Today was 2,002 dead, yesterday was 1,971 dead. The rolling 7 day average was 700 three weeks ago. The WH already stated to brace for increased death numbers in the coming weeks.
I think taking a break was the problem.
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Today was 2,002 dead, yesterday was 1,971 dead. The rolling 7 day average was 700 three weeks ago. The WH already stated to brace for increased death numbers in the coming weeks.
I think taking a break was the problem.
Yeah. That's what I said. Our compliance is the same as Europes. They've been back in school since August. Other than hypotheticals, do you have anything? Assuming no, as you desperately search for data that's not there.
I've already said the data collected so far shows that schools are at a much lower risk of causing an outbreak, and in most places K-8 should be open but that school districts should take precautions in places of widespread outbreaks, including shutting down in-person instruction due to lack of adequate staff. These are the same suggestions as WHO, Euro countries, medical associations, etc communicated. I haven't posted data to the contrary.
What hypotheticals have I given?
Super spreader events... Like blm protest and riots? Why aren't those events knocked by experts but church, school, family events and regular medical procedures are? Look at Swedens #s. If we lock down again this economy is going to tank and it'll take a decade to recover... or more. The single mindedness that people look at covid is just amazing. I wonder what some of you guys do for a living where you think you will just keep getting paid if everyone stays home and doesn't do anything. A whole lot of businesses sucked it up and fought to stay in business through the first shutdown. Most won't try or be able to go through another.
Is there any evidence from contract tracers that restaurants are the main culprit? Or are we just picking things?
Anyway, the science is out there on schools. Of course we know unions want no part of working. My favorite is ive seen some teachers complain that Devos gave them no instruction on how to open. Lol. I dont care if its her or a D person in that position. Educators are admitting they as a large group, on the ground, are incapable of functioning unless one beaurocrat gives them precise orders.
I'm just glad the gym is still open, or I would riot. Which of course is safe as we've seen or been told all year.
Anyway, the science is out there on schools. Of course we know unions want no part of working. My favorite is ive seen some teachers complain that Devos gave them no instruction on how to open. Lol. I dont care if its her or a D person in that position. Educators are admitting they as a large group, on the ground, are incapable of functioning unless one beaurocrat gives them precise orders.
I'm just glad the gym is still open, or I would riot. Which of course is safe as we've seen or been told all year.
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The governor did not close because there are inadequate staff. The local districts know when this is happening and can and have adjusted when needed. He closed them claiming it would
Slow the spread. The extensive Data does not it support this move. It’s the most researched setting since the start of the pandemic. You are wrong
there are a few studies showing that restaurants, events, etc... are the main culprits for non household spread. But they aren’t nearly as well funded or broad as the countless studies that show schools are not accelerating the spread
Your entire original post.
We may reach 2k rolling for a short period in a few weeks. Hopefully we're rolling over the to now, like Europe started about 10 days ago.
A lot of things going on here.
- Masks and social distancing were prevalent and strongly encouraged with most BLM gatherings. I don't believe a protest or a gathering supporting BLM has caused an outbreak, but could be wrong. The superspreader events have been gatherings in which attendees let their guard down, and remove their masks, specifically indoors.
- Sweden's #'s are awful right now and are implementing lockdown measures
- A pandemic will cause an economic retraction with or without lockdowns. Suffering an additional 1-2 million deaths, which is the estimate without restrictions given transmission and fatality rates, would take billions out of the economy.
- My family has suffered financially because of this. I want it over.
Sweden’s 7 day avg reported deaths is 12. They look to be over the case hump already. Their restrictions are purely political, as they booted their health expert to the sideline...he was still in favor of the same strategy and first go around just 5 days ago.
What are the hypotheticals in my original post? I am relaying what studies have reported and recommended.
The predictive models used by the CDC show us averaging ~ 2,000 deaths per day in the first two weeks of December. I hope that's not the case. And like I mentioned we had 2,002 today, 1,971 yesterday, with new cases increasing dramatically over the last two weeks. I hope that's a peak, as do many states that are enacting additional lockdown measures and new mask mandates.
Per the article below their death rate per capita is now 10x Norway, 5x Denmark, and cases are jumping 50 % per week.
They've implemented strict lockdown measures starting this and next week.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world...-19-cases-soar-and-herd-immunity-hopes-falter
Hilarious how folks continue to ignore the Data on schools. But look, Sweden!
So you’re telling me the numbers are potentially already dropping prior to the stricter measurements due to go into effect on November 24 and those stricter measurements don’t apply to school, business or private gatherings????
Any disputing of the 7 day average death number being extremely low?
Nope, I'm saying that Sweden is putting in strict measures because of an alarming increase in cases and deaths, Someone else said 'LOOK AT SWEDEN'. I have.
And no, the numbers are not dropping prior to stricter measures. Not sure where you're getting that. There first restrictions rolled out a month ago.
“Over recent weeks, the recommendations have been sharpened and strong measures have been taken. Despite this, behaviour has not yet changed enough to turn the direction of the development,” she said.
Once again, not arguing for school closures, at least K-8, in places of low or steady rates.
Compared to the US, yep, extremely low. But compared to neighboring countries with measures in place well before Sweden the numbers are frighteningly high, which is why the government decided to act.
“Do not go to the gym, do not go to the library, do not have dinner parties, do not have parties. Just cancel it.”
What were the first restrictions? They’ve always preached distancing when possible - but I’d like to know what those first restrictions were....
It seems to me the cases are falling - Worldometers is where you can get that. Nov 13, 7 day avg cases 4,685 - Nov 19, 3,258....7 day avg deaths - 24 on Nov 11, 11 on Nov 19...only time will tell but....guess we can check back in on the 24th, final case number before new restrictions.
8 more daily deaths than Denmark, 9 more than Norway, 10 more than Finland. About double the population of all.
Im just curious how far you go to stop covid? Would you burn the entire world economy and let suicide, drug overdose, cancer, heart disease... etc etc keep increasing to try to keep a disease with 99.6% survival rate from continuing to kill people who are largely in their last year of life anyway?
Are you also taking into acct how different countries count covid deaths? You do realize that the US counts everyone who test positive as a covid death and some only list it if its the primary cause.
Exactly. 9 months of evidence from various nations and states. This closure is nothing to do with safety.
Andy admitted yesterday he had no evidence. Today he admitted they don't even contact trace for any school or business related transmissions. My link to the story is a few pages back. So no clue what 900+ contact tracers were doing all this time. I guess tracking every case in churches.
Imo icu shows we already peaked or near it.
As you know you can't trust cases because they aren't positive patients and the lag is too great. Deaths are tough too because we never know dates. Now hospitalization won't work because they changed the definition and now require at least 3 days in for remdesivir.
It's sad and funny to see people already claim restrictions working when they haven't even started. So many are just completely unable to exhibit critical thinking. Others choose their team/outcome then choose the facts they like. Watching and listening to people discuss this virus tells me we're doomed as a nation.
Our World in Data, which comes directly from the European CDC, deaths in Sweden are shown by date of death, while deaths in other countries are shown by date of report.
So they backlog their reporting.
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The dims used Covid politically and did not care about the repercussions. The nation be damned.
Wow, just wow. In bold is why people can't take your post seriously. It is a liberal talking point that has just been ridiculous the whole way.
Weird how there aren't these articles/studies on riots but plenty on Trump rallies or Sturgis.
You won't find super spreaders if you don't even look for them.
But it does make sense covid is woke and thinks Jacob Blake is a hero worthy of taking action.
Ffs.
You won't find super spreaders if you don't even look for them.
But it does make sense covid is woke and thinks Jacob Blake is a hero worthy of taking action.
Ffs.
The data from World in Data matches the data from Worldometers. Date of death reporting is more beneficial when looking at your outbreak curve.
Forbes has an article stating that 1 in every 1000 people in South Dakota that have tested positive have died. It’s also the place that CNN has continued to call the per capita epicenter of the world. If both are true the restrictions are as absurd as the furthest right winger on here says. There is no way to justify the economic damage at this point. We got a handle on it. Proceed in a smart manner until the vaccines are available to everyone and cut out the fear porn. And this comes from someone that according to most of the folks on here consider a libtard. They can all still bite me but facts is facts.
I read a few of the posts and all I can say is I feel sorry for folks living in Kentucky. It must be a miserable life. You can do better.
We are trying to find a turkey big enough to feed everybody coming over and you can only have so many in your house. Let that sink in. What country are you living in.
We are trying to find a turkey big enough to feed everybody coming over and you can only have so many in your house. Let that sink in. What country are you living in.
Indiana 35th worst mortality rate in the world. Makes a sexy headline. Spoiler alert: It’s six out of every million people. Indy 35th
I'm digging the new chroix.
Same chroix my man. We’ve just figured out way too much to continue to act like we’re at the first steps here.
6 deaths per million is fvcking amazing.
For comparison, heart disease claims 660k per year for about a 2k per million average.
For comparison, heart disease claims 660k per year for about a 2k per million average.
