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If they say to fire them, they get no more access to the Athletic Department.

P.S. Sunshine Pumpers tell us to not badmouth a coach until he's fired/gone, because it doesn't help the situation. Then, when he's finally gone, we can't badmouth him because "we gotta move on".
 
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When Brad Locke was there, all I ever heard was we need a State fan on that beat. Finally get one, and he's a hack.*
 
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His premise is correct. It is absurd to call for his head at this point. BUT ...........................................

It ain't no ringing endorsement to justify your position by pointing out that we have sucked historically and we sucked just as bad over the prior 8 seasons (7-34 against the west) as during Merlinz tenure (5-21 versus the west). "Hey, y'all need to keep him because he's not worse than Bama-snubbed jackie and he's not worse than crxxms !11!11!"
 
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You're right. I'll try to be more positive

 
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Shmuley said:
His premise is correct. It is absurd to call for his head at this point. BUT ...........................................

It ain't no ringing endorsement to justify your position by pointing out that we have sucked historically and we sucked just as bad over the prior 8 seasons (7-34 against the west) as during Merlinz tenure (5-21 versus the west). "Hey, y'all need to keep him because he's not worse than Bama-snubbed jackie and he's not worse than crxxms !11!11!"
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But his other premise is more persuasive: The minority grows every game. How many more will call for his head this weekend? Against Bama? Against A&M? Against UPig? Against TSUN?

To call the discussion absurd is not looking at the reality of his evidence: a better schedule next year is the reason for keeping an under-performing coach and "not-downgrading the program" is equal to not-upgrading the program.

Bottom line: Mullen inherited a truck-load of talent and failed to do more than fund raise. Obama 2.0
 
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Hey Lowery, ever heard of Coach McKeen? At least get your facts straight:

"this decade has started out better for the Bulldogs than any since the 1910s"

1940 - 10-0-1
1941 - 8-1-1
1942 - 8-2-0
1944 - 6-2-0

You do the math. Dawgs don't do much but don't make it worse.
 
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How quickly things change and people forget: almost exactly one year ago. The original thread was about how hard it is for a coach to come to MSU and win because of whatever it is that is going on in Miss/Starkville. The link isn't active anymore so I can't be more specific, but what a difference a year makes. It sure would be nice to find that link and see if it was spot on, becasue it's looks eeirily that way right now...

  • 10-24-2012, 08:51 AM
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    patdog

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    That can't be right. Mullen is an average coach at best. He can't recruit. He hasn't even won an SEC West game against anybody other than Mississippi.**

    ** - Did I miss anything from the official Bear party line?​






  • 10-24-2012, 10:35 AM
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    Jughead48

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    This is the official party line only in the Bear fantasy world

    in which you reside. Sure, we have our minority of morons who refuse to admit the obvious - that Mullen is a very good coach and was a great hire. But if that's our party line, then y'all's official party line is that Freeze was a hilariously bad hire and that he is nothing more than a girls' basketball coach who can't possibly turn around our dumpster fire of a program from its inevitable descent into Bolivia.​






  • 10-24-2012, 08:54 AM
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    Shmuley

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    Damn, I'm gonna miss him.​






  • 10-24-2012, 09:03 AM
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    birdawg

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    Why would anyone want a coach that hasn't beaten anybody?

    Aren't these the same ppl that say we're over rated?​






  • 10-24-2012, 09:04 AM
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    jacksonreb

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    it will always be harder to win consistently at ole miss and

    at msu than a lot of other places. simple economics and a small state with two sec teams. assuming we've found our guy in freeze (and i realize the jury is still out) he's not going anywhere if we take care for him properly. will mullen, or anybody else, its just about how much he likes msu and starkville. he's proven you can win there, but is he willing to stay always knowing he's going to have to work harder to maintain than he would at some other places that he could move to. i have no idea, but he's got to be willing to make that committment.​






  • 10-24-2012, 09:43 AM
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    DawgNsuds

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    working hard is not an issue with these guys, it comes with the territory. Changing to another SEC school is not going to lessen the workload. Dan saw first hand, the toll that the Florida job took on Meyer, I think that plays in our favor.​






  • 10-24-2012, 10:13 AM
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    jacksonreb

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    i agree they all have to work hard. the fla example points to my other comment about fan expectations, but respectfully if you think winning at msu and ole miss do not require significantly more effort, creativity and smarts then you're just not paying attention. i'm not saying at all that it can't be done but its simply harder.​






  • 10-24-2012, 10:22 AM
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    engie

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    Originally Posted by jacksonreb
    i agree they all have to work hard. the fla example points to my other comment about fan expectations, but respectfully if you think winning at msu and ole miss do not require significantly more effort, creativity and smarts then you're just not paying attention. i'm not saying at all that it can't be done but its simply harder.



    And that EXACTLY why Mullen will stay in Starkville until he becomes positive that he actually CAN'T get to the top of the mountain at MSU. How long will that take? Certainly, if you believe in recruiting rankings, then the current MSU team is not even close to "topped out" talent wise... It's just the beginning.

    Fact is, Mullen is one win away from being in the national title conversation in November. One win. May be a huge win as a bigtime underdog on the road when the whole country thinks it is impossible, but still just 60 minutes away.​






  • 10-24-2012, 11:09 AM
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    jacksonreb

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    just to be clear. i'm not arguing that mullen will or won't leave. he's proven that msu is no coaching graveyard and you can win there. i'm just saying there is more to it than just whether he thinks he can win it all at msu. but hey i'm not dissing msu or mullen or trying to pick a fight with any of you guys. just making an observation about what i see as a challenge we both face in the sec.



    Originally Posted by engie
    And that EXACTLY why Mullen will stay in Starkville until he becomes positive that he actually CAN'T get to the top of the mountain at MSU. How long will that take? Certainly, if you believe in recruiting rankings, then the current MSU team is not even close to "topped out" talent wise... It's just the beginning.

    Fact is, Mullen is one win away from being in the national title conversation in November. One win. May be a huge win as a bigtime underdog on the road when the whole country thinks it is impossible, but still just 60 minutes away.



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  • 10-24-2012, 11:05 AM
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    DawgNsuds

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    Oh I'm paying attention

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    Originally Posted by jacksonreb
    i agree they all have to work hard. the fla example points to my other comment about fan expectations, but respectfully if you think winning at msu and ole miss do not require significantly more effort, creativity and smarts then you're just not paying attention. i'm not saying at all that it can't be done but its simply harder.



    So you're saying that Dooley's job is easier than Mullen's? After factoring expectations?​






  • 10-24-2012, 11:54 AM
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    johnson86-1

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    It doesn't require more work, it requires more creativity, smarts, and luck.


    Originally Posted by jacksonreb
    i agree they all have to work hard. the fla example points to my other comment about fan expectations, but respectfully if you think winning at msu and ole miss do not require significantly more effort, creativity and smarts then you're just not paying attention. i'm not saying at all that it can't be done but its simply harder.



    You're pretty much going to work to physical exhaustion anywhere in the SEC if you want to compete for the national championship. LSU is probably the one school where with the built-in advantages it has, along with hiring a good staff, the head coach might could coast a little and still compete for a national championship. Everywhere else, even when you have a place with the advantages of UF, other state schools as well as the competition in the SEC pretty much requires all-out effort. To the extent they could coast and eventually get lucky, they wouldn't have the job security to go through several years of being good but not great to wait for the right combination of luck on the recruiting trail, schedule, and injury situation. Point being, I'm not sure outworking anybody is part of the equation for competing for an SEC Championship (and therefore a national championship). It might be part of the equiation for staying above the UK, UM's, Vandy's, and upper tier programs that are slouching.

    But your overall point is valid. If you just care about winning a championship, then you try to get to a UF, LSU, UGA as quickly as possible. But if you want to coach for a long time, know you will have a legacy at your school, not be kicked to the curb because of two down years, etc., MSU offers a lot the other schools can't. MSU actually fits in a decent little niche although I'm not sure how many coaches that are driven enough to be good in the SEC would care about it. We have the resources to win big, even though we traditionally haven't (which I think puts us above Vandy and UK). And we have a fan base that's relatively realistic about expectations (which is something I don't think Arkansas, Auburn, or UM can offer).​






  • 10-24-2012, 05:32 PM
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    RocketDawg

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    I think it's a little more than that. Dan wants ... maybe NEEDS ... to win a championship on his own. I don't think he wants to take over another successful program ... he want's what he's got, MSU, and to build it from the ground up so it is DAN's project and nobody else's.​






  • 10-24-2012, 09:16 AM
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    MetEdDawg

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    It's all about what your definition of win is.

    Is it likely Dan Mullen will win a national title at MSU in the short term? Realistically with how good Bama and LSU are right now, that's a long shot. And that's what most media people talk about when they talk about whether someone can "win" at a school. But can you win 7-10 games every year at MSU and have most fans be happy with that long term? Absolutely.

    If Dan keeps doing what he's been doing for another 6 years, he will be the best coach we've ever had. He's already 5th all time in MSU history in wins in only 3 1/2 seasons. I think Dan is the kind of man that wants to be remembered as special for the rest of his life. He's never going to be that at a powerhouse school because of all the special people that would have come before him. But at MSU, he could be the best ever. He could always be remembered as the face of MSU football during a time when the SEC was at its strongest.

    To me, that is winning, and I hope that's how Dan defines winning. He could stay in Starkville, build a family and a university, and walk away as our school's greatest of all time. And from what I've seen from his demeanor, I've got a feeling that might appeal to him.​






  • 10-24-2012, 09:50 AM
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    jacksonreb

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    one thing i disagree with you on is that fans are fans and

    if you win 7-9 games a year for even a couple of yrs the fans are going to want more. cutcliffe won more for us than anybody since vaught and it wasn't enough. and regardless of what some say, we're no more delusional than any other fanbase. a hc knows that. i also guess i disagree on mullen...if he's the guy, then he's not going to just want to be the hero at msu. he'g going to want to win big. his decision will rest on whether he prefers to take an easier route to winning big or cares enough about msu to try it there.​






  • 10-24-2012, 10:02 AM
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    patdog

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    Agree about the fans. No matter what you do, after a couple of years people are going to start wanting more. Cutcliffe is a good example. Richt at Georgia is another. He's won more often and more consistently than any coach in their history (and against tougher schedules) and they still ***** about him. It's just the nature of the beast. People are never going to be satisfied.

    To be honest, none of us really know Mullen's mind. I doubt he's quite as committed to staying in Starkville as most MSU fans would like to believe and I doubt he's looking to leave anywhere near as bad as most UM fans would like to believe. The impression I get is that he's happy here and would only leave for a handful of the biggest jobs in the country. But really, none of us know. I do know that's he's done a good job at MSU and if he does leave, we'll have a very attractive job to offer to the next coach.​






  • 10-24-2012, 11:26 AM
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    00Dawg

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    Expecting ire after a couple of years is a real stretch for the State fanbase. Yes, we have some yahoos who beat the "demand excellence" drum to death, but we have more that usually keep a good head on their shoulders. As badly as we botched the post-Stansbury hiring, we did give him 14 years, and the last few were filled with what most programs would deem minor successes (whether they were for us we'll find out going forward).
    The comparisons are a little off, but if Mullen manages to win an SEC title in his 6th year, I'm guessing our fan base would also give him 7 or 8 years of lower and mid-tier bowl games afterwards before he was really under pressure.​






  • 10-24-2012, 10:03 AM
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    was21

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    Originally Posted by jacksonreb
    if you win 7-9 games a year for even a couple of yrs the fans are going to want more. cutcliffe won more for us than anybody since vaught and it wasn't enough. and regardless of what some say, we're no more delusional than any other fanbase. a hc knows that. i also guess i disagree on mullen...if he's the guy, then he's not going to just want to be the hero at msu. he'g going to want to win big. his decision will rest on whether he prefers to take an easier route to winning big or cares enough about msu to try it there.



    Maybe it would be a good idea if you didn't get your fan base confused with ours...they're a lot different.


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    • 10-24-2012, 12:53 PM
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      Incognegro

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      I actually agree with him somewhat. The majority of the posters here seem to be relatively levelheaded when it comes to expectations since those same individuals have dealt with some extremely ****** years as being a state fan. But let's be real... right now we already have a very small minority of "fans" that are still (for whatever reason) not convinced that Mullen is the guy.

      One of the key things I've noticed with a lot of these people is that they haven't been MSU fans for that long, so their expectations don't match up with the current majority. There are some of those special cases that have been here for a while and just can't bring themselves to like Dan. At the moment, however, they're completely negligible. But let us get relatively consistent with 8 to 10 win seasons. That minority will start to become vocal.

      And with success, you're practically guaranteed to get newer fans. If those newer fans start to hear the vocal minority, quite a few of them will start to take on that same thought process. Then there may be some fans that have been with MSU for a while even get tired of being on the very edge of greatness and are tired of just only being good. That's just the cycle of fans, and it's very likely here too.​





    • 10-24-2012, 11:17 AM
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      TulsaLawDawg

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      I actually think Dan could win a title here, but you are right... Alabama has to have a down year. But, just see how much change 1-2 years makes (e.g., Auburn and Arkansas).​

      - All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to go to Ole Miss - Edmund Burke (1786)

      About me: I just really hate Arkansas and everything associated with it.
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    • 10-24-2012, 11:39 AM
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      jacksonreb

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      true. prior to saban, lsu had about 12 down yrs and post gene what's his name bama was not invincible. outside pertrino ark isn't all that nor is auburn, etc. when saban quits it will be real interesting to see if the next guy can keep it up. no fun folllowing the legends. but i'm convinced with the right guy you can win almost anywhere. mullen may be your guy. anywhere in the sec is a tough road.


      Originally Posted by TulsaLawDawg
      I actually think Dan could win a title here, but you are right... Alabama has to have a down year. But, just see how much change 1-2 years makes (e.g., Auburn and Arkansas).



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    • 10-24-2012, 09:45 AM
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      Incognegro

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      I like how Dan is the only coach on that list that doesn't have a definitive program on the likely location he'll bolt to. Every other coach has a school the writer predicts they'll go to but Dan. Instead, he just arbitrarily says "Somewhere else in the SEC". He's not going to Auburn, Arkansas, Tennessee and definitely not Kentucky. Florida and Georgia are still good for the foreseeable future. The only school that may take a shot (still not very likely) is Alabama if some freak occurrence happened where Saban wouldn't be their coach any more or he decides to go to Texas.

      His name has come up so often now that I think that these reporters are starting to feel obligated to just say his name now. Across the nation, there aren't too many schools that will have vacancies that would be able to legitimately compete with us to get Dan, and the ones that may open up would feel like they could do better than him. It just doesn't look likely.​





    • 10-24-2012, 10:05 AM
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      Uncle Ruckus

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      i agree completely about the sec part of it. and i've never heard anyone mention it before but sooner or later chip kelly is going to go to the nfl. hell everyone thought he was the coach of the bucs for a short time last year. i don't know anything about their assistants so they could look within, but he would be perfect fit with them and with him and chip kelly knowing each other he could be recommended. that's one school that i don't think anyone right now would or could turn down.​





    • 10-24-2012, 10:16 AM
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      engie

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      People always talking about Mullen leaving for "more attractive destinations" really do not understand Mullen or what makes him "tick" at all. They are just thinking about "what would I do?" Mullen is cocky. He thinks he can be a better coach than everyone else. You can never "prove" that at places like Florida and Texas. You are just the "new guy doing the same job as the old guy" even in winning titles. To some extent, it seems that that idea disgusts him. He does not want to be the next. He wants to be the first. As long as he feels like he can eventually get that done at Mississippi State, he will stay at Mississippi State.

      Mullen has been on top of the mountain as an OC. He made every step with Meyer from Notre Dame, to Bowling Green, to Utah, to Florida. He also saw Florida cannibalize Meyer for one bad season(in which he still won 8 games). His wife saw.him getting cussed and booed for the OM loss in the Swamp, when his appendix had ruptured 3 days earlier, and he checked himself out of the hospital against doctor's orders in order to coach that game. Zero appreciation in those places. His wife(vocally) treasures the appreciation that he gets in Starkville, even after heartbreaking losses..
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    • 10-24-2012, 10:23 AM
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      FISHDAWG

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      Engie ... you have a unique way of putting things in perspective​





    • 10-24-2012, 10:36 AM
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      coach66

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      Good stuff Engie, I am growing tired of hearing about all these better places to

      coach. Exactly what makes them better? The quality of life and people at MSU and
      Starkville is pretty damn good in my opinion. Honestly, is Tuscaloosa that much more attractive? No, and as Engie
      pointed out, you stumble slightly there and your *** is in more misery than you could ever imagine. A smart man understands that having the freedom he wants to run the program the way he sees fit and knowing he has the full
      support of the university and fan base in good times and bad are things that are not easy to duplicate. Consider all that and the fact that you can win at MSU then it is a pretty attractive job to any sensible person.

      Hell, Mullen is making unreal money and has zero cost of living with all his perks. How many 17ing yachts do you need to ski behind?​

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    • 10-24-2012, 07:53 PM
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      Dawgzilla

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      Originally Posted by engie
      People always talking about Mullen leaving for "more attractive destinations" really do not understand Mullen or what makes him "tick" at all. They are just thinking about "what would I do?" Mullen is cocky. He thinks he can be a better coach than everyone else. You can never "prove" that at places like Florida and Texas. You are just the "new guy doing the same job as the old guy" even in winning titles. To some extent, it seems that that idea disgusts him. He does not want to be the next. He wants to be the first. As long as he feels like he can eventually get that done at Mississippi State, he will stay at Mississippi State.

      Mullen has been on top of the mountain as an OC. He made every step with Meyer from Notre Dame, to Bowling Green, to Utah, to Florida. He also saw Florida cannibalize Meyer for one bad season(in which he still won 8 games). His wife saw.him getting cussed and booed for the OM loss in the Swamp, when his appendix had ruptured 3 days earlier, and he checked himself out of the hospital against doctor's orders in order to coach that game. Zero appreciation in those places. His wife(vocally) treasures the appreciation that he gets in Starkville, even after heartbreaking losses..




      I agree with you, but its why I think Tennessee could have a shot at him. While Tennessee is definitely a big program with a lot of tradition, they are on hard times right now. If Mullen built them back up, it would be his team, and he wouldn't just be carrying on the tradition of other coaches. I'm not saying he will bolt for Tennessee, I'm just saying that is the type of program I could see him leaving for​





    • 10-24-2012, 12:16 PM
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      sickasadawg

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      Yeah, it's tougher to win here than being at Alabama or LSU, but no tougher than South Carolina, Arkansas, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, or Tennessee. Lately, it seems as if the press is getting upset with the fact Mullen is staying here.​





    • 10-24-2012, 12:46 PM
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      RougeDawg

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      Or......


      Originally Posted by TulsaLawDawg
      I actually think Dan could win a title here, but you are right... Alabama has to have a down year. (e.g., Auburn and Arkansas).



      Alabama has to play someone from the East, other than cupcakes and they'll slip up and lose 2 SEC games and we can consistently beat one of two between LSU and Bama. We've been extremely close to takin down LSU since Dan has been here and have played Bama close. Just haven't had the depth to compete for 60 min. Throw in the Cam newton factor and you see who we've had to play the past two seasons. Some of the greatest teams in the history of the SEC in the best division of the best conference in the NCAA. Not to mention a conference playing its best combined football as a whole, EVER.​








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You cannot be serious

121Josey said:
Bottom line: Mullen inherited a truck-load of talent
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A 5'9" walkon QB backed up by a 2-star nobody. We had 3 senior running backs and Robert Elliott... so no one to take over after Dixon graduated. The top returning WR had gruesomely broken his leg 10 months earlier. The next best WR was actually our 3rd string RB (Stallworth). The 2008 recruiting class ended up being one of the worst in the history of Mississippi State football (maybe only slightly better than 2004).

Boyd, Cox, Chris Smith, Bumphis, Banks, and Heavens all started games as true freshmen. McPhee, Langston & Berry were JUCO transfers that started. Our kicker & punter were all new transfers.

I fail to see the "truck-load" of talent that he inherited.
 
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Not flaming your post b/c it's always fun to look at past posts and see what's folks were saying but if there is no active link like you say... Did you really copy/paste that thread and save it for a year?
 
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2009 class was the best recruiting class in our history. No matter how you spin it, Croom put that class together in the summer of 2008 following his Liberty Bowl season. Over twenty commits by the end of summer. They all bonded that summer & fall and stuck together to signing day. Mullen added four or five at the end (nobody significant in that class) You can call that a class Mullen put together, but I'm not buying it. Transitional recruiting classes are almost always weak. But that one was the best in our history....thanks to Sly.
 
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Sandman said:
Mullen added four or five at the end (nobody significant in that class) You can call that a class Mullen put together, but I'm not buying it.
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Committed after Mullen was hired: Chad Bumphis, Pernell McPhee, Darius Slay, Ladarius Perkins, Brandon Heavens, Sean Brauchle, Maurice Langston... nobody significant.
 
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This line of thinking will get us nowhere. If we can play for National

Championships in baseball then we can compete at a very high level in football, basketball too. We just have to have the right people in charge of those programs and set the tone like Cohen has done. Let's quit allowing people like this guy to tell us to be happy with mediocrity, I'm tired of that line of thinking and I'm tired of the Starkville bashing and all the other things we continuously hear, mostly from Bears. It's for the most part B.S., if we set a goal then we can get there together. We have got to get unified and stay that way.
 
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kired said:
A 5'9" walkon QB backed up by a 2-star nobody. We had 3 senior running backs and Robert Elliott... so no one to take over after Dixon graduated. The top returning WR had gruesomely broken his leg 10 months earlier. The next best WR was actually our 3rd string RB (Stallworth). The 2008 recruiting class ended up being one of the worst in the history of Mississippi State football (maybe only slightly better than 2004).

Boyd, Cox, Chris Smith, Bumphis, Banks, and Heavens all started games as true freshmen. McPhee, Langston & Berry were JUCO transfers that started. Our kicker & punter were all new transfers.

I fail to see the "truck-load" of talent that he inherited.
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Whoever is responsible for the 2009 class, that's the talent that Mullen inherited. If Mullen was fired or left after the Gator Bowl last year, I'd say that the new coach inherited CJ.

Nevertheless, a new coach should love to inherit the best RB and LT ever at a school.

But you're right. Besides those two players, Mullen was left with nothing to work with in 2009.** If Mullen was redshirting these players for the future, it makes me want to say "whoops!" The ironic thing is that in 2013 he enjoys blowing redshirts.

Projected Graduation Year of Players and Committed Recruits. * = Used Redshirt
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TOTAL98 (26)1428191522(26)
OFFENSE
QB7 (1)<nobr>T. Lee</nobr>
<nobr>A. Encalade</nobr>
<nobr>C. Relf</nobr>
 <nobr>C. Lawrence</nobr>
<nobr>T. Russell</nobr>
<nobr>R. Saunders</nobr>
<nobr>D. Stegall</nobr>
<nobr>D. Favre</nobr>
RB6 (4)<nobr>A. Dixon</nobr>
<nobr>C. Ducre</nobr>
<nobr>A. Stallworth</nobr>
 <nobr>R. Elliott</nobr>
 <nobr>M. Conner</nobr>
<nobr>L. Perkins</nobr>
<nobr>V. Ballard (JC)</nobr>
<nobr>N. Griffin</nobr>
<nobr>J. Hughes</nobr>
<nobr>M. Wells</nobr>
FB3 <nobr>P. Hanrahan</nobr>
 <nobr>S. Hemphill*</nobr>
<nobr>W. Shumpert</nobr>
WR17 (2)<nobr>T. Bowser</nobr>
<nobr>A. Ellard</nobr>
<nobr>B. McRae</nobr>
<nobr>L. Berry</nobr>
<nobr>T. Reed</nobr>
<nobr>K. Roberts</nobr>
<nobr>M. Sosebee</nobr>
<nobr>A. Clark</nobr>
<nobr>C. Bailey*</nobr>
<nobr>O. Wilder*</nobr>
<nobr>C. Bumphis</nobr>
<nobr>R. Elliot</nobr>
<nobr>B. Heavens</nobr>
<nobr>R. Sanders</nobr>
<nobr>C. Smith</nobr>
<nobr>D. Thames</nobr>
<nobr>S. Williams</nobr>
<nobr>M. Johnson</nobr>
<nobr>R. Johnson</nobr>
TE5 <nobr>A. Wilbanks</nobr>
<nobr>B. Henderson</nobr>
<nobr>T. Webb</nobr>
<nobr>K. Cook</nobr>
<nobr>M. Green</nobr>
OL1 <nobr>G. Jackson</nobr>
OT6 (3)<nobr>C. Jenkins</nobr>
<nobr>P. Freeman</nobr>
<nobr>M. Melichar</nobr>
<nobr>D. Sherrod</nobr>
<nobr>D. Merritt</nobr>
<nobr>T. Hardy*</nobr>
 <nobr>B. Clausell</nobr>
<nobr>A. Muniz</nobr>
<nobr>D. Robinson</nobr>
OG6 (2) <nobr>J. McMillan</nobr>
<nobr>A. Lawrence</nobr>
<nobr>D. Looney</nobr>
<nobr>Q. Saulsberry</nobr>
<nobr>S. Latham*</nobr>
<nobr>T. Smith*</nobr>
 <nobr>D. Day</nobr>
<nobr>E. Lawson</nobr>
C3 <nobr>C. Spencer</nobr>
<nobr>J. Brignone</nobr>
 <nobr>S. Watts</nobr>
DEFENSE
DT5 (3)<nobr>K. Love</nobr>
<nobr>R. Odom*</nobr>
<nobr>L. Williams</nobr>
<nobr>J. Jackson</nobr>
 <nobr>J. Boyd</nobr>
<nobr>J. Carmon (JC)</nobr>
<nobr>J. Howie (JC)</nobr>
<nobr>C. Virges</nobr>
DE11 (2)<nobr>C. Burns</nobr>
<nobr>B. Cooper</nobr>
<nobr>P. McPhee</nobr>
<nobr>R. Prince</nobr>
<nobr>S. Ferguson</nobr>
<nobr>N. Bell*</nobr>
<nobr>D. Jones*</nobr>
<nobr>S. McCardell*</nobr>
<nobr>T. Stigers*</nobr>
<nobr>F. Cox</nobr>
<nobr>J. McKenzie</nobr>
<nobr>P. Crawford</nobr>
<nobr>K. Eulls</nobr>
LB2 <nobr>B. Wilson*</nobr>
<nobr>D. Skinner</nobr>
OLB1 (2) <nobr>C. White</nobr>
 <nobr>C. Holmes</nobr>
<nobr>C. Hughes</nobr>
MLB2 (2)<nobr>J. Chaney</nobr>
 <nobr>B. Walters</nobr>
 <nobr>F. Bohanna</nobr>
<nobr>C. Harrison-Gay</nobr>
SLB4 <nobr>K. Brown</nobr>
<nobr>M. Lynn</nobr>
<nobr>K. Wright</nobr>
<nobr>J. Jones</nobr>
WLB2 <nobr>T. Johnson</nobr>
<nobr>M. Hunt*</nobr>
DB3 <nobr>E. Gatling</nobr>
<nobr>R. Gurley</nobr>
<nobr>C. Cameron*</nobr>
S1 (2) <nobr>N. Whitley</nobr>
<nobr>M. Carr</nobr>
<nobr>B. Hill</nobr>
SS2 <nobr>W. Bonner</nobr>
<nobr>C. Mitchell</nobr>
FS1 <nobr>Z. Smith</nobr>
CB5 (3)<nobr>M. Washington</nobr>
<nobr>M. Langston</nobr>
<nobr>D. Anderson</nobr>
<nobr>C. Broomfield*</nobr>
<nobr>L. Watson*</nobr>
 <nobr>J. Lee</nobr>
<nobr>J. Lewis</nobr>
<nobr>J. Love</nobr>
SPECIAL TEAMS
K2 <nobr>S. Brauchle</nobr>
<nobr>D. DePasquale*</nobr>
P2 <nobr>H. Hutchins</nobr>
 <nobr>B. Swedenburg</nobr>
LS1 <nobr>A. Feld</nobr>

<tbody>
</tbody>
 
J

Jacknut1

Redshirt
May 23, 2010
333
0
0
Dan is a victim of his own success

He said he wanted to raise expectations when he got here and he has certainly done that. I have my gripes about Dan, but I'm not ready to can him yet. Too many people ******** about what TSUN is doing and basing their decision on that.
 
thatsbaseball

thatsbaseball

All-American
May 29, 2007
17,860
6,557
113
Coach I know you`ve got good sources and are not telling all but without divulging more than you`re comfortable with...what in the world has happened to Dan Mullen ? Something appears to have happened (in 2012) that made him lose interest in a 2.6mil job if that`s possible. What up in you opinion ?
 
57stratdawg

57stratdawg

Heisman
Dec 1, 2004
148,408
24,182
113
Amen. And I don't think the 75 years of MSU football prior to 1990(ish) has much to do with what our standards today should be. I can't stand to see the "we've had 7 winning seasons in 100 years, blah, blah, blah" talk.

I'm sure plenty will disagree, but I think the advances in our facilities and our budget over the last 10 to 15 years have changed MSU football.
 
coach66

coach66

Junior
Mar 5, 2009
12,691
312
83
It could be a lot of things. Personal off the field issues, burnout,

money, etc. My gut tells me it is possibility #1. If he can turn it around and give me back the fighter and gamer he was his first two years then I am fine with having Dan coach MSU for many years. Something happened the week of the Bama game last year and it has not been resolved. We are human beings and people make mistakes and get into ruts. The key is you have to find a way to rise up and get past it and Dan isn't there yet but I am pulling for him to get there.
 
kired

kired

All-Conference
Aug 22, 2008
7,016
2,326
113
2009 had a lot of talent. But our average recruiting ranking 05-08 was around 35 in the nation & 10th in the SEC. That's the talent that made up ~75% of the depth chart that Mullen inherited.

The problem is that Bama, LSU, and Auburn were having as good or better than MSU-09 classes during that period. One good recruiting class is not going to overcome the gap in talent between us and those schools.

Where Mullen screwed up was having terrible 2010 and 2011 classes. Those were back in the 35 / 10 range. To be competitive in the SEC West our recruiting needs to consistently rank at least 25 in the nation. We've done that the last two years and that's why I think we're setting up to have a more competitive team 2014 / 2015 regardless of who the coach is.
 
thatsbaseball

thatsbaseball

All-American
May 29, 2007
17,860
6,557
113
Thank you. It sure seems like something happened, I hope it doesn`t involve his or his family`s health.
 
dawgstudent

dawgstudent

Heisman
Apr 15, 2003
39,447
18,882
113
We have changed our pecking order nationally. I'm just not sure we have changed our pecking order within the conference. The whole conference has made a shift.
 
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