Yo man. You and GG definitely have done a good job presenting the info. They locked me out of the coronavirus thread but I’ve continued to follow and appreciate you all doing what you’ve done. I wanted to be sure to let you all know it is appreciated.
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Yo man. You and GG definitely have done a good job presenting the info. They locked me out of the coronavirus thread but I’ve continued to follow and appreciate you all doing what you’ve done. I wanted to be sure to let you all know it is appreciated.
Who locked you out? WTF? @Jeff Drummond put chroix back in the BigSexyCatFan thread.
I'm about done over here. Was supposed to only be posting in 1 covid thread.
I'm about done over here. Was supposed to only be posting in 1 covid thread.
Locked out - wth? It’s been tame over there the whole time!
There isn’t a whole lot of objectivism in this post. A whole lot of blaming Democrats and unions. I don’t see any statistics here.
And there are some pretty blatant differences between teaching and “other” professions. By nature, classes are mass gatherings of humans in a single room, many with substandard airflow. This already jeopardizes standard pandemic procedure.
Another point ignored is that holidays gather cross sections of society indoors in a time of peak infection. There is no study that can predict the aftermath of this when students return. All we have is intuition.
Finally, the overwhelming majority of teachers I talk to (and by overwhelming I mean ALL of them) hate teaching from home. They say it’s harder to teach from home, students go MIA and it’s generally high stress. You make a lot of glaring generalizations that don’t pass the smell test.
What you can do is cite generalized studies from a rather limited dataset (which is even more limited when you consider time in peak infection), and studies do suggest rather small fluctuations as a result of school, but to not acknowledge the limitations of data and understanding is a bit naive.
They also only have 3.8% unemployment....and the hottest governor in the country (irrelevant to the discussion but not to me)
Quarantine baby. Congrats. We have a 3 week old, not a quarantine.
Speaking of hospital overruns, the maternity ward told us they've been prepping for 20%+ increase due to pandemic babies.
LOL...I got banned over there a couple of months ago because one particular liberal mod didn't appreciate my critique of Andy.
First point...you are going to shut down based on intuition? This isn't a parent telling their kid it might not be a good idea to go to that party tonight because of such and such. If intuition is driving your thought process and decision making in regards to schools being open, then please give up the lottery numbers as well.
Of course it is hard to teach from home...that was never the argument. However, the smell test reaks of teachers unions that want no part of going back to class at this stage, especially here in KY.
That isn't the case. If you have any friends or family members that are teachers in the state you can ask them about whats going on in their respective districts. The teachers across the state have just been doing whats mandated for the most part. I have a buddy who is a math teacher at Pulaski County and since school opened up they've essentially been working 2 jobs. Most have been fine with it but right now you can't force people to send their kids to school. I'm not sure why but he has had to teach in class for the few that have come in while also uploading lessons and videos for the ones who aren't coming in. Either they force all of the kids to come in (they can't do that and won't do that) or kids all stay at home but in turn kids are starting to see their grades drop and most high school students struggle with some mental health issue and this only amplifies it. There really isn't an easy answer here. I feel for all of the public officials across the country who have to make these decisions. It isn't right but whatever happens will be blamed on the decision makers just as what happened across the country was blamed on the president. I don't think there is a right answer no matter what they decide to do.
What I will say is I really want to see this Kentucky basketball team and if the cases continue to spike I'm not sure we will get to see that so I am for whatever gets us into basketball season.....may not be the most important thing but I think it will help a lot of us on this board get through all of this.
I won’t give up another semester of my kids social and educational growth so I can watch Cal **** down his leg in the elite eight
It is most certainly the case. I didn't reference teachers....I referenced the union. And here is their statement when the new policy came out: The Kentucky Education Association (KEA) praised Gov. Beshear’s decision to close all public and private schools starting Nov. 23, calling it “a step that will save lives.”
Cal will be fine. Its been awhile since I've felt this good about a team. Truthfully I didn't like the last 2-3 teams.
On paper should be our best squad since Fox Monk Bam and I feel like we have much more quality depth this year.
I don't think it has anything to do with them not wanting to go back to class was my point. I believe they just want the ability to teach all of the students together and they also want the students together but prior to the cases spiking I believe a good portion of teachers across the state outside of Fayette and Jefferson County wanted kids to come back to school but parents weren't letting their kids go back and I believe some of that was due to the fact that places were allowing parents to work from home if their kids were at home.
Agreed but who knows. I'm sure knowing our luck they will come out bricking every jumper again and lose to Morehead.
The thing about sending kids home that have been in class until now is, they're just going to either learning pods or Grandparents. And everyone knows this. The decision in no way eliminates exposure, it increases contacts. Now you're going to have a whole new set of kids intermingling with each other and then returning to class after all that exposure, hopefully in mid December.
If you haven't seen what schools are doing for safety, go do some research. It's by far more controlled than some neighborhood pod in a small cramped house with 8 kids.
If you haven't seen what schools are doing for safety, go do some research. It's by far more controlled than some neighborhood pod in a small cramped house with 8 kids.
I just heard yesterday they wouldn't return until Mid January early February btw just for those wondering. I think the hope is December but I think they don't believe its realistic.
Private won't stay out that long. They're playing nice right now but it's not legal to keep them shut.
I agree December is a long shot.
Private isn’t worried about fighting this yet bc you have Thanksgiving break and then Xmas/New Years break all tied together and it’s not a huge valuable learning time... but they also had months of in person and can feel good about it.
know some sources in multiple private Louisville schools and they were and have done excellent throughout.
know some sources in multiple private Louisville schools and they were and have done excellent throughout.
Whenever KY session is back in January, a lot of folks are going to "quit playin nice".
Even if they're just posturing for political purpose, hearing SOMEBODY publicly challenge Andy and hopefully force him to answer questions will be great for the state.
Even if they're just posturing for political purpose, hearing SOMEBODY publicly challenge Andy and hopefully force him to answer questions will be great for the state.
My little brother and some other family members go to a private school of about 100-150 in Casey County and he has been in school but they did have some positive cases because a teacher had it and it went from her to 5-6 kids in this classroom. Luckily my little nephew didn't get it.
Andy is nothing but a POS party hack.
He couldn't spell "science" if you spotted him the "s-c-i-e-n-c-?".
He couldn't spell "science" if you spotted him the "s-c-i-e-n-c-?".
Calm down man. No need to get worked up. Calling someone you don't know a "POS party hack" is like someone who doesn't know you calling you a "POS baby eating inbred"
Or when ignorant Louisville fans call Benny Snell a "thug" and a "pos human being"
The biggest problem we have right now is people just jumping completely off one edge or the other to the point of no return. Andy may be a terrible person or he could be a legitimate nice guy who has a differing opinion from yours. I'm sure you are a nice guy and I'd think it was stupid if someone just started assuming things about you too.
I think about it this way. Would you call your children a POS if they were a democrat? I'd assume not that would be pretty ridiculous. We can't go around just doing this. My wife is pretty far left......like really far left. I'm a registered republican but I bounce back and forth constantly on different things and the other day she was talking about someone and she basically said something really ridiculous and I told her she can't be like that. She's no better than those on the other side if she starts being super radical. That isn't helping anything its just making everyone look like fools.
Or when ignorant Louisville fans call Benny Snell a "thug" and a "pos human being"
The biggest problem we have right now is people just jumping completely off one edge or the other to the point of no return. Andy may be a terrible person or he could be a legitimate nice guy who has a differing opinion from yours. I'm sure you are a nice guy and I'd think it was stupid if someone just started assuming things about you too.
I think about it this way. Would you call your children a POS if they were a democrat? I'd assume not that would be pretty ridiculous. We can't go around just doing this. My wife is pretty far left......like really far left. I'm a registered republican but I bounce back and forth constantly on different things and the other day she was talking about someone and she basically said something really ridiculous and I told her she can't be like that. She's no better than those on the other side if she starts being super radical. That isn't helping anything its just making everyone look like fools.
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So, if rate of increase declines or reversed as a result of the actions, how many of you will own it? Looking at you @TCPUKChamps
Please show proof that home schoolings increases aggregate of human contact. Since everyone knows this, it should be easy
I am locked out too but I don't give a hoot. We are not shut down here and life goes on. I feel for Kentuckians, you do not deserve this. But you did elect him
So you are willing to tell people what they can do in their own home so you can watch ball. How bout we live our lives. If you're scared.... stay home. If kids want to play sports or go to school... let them. 99.6% survival rate dude. Under age 60 is even higher.
I'll be going to 2 Thanksgivings and not following Andy's rules. I guess the police can give me a ticket for setting in a room with family.
Are you suggesting Kentucky should act more like southern states? Because I don’t think they have been very successful historically
You keep citing studies but you never link them.
You are wrong on both of the points i have italicized. The data does not support what you've said.
Schools were re-opened in the USA after the Labor day holiday and the spread in schools was not shown to be more significant than the rest of society. IN fact, it was less.
Spain actually re-opened their schools in the middle of a surge and they showed a slight drop in the # of cases.
Again, the setting MOST studied during all of this has been schools. Initially the thought was that this would be just like the flu. It would spread nearly uncontrollably at school. But fortunately, some around the world continued to go to school and figured out that it doesn't spread that way at school if you follow protocols. Then as other schools went back during the summer and this fall there was even more data collected that backed up what was found early on. It's overwhelming when compared to the other settings that we've studied.
Again, the evidence used to support closing restaurants exists, but much of it is based on modeling. the data showing schools are safer than society in general is based on actual statistical studies revolving around contact tracing in schools.
I'd say Georgia, Tennessee, North carolina, Florida etc.. are kicking the **** out of us lately in just about every quality of life, economic, educational etc... metric you can imagine.
What studies did I refer to? What’s with you people and just making **** up to fit your argument?
What besides college basketball bourbon and horse racing is Kentucky better at than Tennessee
My kids have been in school in person since the beginning of the school year. Small private school with about 1800 kids (might be a little more than that) K-12 with a couple of pre-k classes as well.
Elementary school - zero cases
MS - 4 kids and 3 teachers tested positive
HS - 6 kids and 4 teachers tested positive
Most of those cases were after fall break or after a weekend break. Meaning they got Covid outside of school grounds.
Zero teacher deaths. Zero hospitalizations. All who tested positive came back to school after their quarantine and are fine (except 1 who just tested positive last week so was still in quarantine).
Zero family members tested positive from any of the kids or teachers who tested positive.
The school put in a new HVAC filtering system, had a stringent Covid policy with masks & spacing, etc...Sure it wasn’t “normal” school. But they were in school in person and doing well.
All of this in Louisville where the city/county has been “in the red” on Covid metrics for 2 months.
So yeah...let’s shut that school down instead of using it as an example of how we can think of ways to get all kids back in school in person.
Kids should be in school.
King Andy is a jackass.
Steven Stack is a jackass.
Elementary school - zero cases
MS - 4 kids and 3 teachers tested positive
HS - 6 kids and 4 teachers tested positive
Most of those cases were after fall break or after a weekend break. Meaning they got Covid outside of school grounds.
Zero teacher deaths. Zero hospitalizations. All who tested positive came back to school after their quarantine and are fine (except 1 who just tested positive last week so was still in quarantine).
Zero family members tested positive from any of the kids or teachers who tested positive.
The school put in a new HVAC filtering system, had a stringent Covid policy with masks & spacing, etc...Sure it wasn’t “normal” school. But they were in school in person and doing well.
All of this in Louisville where the city/county has been “in the red” on Covid metrics for 2 months.
So yeah...let’s shut that school down instead of using it as an example of how we can think of ways to get all kids back in school in person.
Kids should be in school.
King Andy is a jackass.
Steven Stack is a jackass.
I guess we should hope for the success of new York and new Jersey?
Seeing/hearing people talk about this virus is an incredible example of dunning kruger.
Lack of understanding is completely fine. But the inability to concede that lack of understanding combined with the propensity to spread/repeat false info/conclusions is really startling