And the circus continues...

Coach34

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Does The Recruiter deserve blame? A little but **** like this happens. The problem is though that **** like this is commonplace under him. It's constant turmoil in the basketball program and it gets old. Thats where he is to blame more than the fight.

Nobody needs to be kicked off. suspend them for the Hawaii game and then when they get back to Starkville, they need to spend a couple of 5am's with Coach Matt Balis. Buy Coach Balis dinner for his family, a round of golf, and whatever you need to do, but allow him to make sure they both remember that having a scholarship and playing college basketball is a privelege, not a right. If they refuse, they can turn their **** in. If they do it, its then over and move on.

But its time for The Recruiter to set a tone- it's now or never, and the younger players are watching
 

Coach34

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Does The Recruiter deserve blame? A little but **** like this happens. The problem is though that **** like this is commonplace under him. It's constant turmoil in the basketball program and it gets old. Thats where he is to blame more than the fight.

Nobody needs to be kicked off. suspend them for the Hawaii game and then when they get back to Starkville, they need to spend a couple of 5am's with Coach Matt Balis. Buy Coach Balis dinner for his family, a round of golf, and whatever you need to do, but allow him to make sure they both remember that having a scholarship and playing college basketball is a privelege, not a right. If they refuse, they can turn their **** in. If they do it, its then over and move on.

But its time for The Recruiter to set a tone- it's now or never, and the younger players are watching
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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This is up to Stan to fix. I would suspend them both till SEC play, and as you said, make their punishment something that would stick in their heads. This behavior is completely unacceptable from both players and our program. These things will happen but to have it happen in public, on national television is atrocious.

Things are becoming very serious with this program.
 

Hanmudog

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I would be willing to bet that Taite and Moulds probably came to blows off the field back in the days before Youtube.
 

shoeless joe

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it was the fact that it was on national television. it wasn't some video from a phone, it was on national television. it's a problem that they have no self control and don't care enough about the school or the program to exhibit any self control. and i agree this behavior is rampant under stans and seems to be common for sidney. i am usually not a fan of a knee jerk reaction but in this case i fully believe that sidney, bailey, and stans should be relieved of their association with the university.
 

futaba.79

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here we have a coach with a history of pretty good teams made up of, for the most part, quality kids. For whatever reason, be it bad luck, poor planning and coaching or whatever, these high character teams never get it done in the tournament. So the coach, knowing the fans are growing frustrated with one and dones and two and throughs, starts taking recruiting chances. When you recruit kids with the histories of some of ours, this is what you get. And it's all on the coach.
 

Coach34

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that was one of the things that almost got him fired 2-3 years in...but this time he is clearly overwhelmed
 

basedog

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I'm in agreement about losing control of his team. I'm anxious to see if our AD or Prez play a role over this last incident.
 

weblow

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Sidney got into a fight in practice earlier in the week. It is obvious Stans is not going to gain control of this team and we need a drastic change. I don't care if it flushes the entire season.

I understand this sentiment after the first fight, not after the second, which happened to be televised, in the same week. I am sorry, it is too much ********. The inmates are now running the asylum and we have to get it under control now. I don't believe that Sidney deserves another chance, we have given him plenty.
 

Indndawg

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IF he's gonna keep his job, he's gonna have to quit having a helter skelter type of discipline
 

Ol Blue.sixpack

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futaba said:
"here we have a coach with a history of pretty good teams made up of, for the most part, quality kids. For whatever reason, be it bad luck, poor planning and coaching or whatever, these high character teams never get it done in the tournament. So the coach, knowing the fans are growing frustrated with one and dones and two and throughs, starts taking recruiting chances. When you recruit kids with the histories of some of ours, this is what you get. And it's all on the coach."

Its what you risk when you venture into the high level AAU culture for players. The NBA needs to drop the "play one year rule".Guys like Sidney have no place in the college game.

Not only does Stansbury deserve the blame here. So does Boy Wonder Greg Byrne and anybody else at MSU who signed off on bringing this circus clown in. Just like Templeton should have seen the redflag waving around Sylvester Croom when his alma mater passed him over twice, MSU officials should have seen the multiple red flags waving around Sidney.Nobody would touch this guy with a ten footpole including USC who apparently had an anything goes culture.

Nobody should be surprised its turning out this way.

Having said all of that, if MSU fans expect consistent NCAA runs, expect more of this kind of behavior. Because the AAU stars that end up at places like MSU, almost always seem to come with baggage. As an example, look at Kansas State. They are riding high right now, but that program could unravel at any point.
 

Mr Meoff

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The players are obviously out of control. The inmates are running the asylum. And just as in raising kids, having employees, being in the military, or in most other life situations, that is due to a lack of discipline and - mainly - a lack of respect for the people in charge. I start by looking up the chain of command to immediate supervisors -- in this case, the assistant coaches. On most teams I've played on (mostly other sports, but it applies across the board) there was a clear chain, and there was always a disciplinarian. An enforcer, or a group of enforcers. Good examples are Balis and Hevesy. Does anyone think that if our offensive line coach sees a wide receiver or DB loafing that he would hesitate in ripping that player a new *******? I don't, and that's as it should be.

Part of every assistant's job is to make sure all the players listen to and respect the coaches, and that they are doing what they're supposed to be doing. This can be done in different ways. Some assistants can be friends with the players, be sort of a big brother to them, and get things done that way. But you also need enforcers, especially when there are bad apples in the bunch (read: most of the MSU basketball team.) The enforcers keep players in line and keep **** from happening by yelling, by embarrassing them, by working their asses off in practice, extra lifts, running, early morning workouts... whatever a particular player considers torture.

So, after the assistant has the players' ears (RESPECT), he can stop somebody from goofing off at practice by saying, "HEY Mother17er! Pay attention to your coach, or else..." This shows a clear organizational chart: Head coach >>> assistant coaches >>> players. "That's how it is going to be. You're in the SEC now, I don't care how many dunks you had in high school, you fat, lazy piece of ****." Or something to that effect.

Anyway, the problem with our team (discipline-wise) is we don't have that guy. I think even Kirby, who was friends with most players, would say something to guys who got out of line and we lost even that little bit. Couple all this with having no high-IQ guy to help Rick make good basketball decisions, and you have what we have now - a dumpster fire. We have talent - just very little strategy and zero discipline.

Just to clarify -- I blame this on Rick. **** flows uphill, and it all ends up on him. I have been a Stans supporter for a long time, and I would love nothing more than for him to turn it around, but at this point there is nowhere else to lay blame. He has for years consistently refused to hire a knowledgeable basketball strategy guy, and it looks to me like he refuses to hire anyone with the cajones to be tough on the players (my guess is that's because Rick doesn't want anyone on the staff who might actually stand up to him if they disagree on something). He desperately needs both, but I'm not sure he will ever make those hires. I think he's afraid of not having control, not being The Man. That's why the pattern has been to hire former players who already like and look up to Rick. And notice that the players he hires are the QUIET ones. Marcus Grant, George Brooks, Greg Carter, etc. Absolutely great guys, but not one of them is a genius strategist, and obviously not enforcers. But he knows they won't question him.

Bottom line, Rick has to swallow his ego and hire 1 or 2 big-time assistants, or he has to go. Those are the only two choices I see at this point. I can't believe it, but I may actually have a stronger stance toward getting rid of Rick than Coach this morning.
 

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I was hammered last night and witnessed the fight at a Christmas party. My rage caused me to break rule 18 and call for Sidney's head. Upon waking up this morning, exchanging a few gifts, and curing my hangover with a few bojangle biscuits... I agree with Coach.
 

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kick Riek off the team because he is so damn mad at Sidney. That'll teach the team not to fight anymore..hehehe</p>
 

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......I would not be surprised in the least if Bury kicks Bailey off the team for starting the fight and gives "Sid" a one or two game suspension for "defending" himself.

But Oleblue hit it on the head.

How many fights now for this guy? Augustus last year? The other day? And now this for sure. Trouble just seems to follow some people around....."Sid" is some people and Bury is to blame for gambling the reputation of State basketball on the guy. Also, it is obvious, the other loose collection of idiots that make up this team, don't like the guy.

If I am AD, Bury would be told to get his damn team together today. And hereare the first steps.... 1st "Sid" is told to pack his bags and get the 17 out of town. Bailey is told heis done playing basketball.2nd No more twitter for the remainingdumbasses. 3rd, if his program embarrasses the University's one more time, he is fired.

Everybody wanted to blame the parents of the Delks and Hansbrough for their transfers.If this type of garbage is going on in public. I can not imagine what goes on when nobody is looking with
Bury's teams. Osby knows.
 

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Everybody wanted to blame the parents of the Delks and Hansbrough for their transfers.If this type of garbage is going on in public. I can not imagine what goes on when nobody is looking with
Bury's teams. Osby knows.
The common factor in all the garbage that has gone on in with transfers, suspensions, lack of postseason success, etc. is Stansbury.
 

elsid76

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because as far as I can tell there is nobody who has worked harder and longer to get where he is and also,
to my knowledge, has never been a discipline problem. When one has a good reputation for several years
and one has a crappy history in a few weeks I take a different approach. But that is just me.

Merry Christmas
 

Todd4State

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Like I said earlier today, it appears as if Scott Stricklin might have been the one to suspend Elgin and Renardo. If that is the case, I applaud him for that.

That said, when this team gets back to Starkville, Stricklin needs to sit everyone associated with the basketball program down- players, coaches, on down to the cute girl that hands out info to the press.

If I were him, I would rip all of their *** a knew one with so many Rule 17's that they would think that they are on a ship. Scott probably has better restraint than me.

Regardless, Scott needs to tell them in whatever terms to the players that the next BS that they pull off, even if it's being late for a game, they are gone. No questions asked. From Dee and the superstars on down to Baxter Price. That includes fights, being late for class, and stupid tweets. Either learn how to act like a respectable human being or get the hell out of Starkville.

Scott also needs to rip into Stansbury's *** and tell him that one more incident like this, and he's gone. Even if he wins the Final Four. And I'm not talking about the 17'n NIT Final Four either.

I'd also tell him that if he doesn't trust the strength coach assigned to the basketball team, we will make a change immediately and reassign Akins. I've never been impressed with him anyway and the fact that he 1. doesn't do the football team anymore and they have their own strength coach and 2. the fact that Stansbury is putting players on a 17'n do it yourself home program speaks volumes to me.
 

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football game. now, i am reminded that it is because we have Rick as our coach. i just can't get excited about anything he does anymore. it is really sad. his consistency over the miserable football years and the ups and downs of baseball has kept me hanging on for longer than it should have.

kick the two of them off of the team and send rick back to Kentucky at the end of the season. i've finally given up on him. damn it.
 

Coach34

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The Recruiter doesn't like for them to lift- which is ridiculous in this day and age
 

mcdawg22

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And let her tell them how much she would love to be watching her son play college athletics. Maybe that would give them some perspective.
 

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How much fn money do I have to give to at least have our squad have on team issue matching gear when we brawl amongst ourselves in the stands at a vacation tournament?

I hate to oversimplify things but the most telling thing I took from the idiots fighting was the fact that one player was in some grey tshirt and one of our so-called "captains" was in his wife beater and mr. T kit. What a crock of ******** our damn head coach doesn't demand we at least wear some of that free **** all of us donors help pay for every year. Jesus Christ at the very least have our players in matching gear while sitting together watching a game. Is it too much to ask for our program to show some damn class? As evidenced by our appearance, attitude, play, and actions it's way too damn hard for our head coach to act like he has any idea what he is doing. I don't give a damn who coaches our team at this point as long it isn't the basketball equivalent of Sly Crooms. This program has gone to complete **** and it's solely Stansburys fault. It's a total embarrassment to our university. I'm sick of seeing this garbage out of our Basketball program and it needs to get fixed. I'm asking Santa for a new basketball coach.

Edit for poor spelling from being pissed
 

Todd4State

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that he doesn't trust him. A competent strength and conditioning coach should be able to work with the head coach and put together a program that they can both live with. The strength coach is under the basketball coach. He is supposed to do what that coach wants, whether he agrees with the coach or not and whether the coach doesn't know what the heck he is talking about or not.


Weights are a part of P90X after all- an optional part, but still a part of it.
 

Coach34

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The Recruiter doesnt want them lifting- he thinks it will mess up their shot. It's not about trust- The Recruiter could have another strength coach if he wanted. He simply doesnt want them lifting
 

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