning the tournament was our only chance to make the NCAAs speaks volumes about our season.
The refs didn’t "cost us the game" against Kentucky. One call made in a
vacuum rarely has that much impact on a game. Did they blow the call?
Yes. Did it suck as a State fan? Of course. But <span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">it was also just as much our
fault that it got to that point</span>.
Here's what led up to that non-call. No rational person (which I understand excludes you when talking about basketball) can say that call cost us the game.
1:41 to go, up five.
1:28 Dodson misses but Patterson gets the rebound and scores. Up three. With the ball.
OPPORTUNITY #1: GET THE REBOUND, GET FOULED, MAKE FREE THROWS AND YOU WIN THE GAME.
1:06 Cousins fouls Jarvis. Our senior All SEC center steps to the line. Misses the first. Misses the second.
OPPORTUNITY #2: MAKE THE FREE THROWS AND YOU GO UP FIVE AND PROBABLY WIN THE GAME.
0:51
Cousins misses a jumper and Bost gets the rebound. Bledsoe fouls him
with 43 seconds left but that’s the sixth team foul, so we are not
shooting. Stewart, another senior, and Benock turn it over on the
inbounds, Wall scores, and now we are only up 1 with 40 seconds left.
OPPORTUNITY #3: DON’T TURN IT OVER, GET FOULED, HIT FREE THROWS AND YOU WIN THE GAME.
0:27 Bledsoe fouls Dee. He misses the front end of the one and one.
OPPORTUNITY #4: MAKE THE FREE THROWS AND YOU WIN THE GAME.
0:12 Wall misses. Stewart get the rebound, is fouled, and hits both free throws. So now we’re up three again.
0:07 Kentucky calls timeout. We also have the chance to talk to our team, not that you can tell it.
0:04
Bledsoe gets away with a walk on the inbounds, then gets fouled too
early, goes to the line, makes one, misses one, Wall misses a three, but
Cousins rebounds and puts it in to tie it.
OPPORTUNITY #5: DON’T FOUL SO QUICKLY, REDUCING THE CHANCE FOR A PUTBACK.
OPPORTUNITY #6: GET THE EFFING REBOUND AND YOU WIN THE GAME.
So
if you want to blame the ref for missing the FT call, fine. They certainly blew it. The walk on
Bledsoe was MUCH more blatant. But the bottom line is we had six
opportunities to win the game in the last 100 seconds, and didn’t get it
done. I give us full credit for playing a great 38 minutes, but the
last two minutes cost us that game, not the last four seconds.
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were a true tournament team, we had five months to prove it. We didn’t. Just like this year, we didn't beat teams we should have beaten. One non-whistle in the last four seconds in Nashville didn’t wipe out
five months of inconsistent, underachieving basketball. The fact that winning the tournament was our only chance to make the NCAAs speaks volumes about our season.
The refs didn’t "cost us the game" against Kentucky. One call made in a
vacuum rarely has that much impact on a game. Did they blow the call?
Yes. Did it suck as a State fan? Of course. But <span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">it was also just as much our
fault that it got to that point</span>.
Here's what led up to that non-call. No rational person (which I understand excludes you when talking about basketball) can say that call cost us the game.
1:41 to go, up five.
1:28 Dodson misses but Patterson gets the rebound and scores. Up three. With the ball.
OPPORTUNITY #1: GET THE REBOUND, GET FOULED, MAKE FREE THROWS AND YOU WIN THE GAME.
1:06 Cousins fouls Jarvis. Our senior All SEC center steps to the line. Misses the first. Misses the second.
OPPORTUNITY #2: MAKE THE FREE THROWS AND YOU GO UP FIVE AND PROBABLY WIN THE GAME.
0:51
Cousins misses a jumper and Bost gets the rebound. Bledsoe fouls him
with 43 seconds left but that’s the sixth team foul, so we are not
shooting. Stewart, another senior, and Benock turn it over on the
inbounds, Wall scores, and now we are only up 1 with 40 seconds left.
OPPORTUNITY #3: DON’T TURN IT OVER, GET FOULED, HIT FREE THROWS AND YOU WIN THE GAME.
0:27 Bledsoe fouls Dee. He misses the front end of the one and one.
OPPORTUNITY #4: MAKE THE FREE THROWS AND YOU WIN THE GAME.
0:12 Wall misses. Stewart get the rebound, is fouled, and hits both free throws. So now we’re up three again.
0:07 Kentucky calls timeout. We also have the chance to talk to our team, not that you can tell it.
0:04
Bledsoe gets away with a walk on the inbounds, then gets fouled too
early, goes to the line, makes one, misses one, Wall misses a three, but
Cousins rebounds and puts it in to tie it.
OPPORTUNITY #5: DON’T FOUL SO QUICKLY, REDUCING THE CHANCE FOR A PUTBACK.
OPPORTUNITY #6: GET THE EFFING REBOUND AND YOU WIN THE GAME.
So
if you want to blame the ref for missing the FT call, fine. They certainly blew it. The walk on
Bledsoe was MUCH more blatant. But the bottom line is we had six
opportunities to win the game in the last 100 seconds, and didn’t get it
done. I give us full credit for playing a great 38 minutes, but the
last two minutes cost us that game, not the last four seconds.
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Funny how that call doesn't matter when it is us in basketball buthaving a losing record in the conference in baseball and getting to the regional is fine. By the way, and I am not against Cohen, but as of last night he has lost twice as many SEC baseball games as he has won. Don't see you and your sweetheart Coach pounding on him. We get it, you both hated Stans, but lets try comparing apples to apples for once.Winning the SEC tourney is an automatic bid and it doesn't matter how you get in the dance but that wouldn't suit your agenda. Hell, the guy resigned, you got what you wanted but don't think for a minute there are not fans who know we got screwed no matter what we did up until that time.
Football v basketball
Basketball v baseball
Baseball v football
You're never going to get people to agree to what the ground rules are for what "successful" means to have that discussion, so just give up trying.
I liked making the Supers last year. I didn't like, and don't like, being under .500 during the season. Actually I don't like losing, ever, but it happens. Whatever we did last year in baseball got us to the postseason. Whatever we did in hoops in 2009 and this year didn't. No comparisons, just facts.
You're right that getting in the tournament is getting in, but we didn't get in back in 2009, and it wasn't because of one non-call against John Wall. We put ourselves in that position from November - March. Had we not lost to some inferior teams, like we did this year, that lane violation wouldn't have stung quite so much. Did that call screw us? Yes. Was it in and of itself the only reason we lose? Hardly. If you want to be that narrow-minded to think it is, then suit yourself. I prefer to look at the whole picture. The way we were managing the last two minutes there's no guarantee we could have closed it out if they had called it.
Basketball v baseball
Baseball v football
You're never going to get people to agree to what the ground rules are for what "successful" means to have that discussion, so just give up trying.
I liked making the Supers last year. I didn't like, and don't like, being under .500 during the season. Actually I don't like losing, ever, but it happens. Whatever we did last year in baseball got us to the postseason. Whatever we did in hoops in 2009 and this year didn't. No comparisons, just facts.
You're right that getting in the tournament is getting in, but we didn't get in back in 2009, and it wasn't because of one non-call against John Wall. We put ourselves in that position from November - March. Had we not lost to some inferior teams, like we did this year, that lane violation wouldn't have stung quite so much. Did that call screw us? Yes. Was it in and of itself the only reason we lose? Hardly. If you want to be that narrow-minded to think it is, then suit yourself. I prefer to look at the whole picture. The way we were managing the last two minutes there's no guarantee we could have closed it out if they had called it.
I responded to it and then you immediately called me a moron. It had nothing to do with what happened before then but the fact had the call been made correctly we would have probably won. Now whether or not we would not have been able to close out with a lead and 7 seconds left with the ball is not the issue. It cost us any chance of winning and it was different from Notre Dame who did it to themselves.
SEC Football- best conference in the country and nobody is close...Top 3 in the SEC West finished in the top 5 in the NATION...always has 6-7 teams ranked in the top 25
SEC Baseball- best conference in the country. Always has 5 or more teams ranked in the top 25...like the Big East I'm basketball- SEC baseball could have it's 6th or 7th beat team make the Final 8 or Final Four
SEC Basketball???? Kentucky, Florida and mediocrity. Has been or 3-4 bid league for the last 5 years...conference record better be above .500 to even be considered decent...the 2nd place team didn't even make the NCAA Tourney- that tells you all you need to know about the strength of the SEC in basketball
SEC Baseball- best conference in the country. Always has 5 or more teams ranked in the top 25...like the Big East I'm basketball- SEC baseball could have it's 6th or 7th beat team make the Final 8 or Final Four
SEC Basketball???? Kentucky, Florida and mediocrity. Has been or 3-4 bid league for the last 5 years...conference record better be above .500 to even be considered decent...the 2nd place team didn't even make the NCAA Tourney- that tells you all you need to know about the strength of the SEC in basketball
this had nothing to do with anything other than we got screwed on the same call that was called correctly last night. Your pillow talk buddy had to go off on me for agreeing with the original post. I simply brought up,baseball because since you are now in bed with Cohen and he can do no wrong based on your post, i compared the two and even a slow learner can see that you didn't post one positive post about our basketball coach in over 8 years and then you say it is okay to luck up and advance in baseball but it is ridiculous to advance to the dance with an SEC tourney championship. Double standard if there ever was one.
So it's OK to consider what Notre Dame did prior to the call against them but not OK to consider what we did prior to the non-call against us? Thought you wanted apples to apples? And yes, anyone who thinks that one call was the sole reason we lost that game is a moron.Dawgbreeze said:
Your constant trying to turn every damn thread into something about Coach34 is so embarrassing and it's making you look like a dumbass. I agree with both of you at times, and disagree with you both of you at times, but the truth lies somewhere in between your points of view. But you went from trying to prove a point a while back, to just sounding whiny and like a woman on her period nowadays.
Stansbury lovers like you are right about one thing....we were guaranteed to be either NIT bound or NCAA bound every year, usually on the bubble either way. The thing you can't get through your head though, is that he was achieving this feat with talent that should have been competing for Sweet 16's, Elite 8's, and Final 4's. He wasn't disrespected because he was here for 14 years as head coach and allowed MANY underachieving seasons. If anything, he was granted a great deal of respect, and it continues to be there as we allow him to stay close to the University. So your whiny little comments towards 34 and D@A, is nothing more than your mediocrity accepting attitude and the fact that they have proven you wrong. Now Stans is gone, and you're feeling defeated...WE GET IT. If Stansbury is getting as raw a deal as you seem to think, then he will definitely be coaching at a high level somewhere else soon enough, so you can come and beat your chest about it at that time, right?
If you have the talent to take Kentucky down to the wire in the SEC Tournament Championship game, then you should be in the dance regardless of the outcome. We weren't because we underachieved the rest of that season (just like many other seasons under Stans), and That is why your argument holds no weight.
Stansbury lovers like you are right about one thing....we were guaranteed to be either NIT bound or NCAA bound every year, usually on the bubble either way. The thing you can't get through your head though, is that he was achieving this feat with talent that should have been competing for Sweet 16's, Elite 8's, and Final 4's. He wasn't disrespected because he was here for 14 years as head coach and allowed MANY underachieving seasons. If anything, he was granted a great deal of respect, and it continues to be there as we allow him to stay close to the University. So your whiny little comments towards 34 and D@A, is nothing more than your mediocrity accepting attitude and the fact that they have proven you wrong. Now Stans is gone, and you're feeling defeated...WE GET IT. If Stansbury is getting as raw a deal as you seem to think, then he will definitely be coaching at a high level somewhere else soon enough, so you can come and beat your chest about it at that time, right?
If you have the talent to take Kentucky down to the wire in the SEC Tournament Championship game, then you should be in the dance regardless of the outcome. We weren't because we underachieved the rest of that season (just like many other seasons under Stans), and That is why your argument holds no weight.