Andy Beshear - Not a fan of Science
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You looked where Tennessee ranks? "I don't want to rank in the late 40s in things I'm really striving for early 40's"
Considering the states mentioned rank in the top 15 in wealth, education, and healthcare.....yes
That’s Vandy football striving to be on the level of “a Kentucky.”
Considering the states mentioned rank in the top 15 in wealth, education, and healthcare.....yes
Relevant when we're talking about that topic. Not relevant here.
You read that wrong. 1 in 100 positive cases in Dakota died. 1 out of 1000 of the population, with or without COVID, are dying from the virus. It's currently the 3rd highest cause of death in the state behind heart disease and cancer, but it's contagious and can easily be reduced with proven mitigation measures.
“Easily be reduced by proven mitigation measures” is the most laughable thing I’ve seen in the discussion.
SD total CFR of 1.04% and unemployment of 3.6%
KY total CFR of 1.17% and unemployment of 7.4%
SD total CFR of 1.04% and unemployment of 3.6%
KY total CFR of 1.17% and unemployment of 7.4%
This entire region is struggling. I'd only hope we could improve our standing in health, wealth, and education. I don't strive to be another **** hole state like Tennessee.
Because it's so easy?
Mask use reduces the chance of transmission, washing hands and using hand sanitizer reduces the chance of transmission, social distancing reduces the chance of transmission, limitations on certain gatherings reduces the chance of transmission.
Because it’s so ridiculous.
You have 85-90% mask wearing compliance in the US. You have 95%+ in some European countries. Social distancing has been standard for all these countries over 8 months. Limitations on gatherings is almost universal.
And 600k cases a day worldwide......proven and easy/evident reduction is laughable.
SD unemployment rate was ~ 3% going pre-COVID. They had the 4th lowest unemployment rate of any state going into this pandemic (KY #37), mostly due to an industry in which the supply side was unaffected with shutdowns/mitigation measures.
KY unemployment rate in Sep20 was 5.6% and continues to have a CFR under the national average (2%).
What's the mask-wearing compliance in SD where current transmission and fatality rates are the highest in the world? It's about 70%.
Yes, these Euro countries do have social distancing and gathering limitations in place, hence their lower case and death rate relative to the Dakotas.
And now in October, SD is tied for 3rd lowest and KY is tied for 38th highest @ 7.4%.
SD was hit heavily in the food production/packing industry with outbreaks...not sure what you’re saying there.
Im not dissing KYs CFR, but SDs is better. Not sure your point in any of that.
WTH have we been doing since March? Good grief?
So no change in unemployment relative to other states given restrictions.
Yep, workers in the SD meat packing industry were heavily impacted because the plants remained open and at near full capacity through most of the pandemic.
no clue what you've been doing. SD has done very little. ND is just now implementing mask requirements and gathering restrictions.
So KYs pre covid unemployment was 4.3% and now 7.4%....SDs was 3, moved to 3.6% and you don’t see a difference? Ok
Most recent monthly update was KY 5.6% to 7.4% in Oct...SD from 4.1% to 3.6% in Oct....one is open, one is shutting down...
In comparison to other states, no there's not a difference. SD is still ~ 3 or 4th lowest in unemployment, while KY is still 37th - 38th. But SD now has one of the highest case and fatality rates in the world.
Right, you were off by a factor of 10 in fatality rates per positive case. In regards to mortality rates out of the population, cancer is ~ 1,300 deaths out of 762,000 people so far in 2020.
No, they don’t. Again, their case fatality rate is lower than Kentucky’s. Both are going through outbreaks...North Dakota looks to have gotten over their peak, SD to shortly follow. KY has more work to do - but close.
Everyone gets a turn - but no, SD doesn’t have a high CFR.
If I get some time, I’ll check out all cause excess mortality vs the 5 year avg for both states and we can compare the totality of deaths with overall response.
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Wasn't talking about case fatality rate, rather case and fatality rates. ND's case rate is higher, ND's fatality rate is higher.
ND's mortality rate from COVID over the last month is now the highest in the world, and they have the highest total cases per population in the world. South Dakota is # 3 and #2 in the same categories.
ND's two highest daily case counts were last week, hence the new restrictions. They've seen a slight decrease since then.
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SD is 14th in the nation in deaths per million population: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
BTW, NY and NJ account for almost 25% of the deaths... nice job Cuomo.
BTW, NY and NJ account for almost 25% of the deaths... nice job Cuomo.
Not going to mention that Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and Ohio are in top 10?
Also, this is an aggregate, not showing showing rolling average. The Dakotas actually started pandemic with very low infection rate, so using chart as evidence of trend will cover up how bad it is there right now.
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KY has 68 excess deaths per week through 45 weeks vs 2014-2019 average (3,060 total excess for 2020 to date)
SD has 11 excess per week through 45 weeks vs 2014-2019 avg (495 total excess in 2020 to date)
Covid isn’t the only piece of the health puzzle. lockdowns, mitigation, economy, education, employment, missed treatments etc.
KY has 68 excess deaths per week through 45 weeks vs 2014-2019 average (3,060 total excess for 2020 to date)
SD has 11 excess per week through 45 weeks vs 2014-2019 avg (495 total excess in 2020 to date)
Covid isn’t the only piece of the health puzzle. lockdowns, mitigation, economy, education, employment, missed treatments etc.
This is about covid. In terms of covid, last I looked tennessee was way ahead of us too when adjusted for population and testing rate. And at much less unemployment.
Without their lunatic mayor in nashville who suppressed contact tracing showing little infection in bars, the state would have one of the better results in the nation.
By contrast per capita kentucky was #1 in covid related unemployment for a long time. Probably still is.
New York and new Jersey are both per capita, amongst the highest death rates in the world. Cuomo recklessly killed tons of nursing home residents. And economically people are fleeing as fast as they can.
So in terms of covid, the south and any conservative leader handled the virus and economic response exponentially better than any lockdown leader.
Um. Kentucky is 41st in country in deaths per 1m. And Kentucky is a lockdown state. We are ahead of every state in the south.
But also, we can’t ignore way of life when looking at these numbers. I mean, you technically could if you want to use them as a bragging contest, but it doesn’t give full context.
For instance, population density has a huge impact on infection. NJ has 2nd highest population density in US by state and NYC population density is #1 by city, being more than 3 times as dense to #2 Los Angeles. It’s fun to blame politicians but NYC lost the geographic lottery in this disaster.
In your last paragraph.
Now I see where you were trying to discredit the extensive and research done on schools.
Surely you agree the studies on the specific cases involving kids and teachers who test positive are more conclusive than the modeling studies done on restaurants.
Yea man you just lost me. It’s like a logical jigsaw. Assert something here, insert straw man here, any assemblage of truth is raped like an actress on a Weinstein casting couch.
You can't use the #'s from early on because all of the southern states were testing SO many more people than we were. We lagged in testing for the first 2.5 months of this thing. Andy bragged about our #'s early on. But we were also the worst testing state in the country for the first two months of the pandemic. We had more deaths and a LOT more cases early on than we thought we did. Tennessee was doing drive through testing all over their state while most of our state couldn't get a test unless you pre-scheduled it and had symptoms. The statistics from the first major wave are incredibly misleading and don't give a full picture.
For example, do you really think NY has only had 600,000 cases?
The rural nature of our state has given us a ton of help. By your logic the WV governor should be praised for doing a fraction of what we did because his death rate is less than ours.
People trying to connect government action/inaction with blame on cases and death don't live in reality.
Just as NYC was always going to be a nightmare scenario, West Virginia and KY were always going to have a much easier time.
I would argue that Andy's condescending tone and lack of communications with other leaders has hurt his ability to convince the public to follow the basic guidelines. For example, instead of closing the most successful organizations and limiting the spread (schools), he should have praised them for the amazing job they've done and encouraged others to follow their lead.
You just hate the truth. Again, the irony is thick. You don't like the science and data. Just admit it. It doesn't fit your narrative.
As has been proven in schools. So let's close the safest place for kids and let them go roam wild in the streets and their communities. Great logic.
I'm locked out as well and I appreciate all the hard work putting together great info.
I got banned as well when I was highly critical of Andy. But you know they are the tolerant left.