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Any chance Relf develops a moderate passing game in the off season?

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VirgilCain

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It's obvious he has a Henig-esque cannon. Can he pull a Rick Vaughn and learn how to use it effectively?

I'd like to hear the opinion of the E-Z boy coaches out there. I'll hang up and listen.
 
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VirgilCain

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It's obvious he has a Henig-esque cannon. Can he pull a Rick Vaughn and learn how to use it effectively?

I'd like to hear the opinion of the E-Z boy coaches out there. I'll hang up and listen.
 
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Sutterkane

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I'm almost convinced you can teach anybody how to be at least an average passer. Relf reminds me of Young in a lot of ways, except not nearly as good of course.
 
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It's like anything else.....hard work and practice will make you better.

It's hard to teach timing and touch but he can and will get better. We'll have to see if "better" is good enough.
 
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BCash

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Supposedly he didn't pass the ball at all in high-school because he as running he wishbone. Then he had the Croom ****-circus for a year. So, in my opinion, this past year was his first year of real QB coaching. With another year under Balis and Mullen, his speed, strength and accuracy could all improve. As far as his ability to handle the whole playbook, I dont know.
 
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weblow

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The other problem was that he does not posses the mental capacity to handle the position. From one of the offensive coaches, "truly the dumbest athlete I have ever attempted to coach."

In the Egg Bowl, "he had only committed 4-5 plays to memory."

I expect if we land Newton or another decent qb to play with Tyler, Relf will move along to another school or see very limited action at a different position.
 
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AdamDawgDude

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weblow said:
The other problem was that he does not posses the mental capacity to handle the position. From one of the offensive coaches, "truly the dumbest athlete I have ever attempted to coach."

In the Egg Bowl, "he had only committed 4-5 plays to memory."

I expect if we land Newton or another decent qb to play with Tyler, Relf will move along to another school or see very limited action at a different position.
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He only needs 4-5 plays if he can make the proper reads (which he did most of the time). Don't be so fast to kick Relf to the curb. With Tyler Russell on the team, we have a quarterback in Relf that is a real threat. He will have to run and run hard to have a spot and this can get old for a defense fast. Just ask anyone that played against Georgia Tech this year. If he gets a little banged up, then we bring in the better passer.
 
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goldeneye

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As the year went on, he seemed to make his reads much better on the option reads. Actually looked better than Tyson at making the correct read. He may very well be a low learner but he has shown improvement.
 
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weblow

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AdamDawgDude said:
weblow said:
The other problem was that he does not posses the mental capacity to handle the position. From one of the offensive coaches, "truly the dumbest athlete I
have ever attempted to coach."

In the Egg Bowl, "he had only committed 4-5 plays to memory."

I expect if we land Newton or another decent qb to play with Tyler, Relf will move along to another school or see very limited action at a different position.
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He only needs 4-5 plays if he can make the proper reads (which he did most of the time). Don't be so fast to kick Relf to the curb. With Tyler Russell on the team, we have a quarterback in Relf that is a real threat. He will have to run and run hard to have a spot and this can get old for a defense fast. Just ask anyone that played against Georgia Tech this year. If he gets a little banged up, then we bring in the better passer.
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I never said that I wanted him gone or kicked to the curb. I was repeating some quoted that I heard directly from coaches and also giving you my guess of what will happen.

I agree that 4-5 plays was all he needed against the Rebels this year but to successfully run the offense, he will need to know a good bit more. If he could only grasp 4-5 plays from last spring, summer, and fall under Mullen and company, then I don't see him learning the entire playbook by next season. He was basically learning a little less than one play per month.

Then again, now that he is supposedly laying off the green stuff, maybe those brain cells will kick into high gear.
 
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AdamDawgDude

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weblow said:
Then again, now that he is supposedly laying off the green stuff, maybe those brain cells will kick into high gear.
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Ha....let's hope so. Relf will be interesting to watch this year. If we don't get Newton, we'll really need him. Even with Newton, he can come in and run the option.
 
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He could be our started if he had a better grasp of the passing game. Although in the times I have seen himin games, he has looked decent

Whatever he needs to do to satisfy Mullen that he can pass, hehas 1 year to do it.
 
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Todd4State

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but I have to believe that Relf knew more than 4-5 plays by the end of the year.

And even if he did, I'll say this- we ran those 4-5 plays VERY well. Not just in the Egg Bowl to. He moved us better than Lee did against Arkansas and Alabama. We were running over Arkansas until AD fumbled and that allowed Arkansas to get another TD and two scores up.

I think Relf was in Mullen's doghouse because of the weed more than anything.
 
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This will be his second year in the system and second year of real coaching. Mullen singled him out for his work over the summer passing the ball, so I'm not really concerned with is work ethic. With more work, I think he can continue to improve. I don't give a damn if he's the world's worst practice player. He made some really good plays both running and passing when it actually counted. I think he understands what's happening on the football field, just don't ask him to explain it, because he obviously can't.
 
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coleman62

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dumb or not the guys an athlete.. if we sign another qb i would like to see him still run the option or maybe even switch to something like a full back position.. even though the offense doesnt really call for a two back backfield it might be an option to add versatility.. good passing/scrambling qb with relf in as a back can mean that they defense has to repsect both guys at the same time.. either can keep it or either can pass it.. i've seen video of a package on the JUCO level of a split back offense where the qb and back line up next to each other like a wish bone.. center snaps to either one and either one can make the plays work
 
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jfs131

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We'll he played better against the same Ole Miss defense as he did last year. He definately got better as the season went on.

I'll say this, after watching him the first spring practice he was throwing the ball into the ground. By the end of the year he could make some throws. He will get better. Will we get to see it? I don't know if we get Newton and Russell most likely taking over the offense if we don't get Newton.
 
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HippyDawg

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What you see (or saw) is what you get with Relf. They could maybe teach him a few more plays, but he will always be limited to a set play throwing to a predetermined receiver. No reading of defenses, checks offs or looking to second and third receivers. He will never be close to being an every down QB in the SEC. Just because Ole Miss could not stop one of the 4 plays he knows does not a QB make. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
 
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squirldawg

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from what I understand it is in the 3. 5 - 4.0 range. I don't think smarts has been Relf's problem.
 
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patdog

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Overthrowing a receiver by 10 yards is proof of a moderate passing game. Unbelievable.
 
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RonnyAtmosphere

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..4th & 12.

QB drops back to pass.

Pass completed.

1st down rendered meaningless, because 4th & 12 pass goes for TD.

Now, I don't know where you can find more ironclad proof of a "moderate passing game."

Oh wait: In the Egg Bowl, Relf completed another short pass in the endzone for a TD. Further proof Relf is able to command a moderate passing game.

But I guess because the receiver had to stretch & leap for the catch, that catch doesn't count either.

Let's make a deal: When somebody asks a question in a thread topic, and I come in and answer that question, let coach34 be coach34. You don't try to be coach34.
 
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Rabid

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The success of that play had absolutely nothing to do with Chris Relf. Bumphis just happened to be running a route behind O'neal and was in the area at the time. Another play call and that is an incomplete pass at best or an interception at worst.
 
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Dawgtini

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at least that is what I choose to believe. There were two receivers in the neighborhood on both TD catches Relf threw. I think Dan told him .."just don't throw it short" and had Green on the first one and Bumphis on the second to fall in about 5 yards behind the "intended' target. Ala, Dawg In The Know, notice I said "choose".

/edit: Can't spell
 
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MedDawg

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that he's just not a "field general". I get that from the coaching comments from both Croom and Mullen. He can run, he can pass, but he cant take "control" of the offense. I guess that comes down to if he started and played the whole game, at some point he would lose concentration and fumble, throw an interception, etc. However, seeing his performance over the season, I'm wondering if he's one of those that doesn't produce in practice, but when it comes to game time, he can do it. His passer rating is around 140. Everything I read about Tyler Russell is that he's a good "field general" in addition to being an excellent passer. He's a leader. So we've got that going for us if we don't sign Cam Newton.
 
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Rabid

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You might to something.

Maybe what the coaching staff should do is run two patterns in the same area on each Relf pass play. One short and one deep. Hope he hits one of them.

That just might work.
 
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