Page 2 everyone. Page 2 was the page where this evolved into the religious vs. atheist/agnostic message board conversation that has happened no less than 5 million times in the last year.
Anybody been to the Ark Park yet?
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I want to know how the animals got dropped off in specific areas of the globe. For instance, Kangaroos are only in Australia. Polar bears only in the Arctic areas. Penguins only in Antarctica. Hippos only in Africa. How many stops did they make, how long did that take, and who decided which animals to drop off where?
Don't forget the rapid incest once the water levels depleted and Noah and his family came out as the only survivors.
Here's my bet, I bet Noah was a human trafficker. I bet he had men and women caged up with those dinosaurs.
I attended union university, a Christian university, for two years before attending Memphis. Trust me, many parts of the bible are far from straight forward. Googling self serving facts on it won't help you. Any biblical scholar can tear apart your assertions on slavery and gods meaning. It's actually one of the easier defeated topics.
But I guess believing the "nothing" results in the universe, life, consciousness, etc is completely logical.
Very chilled Ron. No need to settle. Just my opinion.
Guess I lied, so I've sinned enough. Now I'm done officially... Go slavery!
spot on man. i mean isn't it kind of weird to think that this noah dude would waste all that space for saving animals, i mean especially with all those titties and pooh tang probably begging and willing to do anything to get on.
LMAO you're a christian? ********...must be a dumb *** Baptist then. No TRUE christian displays as much hate as you do.
There's plenty of flood myths from the Mesopotamia area to reasonably conclude that in some ancient time, a lot of water killed a lot of people and wrecked a lot of cities. Unfortunately, nobody had twitter so everyone had to rely on word of mouth to pass the story down and down and down and down and down until it got to Moses, who wrote down what he thought was the most accurate version.Even then, there's no way to know if his intention was to be completely 100% accurate to what he thought happened. That sort of historical reporting of events didn't come around until much later. In ancient times, tales like this were given to hyperbole to prove a point.
Let's not forget Noah was "blind" too. Just like Stevie Wonder... Allegedly.....
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/stevie-wonder-is-not-blind-the-evidence-1641795715
Like I said, I am no expert on this subject, but I still think you are thinking of slavery in the wrong context. The slavery that you are thinking of was against the law in that time. Read Exodus 21:16. That is the slavery you are thinking of.
The verses you are reading are talking about a completely different thing. If a person was poor and couldn't provide food and shelter for themselves, or their family, they would sell themselves into slavery where they would exchange their labor for shelter and food. That is what the Bible is talking about. The Bible lays out how slaves are to be treated and how they should treat their masters. In the sense that many of these people are people who need help and for someone to take care of them, I'm not sure that the negative connotation you are associating with it was associated at the time. It wasn't taking a human against his will and selling them to someone else. That doesn't mean there wasn't abuse. Obviously there was, becasue God had to spell out that he expected slaves to treated extremely well. In fact, God instructed slave owners to have their slaves participate in religious ceremonies and be brought to Christ. I think you are viewing this in today's context instead of as someone who lived at the time. How you are thinking of slavery was not how ancient Hebrews would have thought about it.
Kinda easy to claim "worldwide global" flood when you have no concept of land mass that you're actually living on.
But hey.. I love a good story. I read a few years ago I read. There are areas somewhere in Mississippi river that show that there has never been flooding. The Sahara desert floods every 17,000 years. So much about the earth's cycles we have no clue about. That's why I am not about to jump over to the pro-climate people. Yet...
That's why I said the Mesopotamia area. I do not think a worldwide flood happened.
I was agreeing with you. I just worded it stupid.
I guess we will really never know for sure one way or the other. That being said, hasn't marine fossils been found in high elevation on pretty much every continent? I don't really take note when I read those kinds of things, but seems to me I have read things over the years where the authors have said there is evidence that pretty much every land mass has been under water at some point in time.
Continents were all probably under water because of plate tectonics. Besides, Genesis says that God created water first.
I saw the video of it. It's crazy to see how kids behave when they think "Princess Alice" will punish them.
just brainstorming here, but what if he did? What if "the light" in Genesis 1 is really the Big Bang?
Great point. Dunno, that is running on the notion that the big bang is the settled creation. I was just going with the literal words. I am still intrigued by the Simulation theory that Kurzweil is hypothesizing. Which means, that there may have never been a big bang.
to clarify, I certainly do believe a lot of things in the Old Testament actually happened, like the Jews being in slavery and leaving Egypt, for one. Just was really talking about the Creation myth and Noahs Ark. How can one be a thinking person and look at all the scientific evidence we have and think the world was really created in seven days, come on, we all know that didn't happen. Many stories like that in the Old Testament. But that doesn't mean God did not create the world and the universe, just not in the same way as described in Genesis.
But I do believe in the resurrection, and the stories in Acts, the letters to Romans, etc. Do you not believe those men wrote all those letters and traveled all that way to bring the good news? And ended up being killed for their faith? I believe something miraculous must have happened to have inspired them, else they never would have done the things they did.
But I do believe in the resurrection, and the stories in Acts, the letters to Romans, etc. Do you not believe those men wrote all those letters and traveled all that way to bring the good news? And ended up being killed for their faith? I believe something miraculous must have happened to have inspired them, else they never would have done the things they did.
But God didn't put life in the water until land had already been created.
I don't know how it works, but we have fossils of ancient sea creatures in Iowa.
Noah took a pair of Blue Footed Boobies on the ark as part of his collection of the 9,956 species of birds in existence at the time. Does that count?
And created plants before their primary source of energy. On the fourth day he was like, "oh ****. I almost forgot. You're going to need this sun before you can actually live."
I've always been more curious about how, if the water covered the entire earth at a level equal to the peak of Mount Everest, anything on the ark survived without freezing and/or dying from a lack of oxygen. Well, that and how multiple other civilizations had written history that spanned the time of the flood that didn't mention "Wiped out by flood - skip to Chapter 6 : Repopulation"...
Sure. But were they living at the same time as Noah and the great flood? I'd say those Iowan sea creatures outdate the great flood.
By the way, do we have an approximate time on the flood?
Happened at roughly 3:00pm on a Thursday. That's eastern standard time by the way. Not that pansy-assed central time zone crap.
Maybe.
The thing is, though, we will never know. There is no way for science or religion to fully illuminate the mystery of creation.
It's fun to discuss, though, and I think it's a shame that science is pitted agsinst religion so often
Islam and Catholicism have been great Fathers of Science. It's shame how religion is taking us back to the dark ages.
I agree 100%. It seems like so many people try to use one or the other to try and discredit the other side. Seems kind of silly to me.