Dr. Stack was recently President of the AMA. How convenient!
Andy Beshear - Not a fan of Science
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Thanks. I did not know that.
You would think that an article hammering home the weight of the AMA is behind Stack would also tell you that Stack was a recent president of said organization.
When Stack was president 2015-2016, his accomplishment:
- Officially calling gun violence in the United States a public health crisis that requires a comprehensive public health response and solution
Racism is a health crisis. Gun violence is a health crisis. Seems like a theme.
Now that dem governors have shown what powers they have during a public health crisis, it will all be for your own good.
Then I'd really be wasting talent. Besides criticizing from arms length is much easier.
Me too. Lol.
Also, FCPS lost my business in August when forced to pull my dude out so he'dhave in person instruction. I'm good.
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Did he cite the new York times article he used as justification for the rest of his order? The one he got as a daily email news reminder. The one he probably read while sitting on the can.
I read an article that the president of Kentucky Restaurant Federation had some type of conversation with Andy. He asked if Andy could provide info proving the spread was coming from resturaunts and bars. If he could definitively prove that then they had no problem following the orders. If I remember correctly the article stated Andy refused to answer the question or release the data.
Given Andy has stated he won't extend the restaurant hostage situation, he "could" end that now if he wanted to and give them two full weekends to make $$ before Christmas. But that would be too generous and showing compassion....can't be doing that.
I think King Andy should sign an EO mandating that shopping malls share their Covid-proofing secrets with schools.
#science!
#science!
For those interested in the school issue, the below story is pretty infuriating. It describes a meeting held Tuesday between the state education commissioner and some principals’ groups. The comment from the person from the Louisville district really takes the cake - so much for local autonomy.
Hadn’t seen this reported elsewhere, could have missed it though. I am highly pissed after reading it.
https://www.rcnky.com/articles/2020...missioner-unsure-about-return-person-learning
Hadn’t seen this reported elsewhere, could have missed it though. I am highly pissed after reading it.
https://www.rcnky.com/articles/2020...missioner-unsure-about-return-person-learning
That’s my understanding as well. Unless he comes out with another executive order like the last one, or extends the current one as to schools only. If he does, guess we have to hang our hopes on either the Supreme Court case, or changes made by the legislature once they are in session in January.
The four bishops could also meet and just decide they are going to ignore him. I don’t think that’s likely, but it wouldn’t totally surprise me either. He can’t revoke the teaching certificate of every catholic school teacher in the state.
The four bishops could also meet and just decide they are going to ignore him. I don’t think that’s likely, but it wouldn’t totally surprise me either. He can’t revoke the teaching certificate of every catholic school teacher in the state.
Sound like they complied, probably to make sure churches we're just "recommended" during the the holidays, and to wait out the surge until the New Year. I assume they'll force the issue if he tries it again.
I would be shocked if he has the cajones to extend for all schools again, he's already taking a beating even from his typical sunshine pumpers. He'll let private do their thing again and pressure public school districts to follow the zones. Jeff and Fayette won't see the inside of a classroom until 21-22 school year. That'll leave one of the worst educational states in the union with 1.5 school years gone. There's no chance covid has an effect on our state that will be even 1% of the damage that will or already has caused.
Attacking those 2 professors was a really bad decision, seemingly turned a large liberal group against him.
I would be shocked if he has the cajones to extend for all schools again, he's already taking a beating even from his typical sunshine pumpers. He'll let private do their thing again and pressure public school districts to follow the zones. Jeff and Fayette won't see the inside of a classroom until 21-22 school year. That'll leave one of the worst educational states in the union with 1.5 school years gone. There's no chance covid has an effect on our state that will be even 1% of the damage that will or already has caused.
Attacking those 2 professors was a really bad decision, seemingly turned a large liberal group against him.
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“Without Andy’s mandate we felt uncomfortable community pressure to meet in person.”
“We are not going to ever open up, especially during the first week of January. Just pick a date in the spring so they will shut up about it. Maybe when the 100 day mask mandate expires!”
“I just think the first day of spring is the perfect day to reopen schools.
Spring. Rejuvenation. Rebirth. Everything's blooming. All that crap.”
I'm hearing that Andy is redefining his color-coded criteria for school openings/closures and it will be less "strict." We'll see, but a some folks here are becoming a little more optimistic about returning in January. And if not then, I believe it will be some point fairly soon into the Spring semester. TIFWIW
I've always thought returning around March was always going to be the endgame. Boards of education throughout the Commonwealth were saying in July that they knew the Thanksgiving to February stretch was going to be fraught with problems because that's when COVID numbers would surge. Schools could adjust their calendars for a mid-March spring break or something and then you'd get 10 weeks of in-person potentially to end the year.
You say "fraught with problems"
The only issues in schools are too many teachers getting the virus away from school or having to quarantine because of activities away from schools. There are no examples or evidence of mass spread in school. In fact, it's well established that there is less spread in school than in the rest of society.
Christian County tracks the # of students who are covid positive. Since school was dismissed 3 weeks ago, we have 25% more covid cases with students than when they were in school. Many predicted this would happen. dismissing school spreads covid more than having school does.
So many problems but 41 of the 50 states and every developed country in the World managing to have them open.
There's only 1 problem.
There's only 1 problem.
That was what I heard at more than one board of education meeting over the summer. It's not my argument, it was theirs. The idea that we WERE NOT going to have shutdowns of some sort was foolish and should've been expected. To plan with the idea that wasn't going to happen was a fool's errand.
If the state keeps averaging 3-4k cases a day and the metrics don't change, a lot of counties won't be able to open through January anyway.
I'm still not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that because of the stupid and arbitrary "color system" they can't go back or that they "shouldn't" go back even if allowed to.
The reality is this....
Schools are the safest place for kids. It's been stated over and over and over by scientists. The rest of the world ahs gone back to school and only closes when there are so many teachers quarantined because of being exposed outside the school building. The school teachers (not all of them) arguing against in person learning act as if a school is the only place a kid or they can get the virus. So silly.
There isn't really a debate at this point. Those who want to close schools are ignoring science and data. The only reason a school should be closed at this point is if there is a shortage of teachers. We already know enough to know that the protocols put in place to prevent the spread in a school setting are enough to keep spread from happening in a school. And frankly, should be an example for the rest of society of what can be done if we simply mask up, wash our hands and keep our distance. We can have sports, we can go to a restaurant etc...
Okay, let me try again. If we keep the color system we have right now, there are still going to be tons of red counties in January and February so schools won't be open. Local decision makers may get power via the General Assembly in January but I can tell you they are going to defer to local health departments, many of whom have been more on the closure side or following the metrics put out by the Beshear administration.
Your second conclusion about teachers having to quarantine for exposure outside the building is just dead wrong, at least if you are going to treat it as the only reason schools have had to shut down. (Note in your post above about "The only issues in schools are too many teachers getting the virus away from school or having to quarantine because of activities away from schools.") In my area teachers have had to do that because of students testing positive that are part of their classes. There have been some having to do it because of exposure out of the building, but that's not always true. Otherwise you are moving into some weird advocacy where somehow COVID just doesn't exist in a school building.
I'm fine with returning in person BUT I do believe if that's the case then there needs to be no choice on the table. All students go back. No more virtual anything because that's making teachers work two jobs in their classrooms. I'd be all for a tax hike to get some nice high tech into classrooms to stream but the teachers I talk to are exhausted from a hybrid model of having to teach two classes in one.
As a side note its funny how the KEA is this weird boogeyman. The KEA isn't even a legit union because it can't strike. It has practically no collective bargaining power.
Your second conclusion about teachers having to quarantine for exposure outside the building is just dead wrong, at least if you are going to treat it as the only reason schools have had to shut down. (Note in your post above about "The only issues in schools are too many teachers getting the virus away from school or having to quarantine because of activities away from schools.") In my area teachers have had to do that because of students testing positive that are part of their classes. There have been some having to do it because of exposure out of the building, but that's not always true. Otherwise you are moving into some weird advocacy where somehow COVID just doesn't exist in a school building.
I'm fine with returning in person BUT I do believe if that's the case then there needs to be no choice on the table. All students go back. No more virtual anything because that's making teachers work two jobs in their classrooms. I'd be all for a tax hike to get some nice high tech into classrooms to stream but the teachers I talk to are exhausted from a hybrid model of having to teach two classes in one.
As a side note its funny how the KEA is this weird boogeyman. The KEA isn't even a legit union because it can't strike. It has practically no collective bargaining power.
Believe we saw it wield it's power just last year.
The idea would be to get at risk teachers or retired teachers to stick with the 10% of students that opt out. Not require teachers to do double time. Granted I haven't seen that officially, you may know more than me.
IDGAF, just get kids back in school. It's criminal at this point.
The idea would be to get at risk teachers or retired teachers to stick with the 10% of students that opt out. Not require teachers to do double time. Granted I haven't seen that officially, you may know more than me.
IDGAF, just get kids back in school. It's criminal at this point.
Local pressure keeps ramping up. That's basically 3 back to school op-eds just today in LHL. These are the two guys that AB **** on last week.
Nope, but they can get their members to all call in sick at the same time when there is a spineless AG in office.
KEA is responsible for Governor Beshear. He used their battle with Bevin to torpedo modernized retirement plans that would actually remain solvent. Then they returned the favor by getting him through the democratic primary, over much better candidates. Bevin was going to lose to whoever got that far.
No way a tax increase is needed for schools. There are millions still not spent from months ago as part of the CARES act that was marked for schools. They have all the money they need. I’ll have to find it but there is a website that’s shows how much money has been used of the federal money that was given to the state. Money isn’t the problem. Problem is a lack of desire to open schools and poor leadership.
Ok, i remember you.
I've proven you wrong over and over. I'll do it again.
I'm very close to school administrators in several counties. Several points.
A. If teachers follow the protocols given to them they should rarely, if ever, be considered a close contact in school. The local health departments are allowing the schools to decide who the "close contacts" are for the purpose of quarantining. Several teachers have been disciplined in a district because they refuse to stop having lunch with other teachers. A group of 4 had to be quarantined because they refused to follow this rule. 90% of the teachers are doing great though. And 90% want to be in school. They know how awful the virtual stuff is.
B. The administrators I know tell me that 80-90% of the quarantines and infections are due to outside exposure. This is supported by the science as well. Some spread does happen in schools, but it's less than society as a whole. This isn't debatable. If you do, you're denying science.
C. Most school districts would ignore the color coded map. In fact, most were before andy dandy shut schools down again.
D. Everybody is having to work more at this point. I am, the guy at kroger is etc... Teachers are not different. I believe those who live with at risk parents or grand parents should have the option to stay home. They might actually be following protocols outside of school.
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Andrew Cuomo is the greatest mass murderer in US history. He's up to, what, 11k deaths?
The only reason Andy has expiration of 12/31 on anything is because he knows his a$$ is grass come Jan. He wants to avoid the political humiliation of being put in time out. Instead he will just let it expire.
And they can get their minions to strong arm teachers and their family into voting for the him for governor
Found the website to show how much Covid relief money has been spent thus far for our school systems:
looks like $397,912,341 was awarded to KY and they have spent $160,222,172.90. This is why I say money is not the issue. They have all the resources they need. They just have no desire to be back in school.
What on earth did they spend that kind of money on? I shudder to think about how they'll waste the rest of it.
So just to be clear for, say, JCPS.....they got an *** ton of Covid money, none of their regular income stream was disrupted, and they are saving an *** ton on expenses such as busing and utilities this year. So they should be *really* cash flush? Yes?
Refund for the taxpayers? Take a rain check on the tax hike they rammed through?
Odds this money made/makes its way to the teachers retirement fund?