You know what also isn't open to interpretation???
Anybody been to the Ark Park yet?
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Christian as well, but I believe Hamm is a little far out there. I understand his thought process on how he believes the Earth is only however many thousand years old, but it just isn't so. Carbon dating has blown that theory all to crap. And dinosaurs? Really? Dinosaurs on the freaking ark? Dude...come on lol.
Ahem, UKO very clearly explained at the top of the page that the Bible must be interpreted literally. Consider this your warning, philistine. Get in line.
I take the entire Bible literal...in meaning. Some things in the Old Testemant IMO are more about teaching a lesson or moral, but who I am to say if they did or did not happen. The New Testemant is word for word the truth of what happened and is told in a more historical account and revelation of future happenings.
People who claim to be Christians and tell you that your an idiot for not believing 100% every opinionated thing they believe are ignorant.
People who automatically assume anyone who calls themselves a Christian are narrow minded backward people are also ignorant and most of times have been hurt in their life by religion so they automatically go into defense mode when religion is brought up.
There is only one thing that I allow no wiggle room on and that is that through Jesus Christ is the ONLY ONE TRUE WAY to enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Carry on...
I believe in the word. I'm not taking a position on the exact date of the earth. I'll leave it to humans to put faith in humans and I'll do my thing.
Same here man. People get too caught up on technicalities and details. Ima do what I think is right and let the big man sort out all of the little things.
No offense T. You are great poster, especially on the FB board. But it's interesting to me how people pick and choose what parts of the bible they want to believe. The new rage is to distance yourself from the old testament but believe the new. I find that odd. You either believe the entire book is real or the entire book is fake, IMO.
I understand distancing yourself from the murder, rape, genocide, slavery, etc. approved by the god of the bible in the old testament. But it's same god described in the new. You are either all in or you are not. Picking and choosing what fits in today's society is pretty weak, IMO.
Let's turn this conversation up a notch. Paging @IdaCat
How many animals have they put in this thing anyway? Would honestly be curious to know. Drove by the site of it for years wondering if the thing was even real, can't believe it finally got built (also since I've moved and no longer will ever drive by it unfortunately). Must be huge I would imagine.
Anyone have any info on the planned Tower of Babel exhibit in Somerset??
Hoping to take the wife and kids...
Hoping to take the wife and kids...
I'm not a believer but true and fake aren't the only options.. If you demand a singular, consistent, inerrant literalism you're going to twist yourselves into knots to have it make sense, but there are other ways of reading it.
Pretty sure you have to be a Christian in order to work there. Sign a form and profess your faith.
Hope all you non believers have fun in hell
I didn't intend to insinuate either all of it is true or all of it fake. I was more heading a long the lines of believers only believing the good stuff but discounting the bad. The old testament is crazy and has a lot of bad things in it (as stated earlier, god sanctioned slavery, genocide, rape, murder, etc.). The "en vogue" thing seems to be to poo poo on the old testament while pointing to the new testament as to what you believe in. That's weak.
anyone claimed the Pokémon GO trainer gym at the Ark Park yet?
Looks like Tommy is HELLBOUND!!!1!1!! for sure.....
Old Testament only guy right here. New Testament is for pussies.
I bet to differ. He sanctions slavery, murder, genocide and even rape. A few slavery nuggets for your reading pleasure:
Genesis chapter 17, verse 12:
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised.
Exodus chapter 12 verse 43:
The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it. Any slave you have bought may eat of it after you have circumcised him, but a temporary resident and a hired worker may not eat of it.
Exodus Chapter 21, verse 1:
Now these are the ordinances which you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,' then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.
Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
I agree. Old testament is for badasses while the new testament is for hipsters, soccer moms, Prius drivers and Dave Matthews fans.
Apparently Old testament God hated foreskin.
"I'm gonna make you born with this excessive, useless skin on your penis, but as soon as you are born. you gotta cut that **** off. It's hideous"
"I'm gonna make you born with this excessive, useless skin on your penis, but as soon as you are born. you gotta cut that **** off. It's hideous"
Adultery free. You should try it.
Cole follows the bible but has extra marital affairs? What's Stonewall gonna say about that?
Uh-oh. Doesn't look good.
Uh-oh. Doesn't look good.
It's cool. They're concubines. Solomon had like 300. Cole probably needs to step his game up if wants that King David kind of favor.
Just imagine the types of Pokemon you'd find hiding around the Ark
You do realize most "bible scholars" aren't neutral? They are believers therefore, they are going to twist words and meanings more than your best politicians to try and not look like idiots for following a god that advocates the above.
But hey, I am open minded. Can you explain the true meaning of Exodus chapter 21, verse 1?
He also wears a gold chain and roots for UNC despite growing up in Lexington, Kentucky.
He is the worst sort of sanctimonious prick.
But by all means, I hope he keeps giving people smug counsel on how to interpret the Bible!
Well I don't guess I need educated opinions on the matter. I've got Ron E Jones here, he knows his bible.
do you really think you, or any other hardened agnostic is "neutral" on the topic? Your kind will twist and misinterpret words and meanings without even knowing what you're talking about. You think you can just read a passage and suddenly you understand Gods meaning with no study.
But that's the last I'll say on it. Putting faith in humans is what's floating the boat today, just like the bible predicted. I won't try and stop the inevitable.
I questioned the unbelievable plot holes Ark story in Sundee Skooo when I was 12. Got the faith speech. That's when I quit buying into the story. The last 6 years of me being "religious" was me going through the motions to appease my parents. The day I moved out, I was done. My mother still is mad at me for it.
I also think that if we waited to teach religion to adults instead of indoctrinating toddlers, the participation rate would be much lower because religion requires one to completely set aside their critical thinking abilities to buy into such supernatural occurrences.
Quick poll: How many believers here became believers as small children by force of parents/guardians?
I also think that if we waited to teach religion to adults instead of indoctrinating toddlers, the participation rate would be much lower because religion requires one to completely set aside their critical thinking abilities to buy into such supernatural occurrences.
Quick poll: How many believers here became believers as small children by force of parents/guardians?
That is why Science is so awesome. They have a study on that. The Princess Alice study. Read it Mega.
Basically, if you replaced God with Princess Alice. You get the same results. Signed sealed and delivered.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21377689
Here is the abstract on the National Institute of Health website (NIH)
There is no way to have a meaningful conversation about the various meanings of Biblical verses on a message board. That being said, you have to understand context and history when reading the Bible. I am certainly no expert, but while the Hebrews were freed from slavery, they had a system in place where Hebrews could become servants, or slaves, of other Hebrews under certain circumstances. For example, if you owed debt that you couldn't pay, you could sell yourself into slavery and use your skills, or labor, to pay off your debt. When the debt was paid, you were no longer a servant to the person you were serving. Certain crimes could also be paid off in this way. For example, if you stole a cow and slaughtered it and couldn't afford to pay the owner the value of the cow, then you could work off the debt as a servant of someone. So slavery in those verses isn't the kind of slavery you are thinking about to begin with.
Second, in spite of your commentary, the Bible does not endorse slavery in the verses you site, or anywhere. Discussing the laws surrounding slavery in no way implies endorsement of the practice. Check out 1 Timothy 8:11 and see how slave trading is characterized.
Settle down SC. I've never said I was the end all, be all on the bible. But you are wrong about me. I have studied religion - not only christianity, but most religions. Even read the satanic bible by Anton LaVey to see what it was about (overrated - nothing really in there about satan, more about living the way most people already live - i.e. sex is good, drugs/alcohol are okay as long as you are not hurting anyone other than yourself, don't hurt kids, don't hurt animals, live and let live, eye for eye, etc.). As far as the king james bible, I was a one time believer, even though the entire bible thing didn't make sense. Before I decided to accept the truth and finally acknowledge that god is not real, I looked for every reason to believe and/or maybe find another religion made more sense. So I am not some born and bred atheist who haven't lived, and at one time believed, both sides of coin.
With that said, I just gave the verse and my interpretation to show why I'm saying that your god is down with slavery. Or at least he was in the "good ole" old testament days. You're the one who came back and said my interpretation is wrong and I needed to research what bible scholars had to say.
I don't care what your credentials are, the passages I quoted are pretty straight forward. Your god advocates slavery, separating slaves from their families and beating the slaves. If I am wrong, please explain in detail.
I appreciate your response and explanation about people allowing themselves to be slaves in certain situations; however, it still does not explain the "buying" of slaves, the beating of slaves (as long as they are not in a coma for more than a day or two) or the fact that your god seems okay with it.
Here's a few quotes about "buying" slaves and how children born into slavery kept as slaves. This doesn't appear to have anything to do with voluntary slavery:
Leviticus Chapter 22, verse 10:
No one outside a priest's family may eat the sacred offering, nor may the guest of a priest or his hired worker eat it. But if a priest buys a slave with money, or if a slave is born in his household, that slave may eat his food.
Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
It's pretty clear the bible endorses slavery regardless of how the person became a slave (willingly or otherwise)....