Article Anonymous SEC coach calls Mississippi State’s defense ‘legitimately bad’ in criticism of roster - Daniel Hager
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Jokes on him. This D is illegitimate.
Until I see names it's not a coach. It some stupid writer with ties to another SEC team call UK. Gives us name or shut the **** up.
Some pretty profound stuff right here. Up there with football pays the bills. NFS
This is the ultimate line-of scrimmage league. You don’t have that in this league and you’re dead.”
The article says this:
"The Bulldogs have never won less than three games in back-to-back seasons."
I hate to dispute this because it doesn't look good for us, but I was personally watching MSU FB in 1966, 67, and 68, which saw the following results:
1966- won 2 games
1967- won 1 game
1968- won zero games
I’d also argue that the author should’ve used “fewer”
I agree with most of what he said. We were the worst Defense, especially DL, they saw all year and we gotta improve or we are going to stink again. The article does click bait it with the coach claim but it also talks about what could be better on the defense, not exactly in-depth coverage but a slight overview. Quote:
“The defense is legitimately bad,” the coach said. “This is the ultimate line-of scrimmage league, and they were the worst defensive line we saw last season. I think every one of their starters will be portaled, and some of those guys are very good, but even if they take that next step in the offensive system, the defensive front and run game defense have to improve dramatically. You don’t have that in this league and you’re dead.”
I am assuming when he says all their starters will be portal players he means the DL as we do have a couple guys that can play but he also says some of those guys we got are good. Last years defense was really bad but with 30 new guys on defense and a couple here getting healthy or older the talent will be better and better coached the 2nd year in and additions to the staff. I don't think anything was said in that article was wrong.
“The defense is legitimately bad,” the coach said. “This is the ultimate line-of scrimmage league, and they were the worst defensive line we saw last season. I think every one of their starters will be portaled, and some of those guys are very good, but even if they take that next step in the offensive system, the defensive front and run game defense have to improve dramatically. You don’t have that in this league and you’re dead.”
I am assuming when he says all their starters will be portal players he means the DL as we do have a couple guys that can play but he also says some of those guys we got are good. Last years defense was really bad but with 30 new guys on defense and a couple here getting healthy or older the talent will be better and better coached the 2nd year in and additions to the staff. I don't think anything was said in that article was wrong.
You, sir, deserve a medal for enduring what might be the most shitastic, multi-decade long, run of rarely-more-than-mediocre college football in the history of man.
People point to Jackie Sherrill changing things but Bob Tyler was the first I saw making a change since the firing of Ally Mckeen. Sure, he did a little and got in trouble but any idiot that thinks that was something new in college football has no clue what was happening. I mean Tyler was an assistant at Ole Miss and Alabama, where do you think he learned what to do. NCAA set us back almost two decades for doing the same thing just in a lesser way that everyone else was already doing. Screw the NCAA.
Here is Tyler's record and this was not long after those lean years.
1973 4-5-2
1974 9-3
1975 6-4-1 - probation
1976 9-2 but we had to forfeit them all
1977 5-6 probation taking it's toll
Emory Bellard game in a few years later in 1980 and again 9-3 8-4 then Jackie, Mullen and Leach all had some success.
It takes a special coach and team to make **** happen here but it can be done and it's been proven. New stuff happening in NIL - Portal but I still hope we find a way to have some success. Remember we do get SEC TV monies and that matters.
Here is Tyler's record and this was not long after those lean years.
1973 4-5-2
1974 9-3
1975 6-4-1 - probation
1976 9-2 but we had to forfeit them all
1977 5-6 probation taking it's toll
Emory Bellard game in a few years later in 1980 and again 9-3 8-4 then Jackie, Mullen and Leach all had some success.
It takes a special coach and team to make **** happen here but it can be done and it's been proven. New stuff happening in NIL - Portal but I still hope we find a way to have some success. Remember we do get SEC TV monies and that matters.
Hell, I expect 'legitimately bad' is gonna be an improvement over last year.
We might break Top 80 in defense!
We might break Top 80 in defense!
That’s why they make the big bucks. I mean.. after the Florida game last year, if you remember, we pondered and pondered what could be a big issue with this team.
And also.. after Toledo hung fourty friken one on us.. we were considering then that there may.. perhaps… could be.. a small adjustment that needed to be made on the defensive side of the ball.
I'll predict we're a top 60 defense, but because of the schedule, it'll be about top 80.
Is this really good news, or not? A quote from the article,
"Things however seem to be getting better for Lebby’s defense this season, as "it returns four of its five leading tacklers from last season"
Returning four guys from one of if not THE worst defense in my 50+ years of watching Bulldog football, in Shania Twains words "that don't impress me much"
"Things however seem to be getting better for Lebby’s defense this season, as "it returns four of its five leading tacklers from last season"
Returning four guys from one of if not THE worst defense in my 50+ years of watching Bulldog football, in Shania Twains words "that don't impress me much"
Well....I get a medal too. Lived through those years as well. At least I had graduated before Shira was hired. Have to say he was the worst football coach in my lifetime (and, yes, Croom was a tad better than Shira).
The quote seems to be directed towards last year's defense... In which case "legitimately bad" is an understatement. "All time bad" would have been more accurate.
The fact we need to get better on defense is the most obvious statement ever. You don't need to be an SEC coach to see that.
That being the most interesting quote they could get shows they just don't give a crap about us. Complete waste of time.
I didn't mention that several years prior to that three year period, and several years after that we were pretty terrible also.
Unfortunately, I was present at the ultimate Beatdown in our modern history, in the Houston Astrodome in 1969, where the score was 74 to 0.
Problem is, things are so different now, that I'm not sure anything in the past is relevant anymore to what we can do going forward. We've yet to show we can be competitive in a world where it's all pay for play and any player can be offered any unlimited amount of money to go play at whichever school. This is the worst situation we've ever had to deal with because we've always been the 'poorest' school in the SEC but we could essentially still offer every football student athlete anything 'legal' he could get anywhere else in terms of scholarships and stipends. Now we can't since its just an all out bidding ward.
I watched all of those games too. Back in those days we only played either 5 or 6 conference games so we played Memphis State, Tulane, and a bunch of directional schools almost every year. We were absolutely horrible.
I say it's good but only if a lot of these transfers hit especially on the DL. Those 4 or 5 guys that were making plays
And I say it was always an all out bidding war, money being paid to players is not new.
What is new, is the transfer porta. It can be addressed but that is the Universities fault for sticking their collective heads in the sand ignoring the problem. All that has to be done is make them employees and structure transfers either through collective bargaining or contracts.
You're right about Tyler. I was there. He was smarter than Sherrill as well although Sherrill gave us some great victories while he was at his best as well as mailing in some games coaching, especially Arkansas and LSu