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A real head scratcher for the global warming alarmists
A real head scratcher for the global warming alarmists
Antarctic Sea Ice extent at its highest in 35 years
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It's safe to say, the Arctic has lost some ice. The Antarctic gained a great deal. Global warming alarmists cannot explain it.
EXCLUSIVE: Ice in the Arctic and Antarctic is 'not melting', says global warming expert
THE North and South Poles are "not melting", according to Dr Benny Peiser a global warming expert.
By LEVI WINCHESTER
PUBLISHED: 07:01, Thu, Dec 25, 2014
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A global warming expert has said the poles are not melting
Dr Peiser, from the Global Warming Policy Foundation says that the poles are "much more stable" than climate scientists once predicted and could even be much thicker than previously thought.
For years, scientists have suggested that both poles are melting at an alarming rate because of warming temperatures - dangerously raising the Earth's sea levels while threatening the homes of Arctic and Antarctic animals.
But the uncertainty surrounding climate change and the polar ice caps reached a new level this month when research suggested the ice in the Antarctic is actually growing.
And there could even be evidence to suggest the polar bear population is not under threat.
Ted Maksym, an oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, conducted a study in which he sent an underwater robot into the depths of the Antarctic sea to measure the ice.
His results contradicted previous assumptions made by scientists and showed that the ice is actually much thicker than has been predicted over the last 20 years.
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Dr Benny Peiser has spoken out about the melting ice caps
Dr Benny Peiser, from the Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF), said this latest research adds further proof to the unpredictability of the supposed effects of global warming.
He said: "The Antarctic is actually growing and all the evidence in the last few months suggests many assumptions about the poles was wrong.
"Global sea ice is at a record high, another key indicator that something is working in the opposite direction of what was predicted."
The Antarctic is actually growing and all the evidence in the last few months suggests many assumptions about the poles was wrong
Dr Benny Peiser
Separate satellite data released this month showed evidence that at the other end of the globe, the ice in the Arctic sea is also holding up against climate change better than expected.
The data from the European Space Agency CryoSat-2 satellite suggests that Arctic sea ice volumes in the autumn of 2014 were above the average set over the last five years, and sharply up on the lows recorded in 2011 and 2012.
According to this research, Arctic sea ice volumes in October and November this year averaged at 10,200 cubic kilometres.
This figure is only slightly down on the 2013 average of 10,900 cubic kilometres, yet massively up on the 2011 low of 4,275 cubic kilometres and the 6,000 cubic kilometres recorded in 2012.
Dr Peiser, who believes the threat of global warming has been overstated by climate scientists, described this occurrence as "some kind of rebound" adding that no-one knows what will continue to happen to the poles.
He added: "Most people think the poles are melting... they're not. This is a huge inconvenience that reality is now catching up with climate alarmists, who were predicting that the poles would be melting fairly soon."
"This depends on whether or not we have further warming to come... and this is not certain.
"We do not know what the climate will be in 10, 20 years."
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The polar bears are 'actually doing very well'
As well as melting ice, scientists have also been concerned about the population of the polar bears is rapidly decreasing.
But a previous report this summer by Dr Susan Crockford, an evolution biologist at the University of Victoria in Canada, suggested that the polars bears are actually a "conservation success story".
She told the GWPF that the current polar bear population is "well above" the official estimate of 20,000 to 25,000, and could be as high as 27,000 to 32,000.
Dr Peiser said: "People said the poles are melting, so therefore the polar bears will become extinct. They are actually doing very well."
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However, other scientists have remained adamant that the poles are melting
However other experts have questioned the accuracy of the latest reports and say it is too early to declare there is no problem with the poles.
Professor Peter Wadhams, a Professor of Ocean Physics at Cambridge University, suggested the research from the Antarctic is based on thick ice which had previously not been sampled by scientists.
He confessed that while the Antarctic sea ice area is increasing, experts do not know how thick the ice really is because they lack the means to measure it.
The reason for this is that "satellites don't work for Antarctic ice thickness because the ice is too wet, while submarines are forbidden to go there", he explained.
He also added that these recent figures on the Arctic "mean little" on their own, and that the trends should be looked at from a wider range.
He explained: "I would say the consensus view of climate scientists is that the trend of area and thickness in Arctic sea ice is very strongly downwards, despite this year's partial recovery.
"It is best to look at five-year running means since annual fluctuations mean little."
EXCLUSIVE: Ice in the Arctic and Antarctic is 'not melting', says global warming expert
THE North and South Poles are "not melting", according to Dr Benny Peiser a global warming expert.
By LEVI WINCHESTER
PUBLISHED: 07:01, Thu, Dec 25, 2014
A global warming expert has said the poles are not melting
Dr Peiser, from the Global Warming Policy Foundation says that the poles are "much more stable" than climate scientists once predicted and could even be much thicker than previously thought.
For years, scientists have suggested that both poles are melting at an alarming rate because of warming temperatures - dangerously raising the Earth's sea levels while threatening the homes of Arctic and Antarctic animals.
But the uncertainty surrounding climate change and the polar ice caps reached a new level this month when research suggested the ice in the Antarctic is actually growing.
And there could even be evidence to suggest the polar bear population is not under threat.
Ted Maksym, an oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, conducted a study in which he sent an underwater robot into the depths of the Antarctic sea to measure the ice.
His results contradicted previous assumptions made by scientists and showed that the ice is actually much thicker than has been predicted over the last 20 years.
Dr Benny Peiser has spoken out about the melting ice caps
Dr Benny Peiser, from the Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF), said this latest research adds further proof to the unpredictability of the supposed effects of global warming.
He said: "The Antarctic is actually growing and all the evidence in the last few months suggests many assumptions about the poles was wrong.
"Global sea ice is at a record high, another key indicator that something is working in the opposite direction of what was predicted."
The Antarctic is actually growing and all the evidence in the last few months suggests many assumptions about the poles was wrong
Dr Benny Peiser
Separate satellite data released this month showed evidence that at the other end of the globe, the ice in the Arctic sea is also holding up against climate change better than expected.
The data from the European Space Agency CryoSat-2 satellite suggests that Arctic sea ice volumes in the autumn of 2014 were above the average set over the last five years, and sharply up on the lows recorded in 2011 and 2012.
According to this research, Arctic sea ice volumes in October and November this year averaged at 10,200 cubic kilometres.
This figure is only slightly down on the 2013 average of 10,900 cubic kilometres, yet massively up on the 2011 low of 4,275 cubic kilometres and the 6,000 cubic kilometres recorded in 2012.
Dr Peiser, who believes the threat of global warming has been overstated by climate scientists, described this occurrence as "some kind of rebound" adding that no-one knows what will continue to happen to the poles.
He added: "Most people think the poles are melting... they're not. This is a huge inconvenience that reality is now catching up with climate alarmists, who were predicting that the poles would be melting fairly soon."
"This depends on whether or not we have further warming to come... and this is not certain.
"We do not know what the climate will be in 10, 20 years."
The polar bears are 'actually doing very well'
As well as melting ice, scientists have also been concerned about the population of the polar bears is rapidly decreasing.
But a previous report this summer by Dr Susan Crockford, an evolution biologist at the University of Victoria in Canada, suggested that the polars bears are actually a "conservation success story".
She told the GWPF that the current polar bear population is "well above" the official estimate of 20,000 to 25,000, and could be as high as 27,000 to 32,000.
Dr Peiser said: "People said the poles are melting, so therefore the polar bears will become extinct. They are actually doing very well."
However, other scientists have remained adamant that the poles are melting
However other experts have questioned the accuracy of the latest reports and say it is too early to declare there is no problem with the poles.
Professor Peter Wadhams, a Professor of Ocean Physics at Cambridge University, suggested the research from the Antarctic is based on thick ice which had previously not been sampled by scientists.
He confessed that while the Antarctic sea ice area is increasing, experts do not know how thick the ice really is because they lack the means to measure it.
The reason for this is that "satellites don't work for Antarctic ice thickness because the ice is too wet, while submarines are forbidden to go there", he explained.
He also added that these recent figures on the Arctic "mean little" on their own, and that the trends should be looked at from a wider range.
He explained: "I would say the consensus view of climate scientists is that the trend of area and thickness in Arctic sea ice is very strongly downwards, despite this year's partial recovery.
"It is best to look at five-year running means since annual fluctuations mean little."
Many people are actively searching daily for the opportunity to "cherry pick" information in an attempt to distort and discredit information on the climate, environment, and temperature measurements. You are a part of that effort. You want science to be what you want it to be. Polar Bears are doing fine? Maybe their increase in population has something to do with it being declared as illegal to hunt them? Even if that isn't acceptable to you, note the many populations that are in significant decline.
The ice isn't melting? It is in the artic, and is not in Antarctica. As climate scientists explain the unpredictability of the climate in general and how that unpredictability increases in climate change conditions, you want to lump both poles together and call it a "wash". One pole decreases, one pole increases......so the ice isn't melting? BS.
The ice isn't melting? It is in the artic, and is not in Antarctica. As climate scientists explain the unpredictability of the climate in general and how that unpredictability increases in climate change conditions, you want to lump both poles together and call it a "wash". One pole decreases, one pole increases......so the ice isn't melting? BS.
Polar bear population larger than previously thought and growing quite nicely.
https://polarbearscience.com/2017/0...on-larger-than-previous-thought-almost-30000/
https://polarbearscience.com/2017/0...on-larger-than-previous-thought-almost-30000/
But the climate alarmists told us both poles would melt. What happened to that prediction? They told us the temps would continue to rise as we put more CO2 in the atmosphere. That has not happened. Their models have ALL been wrong.
The science is NOT SETTLED.
Too bad their populations are increasing.
Polar bears are much more resilient to changing levels of sea ice than environmentalists previously believed, and numerous healthy populations are thriving.
Predictions that bears would die due to a lack of sea ice have continuously not come to pass. A new study by Canadian scientists found “no evidence” polar bears are currently threatened by global warming.
“We see reason for concern, but find no reliable evidence to support the contention that polar bears are currently experiencing a climate crisis,” Canadian scientists wrote in their study, published in Ecology and Evolution.
Polar bears became an icon for environmentalists who claimed that melting Arctic sea ice could kill thousands of bears. Former Vice President Al Gore heavily promoted this viewpoint by featuring polar bears swimming for their lives and drowning in his 2006 film on global warming.
Fears about global warming’s impact on polar bears even spurred the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) to say that the bear was “threatened” under the Endangered Species Act in 2008. Polar bears were the first species to be listed over possibly being harmed in the future by global warming.
Scientists, however, have increasingly been questioning alarmists as there are way more polar bears alive today than 40 years ago.
In fact, polar bears have likely survived past ice-free periods in the Arctic. There is no evidence of large scale marine life extinctions in the Arctic in the past 1.5 million years, despite the Arctic going through prolonged periods with no summer ice cover.
International Polar Bear Day Sees Population Pop 27% Despite 'Warming'
By Craig Bannister | February 27, 2017 | 2:22 PM EST
Conservationists worldwide have cause to celebrate on International Polar Bear Day as the global population of this “endangered” animal is surging.
On International Polar Bear Day 2017, the world’s polar bear population is up 27% from 2005 – despite some environmentalists’ fears of global warming.
The day is intended to raise awareness to the supposed plight of the polar bear:
“Feb. 27 marks International Polar Bear Day, an annual event meant to raise awareness of polar bears and their conservation status. Polar bears are considered a vulnerable species by the International Union for Conservation of Nature.”
Conservationists continue to warn of the polar bear’s doom because their claims are based on “unverifiable predictions,” not proof, ClimateDepot.com Publisher Marc Morano tells CNSNews.com:
“There is a lot to celebrate about polar bears today. The feared ‘global warming’ has failed to harm the species as their numbers continue to increase.
“It's odd that a species whose numbers continue to escalate is still being hyped as being "endangered" based upon unverifiable predictions of the future.
“The greatest threat that polar bears face may only be from the electrons in the hard drives of the scientists predicting polar bear doom decades from now.”
Image Courtesy of Prof. Susan Crockford.
What’s more, the global growth of the polar bear population is even greater than initially thought, Polar Bear Expert Dr. Susan J. Crockford writes:
“This means the adjusted 2015 global estimate for polar bears should be about 28,500 (average), a significant increase over the official estimate of 26,500 (average) for 2015 — and an even larger increase over the 2005 estimate of about 22,500 (average)2, despite the dramatic loss of summer sea ice since 2007 that we hear about endlessly.”
Climate analyst Paul Homewood concurs, explaining that the polar bear apocalypse touted by Global Warmists simply isn’t materializing:
“A growing number of observational studies have documented that polar bears are thriving, despite shrinking summer sea ice.”
“Yet no more drowned polar bears were documented, no more bears than normal starved to death, no unusual spikes in cannibalism occurred, and not a single polar bear population was wiped out.”
So, chill everybody, the polar bears are doing great on this international day in their honor.
By Craig Bannister | February 27, 2017 | 2:22 PM EST
Conservationists worldwide have cause to celebrate on International Polar Bear Day as the global population of this “endangered” animal is surging.
On International Polar Bear Day 2017, the world’s polar bear population is up 27% from 2005 – despite some environmentalists’ fears of global warming.
The day is intended to raise awareness to the supposed plight of the polar bear:
“Feb. 27 marks International Polar Bear Day, an annual event meant to raise awareness of polar bears and their conservation status. Polar bears are considered a vulnerable species by the International Union for Conservation of Nature.”
Conservationists continue to warn of the polar bear’s doom because their claims are based on “unverifiable predictions,” not proof, ClimateDepot.com Publisher Marc Morano tells CNSNews.com:
“There is a lot to celebrate about polar bears today. The feared ‘global warming’ has failed to harm the species as their numbers continue to increase.
“It's odd that a species whose numbers continue to escalate is still being hyped as being "endangered" based upon unverifiable predictions of the future.
“The greatest threat that polar bears face may only be from the electrons in the hard drives of the scientists predicting polar bear doom decades from now.”
Image Courtesy of Prof. Susan Crockford.
What’s more, the global growth of the polar bear population is even greater than initially thought, Polar Bear Expert Dr. Susan J. Crockford writes:
“This means the adjusted 2015 global estimate for polar bears should be about 28,500 (average), a significant increase over the official estimate of 26,500 (average) for 2015 — and an even larger increase over the 2005 estimate of about 22,500 (average)2, despite the dramatic loss of summer sea ice since 2007 that we hear about endlessly.”
Climate analyst Paul Homewood concurs, explaining that the polar bear apocalypse touted by Global Warmists simply isn’t materializing:
“A growing number of observational studies have documented that polar bears are thriving, despite shrinking summer sea ice.”
“Yet no more drowned polar bears were documented, no more bears than normal starved to death, no unusual spikes in cannibalism occurred, and not a single polar bear population was wiped out.”
So, chill everybody, the polar bears are doing great on this international day in their honor.
LOL. First they claim both poles will suffer catastrophic melting which is not happening. Just as they falsely claimed a dramatic increase in violent storms, flooding, droughts, hurricanes, etc. They were wrong, and their models were ALL WRONG.
When a scientist calls someone a denier, they are the partisan one. Science is all about skepticism, not dogma.
You are FOS. And you fill up everyday don't you? Daily Caller....Breitbart.....whatever conservative circle jerk you can attend
Boom, very naughty for an understanding, sympathetic, empathetic liberal. I post factual articles that dispute your world view and you can't take it. Let me repeat, ALL THE MODELS HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG.
Don't get mad because he just smacked you around with your own examples.
I think it's funny that PATX's position is one of skepticism with legitimate reasoning and you all can't even acknowledge a need for skepticism. You all criticize him and label him as a denier, yet he just posts alleging the need for caution in acceptance of facts based on inaccurate modeling. Being in the middle on this one is fun to watch as those who believe in the need for massive climate initiatives move goal posts to suit arguments on weekly basis.
To make an analogy, there is way evidence in a cause for skepticism than there is of collusion with the elections.
Way to join the circle jerk! If you really read the articles I posted, they are legitimate counters to every post Paxx made in this thread. The models have NOT all been wrong, and some have been very accurate.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...redicted-global-warming-almost-perfectly/amp/
Your argument is that there is more evidence to be skeptical of something that evidence has proven is happening? More evidence for skepticism would mean that there is almost no evidence for climate change, but it just isn't true.
Here's a link to the Skeptics Society. Take a look and see if you fit in. Maybe subscribe to their magazine or their weekly e-mail newsletter.
http://www.skeptic.com/
Just out of curiosity, what other branches of science (aside from those involving climate change and evolution) do you reject?
I reject the notion that global warming is a settled science. In my opinion, there is no such thing as settled science.
And who in the heck brought up evolution? I can't remember the last time I posted on it and certainly don't deny that microevolution exists. More importantly, even if macro evolution exist, it does not disprove the existence of God even though I'm sure you hope that it does.
If you can't remember the last time you posted on evolution then you're suffering from short term memory loss because it was only a week or two at most that you posted a lot on it.
Of course there's no such thing as "settled science" in the sense that something is absolutely unquestionable and any scientist will tell you that and it's also one reason why science is so powerful, namely there is no dogma that cannot be questioned. But that said, the current scientific consensus is that human caused global warming is happening. And of course the current scientific consensus is that evolution is true too.
So by rejecting those two you're reject the current state of climate science and biology and palentology and genetics and probably some others. But I'm just curious what branches of science other than those you reject too. Maybe those are the only ones.
Would you please show me the consensus on how much of the modest warming we have had since 1850 is caused by man. Do you know the climate models used to predict global warming have all been wrong. Further we know that we have had approximately a 20 year hiatus in earth warming which went unpredicted by these models. Further, we know that many predictions made by these climate scientist have been wrong. You seem willing to wager trillions of dollars and harm to the US economy based on what we know today. I am simply not willing to do so.
Please show me my post on evolution that I've made over the past couple of weeks. My point on evolution has always been clear. Atheist like you believe that if you prove evolution, you disapprove God. Nothing could be further from the truth.
You're avoiding the question. What other fields of science do you think the current consensus simply wrong? We've got climate science and biology and genetics and palentology and maybe some more could be attached to your disbelief in evolution. So I'm just asking, what else? Nothing else? Something else? What?
Also, I don't think that if you prove evolution you disprove God. I've never said it or anything like it. You're making it up. And it has nothing to do with the discussion. I do acknowledge that evolution has been proven as conclusively as anything in science can though.
I just posted an article today were teo global warming alarmists admitted the hiatus, lol.
Here is another one:
http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/11...ns-again-just-in-time-for-un-summit-in-paris/
