Anybody else hear the MSU female student

[thatsbaseball]

call H to H this afternoon. She very articulately through Dan Mullen under the bus and then proceeded to back the bus over his *** about three times. She was later followed by a faculty member who did the same thing. Now before you light me up with 50 "how do you know they were who they said they were" I DON`t but damn they sounded for real. Very interesting calls.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I heard both,

and they were both idiots. Do you honestly believe our players are conditioned???

 

[thatsbaseball]

Well you explain why we lose every second half then. I don`t know what the hell`s going on but her guess is as good as any I`ve heard. The bigger picture is I don`t think she was speaking just for herself and she talked about a lot more than just conditioning.

 

[mcdawg22]

I didn't hear,

What did she say? Are women wasting our guys legs?

 

[thatsbaseball]

It was a long call and she said a lot. One main thing was that the students and alumni are on totally different pages and the students are tired of Mullen`s teams laying down in the second half so they leave. It was a very interesting call. Cross later said that wished every caller no matter what their subject or take would be as well prepared and well spoken as her. It was particularly interesting to me because I disagree with the many on here that continually bash students for being detached and clueless . Believe me...she wasn`t clueless.

 

[Dawgbite]

She pretty much said that Mullen and the team had lost the support of the student body and the professor backed her up. He said that the support had been eroding for two years. Matt disagreed with a lot of what she said, especially the part about the players not being in game shape, hence the second half collapses. Richard was unusually quiet other that a snide remark about being Balis Made. If what she said is really representative of the atmosphere on campus then I'll have to lean to the side of its time for a change. Matt and Dick both agreed that there is zero chance of Mullen being fired.

 

[PBRME]

Leaving because the team lays down in the 2nd half is just a convenient excuse. They're leaving because they can't miss another hour and half out of their busy social schedule.

 

[AlCoDog]

Well I hope she had already finished all of the ironing, and cooking supper before she called.

 

[Dawgbite]

It was a long call and she said a lot. One main thing was that the students and alumni are on totally different pages and the students are tired of Mullen`s teams laying down in the second half so they leave. It was a very interesting call. Cross later said that wished every caller no matter what their subject or take would be as well prepared and well spoken as her. It was particularly interesting to me because I disagree with the many on here that continually bash students for being detached and clueless . Believe me...she wasn`t clueless.

She was almost too well spoken and prepared. Your average 18-22 year old is not that articulate. I will have to say that it was very impassioned and didn't sound read from a script. She was very rational so she definitely wasn't a poster on here.****

 

[Philly Dawg]

The problem is that with the new changes in television contracts, most of the games are at night. Thus, the students are leaving to go to the fraternity parties because the bands are starting at 8:00. Other than that, they are no different from any other fans, and just like other fans, they've all got an opinion. That people leave in the second half when they perceive the game out of reach is hardly an earth shattering observation.

 

[KurtRambis4]

If you honestly

believe these guys aren't physically conditioned then I've just got nothing to say.

 

[FreeDawg]

Good to know the kitchens in the dorms have cell service**

 

[mcdawg22]

Well I know we have a few students on here, so do y'all agree. Is this the feeling you've noticed on campus.

 

[Shamoan]

i heard the girl...amber was her name i believe. when cross asked her who she wished we would replace mullen with, she quickly replied "saban". dick prolly wasnt looking for that one.

i thought she had an interesting perspective....her larger point is that there is a big divide growing between the students and the alumni. the students are tired of the same old **** and are ready for a change while the alumni are in an extended wait-and-see pattern. based on how the students have attended, i cant say she is wrong in her assessment of what is going on....right or wrong. i for one am glad our fans are starting to shed the woe is me **** and starting to demand results. you dont see teams very often that dedicate their every being to becoming successful and fall short if they truly commit. look at auburn...similar circumstances, but they refuse to let bama get too far ahead. they have essentially ridden bama's coattails to a national title because they werent willing to accept mediocrity. one thing is for sure, you cant half-*** dedication. either you are dedicated to changing the direction of the program or you are not. you cant half-*** anything and expect to be successful.

glad she called and changed the conversation and said some things that needed to be said, although i dont think she was 100% spot-on, she did a fine job of mixing things up.

 

[seb304]

I graduated not long ago

So I have friends who are young alumni and many friends who are still students there. The answer is, absolutely. Obviously, anecdotal evidence is not necessarily reliable statistically but among people I know (that's students from all races, Greek and non-Greek, etc. from juniors to 2-3 years out of college), Mullen's support is probably in the 25% range. Just about everyone I know wants him fired.

 

[Shamoan]

that a point where i was a little confused by what she was saying. im not sure how much conditioning has to do with it...physical condition anyway, but one thing is for damn sure, we are NOT mentally tough and that goes for the coaches more-so than the players...its a trickle-down effect. her conditioning point was a little, "meh...what?" but outside of that, i thought her perspective on the growing divide between the students and alumni was interesting, and thinking back to some of the defensive student replies in the "our students suck" threads, it kinda backs that up.

 

[Shamoan]

agreed, she had her **** together.

 

[KurtRambis4]

The prof

stated, mainly, his reasoning for wanting Mullen gone was bc of what OM is doing. I thought this was funny, bc Was21 started a thread yesterday on him believing most Mullen detractors felt this way and got blasted for it.

 

[muddawgs]

Here's the problem

i heard the girl...amber was her name i believe. when cross asked her who she wished we would replace mullen with, she quickly replied "saban". dick prolly wasnt looking for that one.

i thought she had an interesting perspective....her larger point is that there is a big divide growing between the students and the alumni. the students are tired of the same old **** and are ready for a change while the alumni are in an extended wait-and-see pattern. based on how the students have attended, i cant say she is wrong in her assessment of what is going on....right or wrong. i for one am glad our fans are starting to shed the woe is me **** and starting to demand results. you dont see teams very often that dedicate their every being to becoming successful and fall short if they truly commit. look at auburn...similar circumstances, but they refuse to let bama get too far ahead. they have essentially ridden bama's coattails to a national title because they werent willing to accept mediocrity. one thing is for sure, you cant half-*** dedication. either you are dedicated to changing the direction of the program or you are not. you cant half-*** anything and expect to be successful.

glad she called and changed the conversation and said some things that needed to be said, although i dont think she was 100% spot-on, she did a fine job of mixing things up.

students and alumni are on two different wave lengths. The students complaining about Mullen have only seen Mullen. They have seen a coach go to bowls 3 out of 4 years and was 1 yard away from making that 4 of 4. Most alumni have seen many different coaches and a lot of suckatude. Most of the students probably don't remember the Croom years while all your alumni does. I went to State in 99 and started being a fan of Msu in 97. All I ever knew was Jackie Sherrill. I saw a lot of good football from 97 to 2000. Then I saw a lot of ****** football until Mullen arrived.

I've seen Croom consistently have our offense rank 100 in D1. Under Mullen we have ranked in the top half of D1 in offense. If the students want to see a team lay down, then they need to go watch 2008 egg bowl.

That's why you see alumni a little more patient than our current students. My problem with the students is that Mullen hasn't reached the ****** status that Sherrill and Croom did to deserve lack of support. Neither have the players.

Mullen is 4th all time in wins at Msu. Let that sink in. Just to be clear, I don't agree with some of the things Mullen does, but don't count me into the "grass is greener on the other side" crowd. What people have to realize is that we have 4 losses to top 25 teams and had one beat on the road with a minute left. We had Lsu within 5 points going into the 4th. I think Mullen gets over the hump next season against ranked teams, and if he doesn't, you will see alumni get on the same page as the students.

 

[mcdawg22]

Same old ****? Really. Understand I'm not one of those curmudgeon es grandpa type alumni telling the students to get of my lawn, but most weren't even born when Jackie was hired. They were in kindergarten when we were in the SEC championship, and this graduating class is going to be one of the few that will only see one losing season. I get they're impatient since they have been "supporting" MSU athletics for at most 4 years and all, but don't give me this students vs alumni BS. I know who is paying for that expansion, and while I may have two bricks in it, it sure as hell ain't me. So I'm not going to completely dismiss the people who have a lot more invested, both financial and time wise, than me. And I would hope that the students wouldn't feel this way. If they were leaving the games out of disapproval, why show up at all, if it still is the case, good for you, but I hope there really isn't a us vs them mentality growing, because Mullen and Stricklin will both be gone one day, but there will always be students and alumni, and if there is a divide it is unhealthy for the University.

 

[MaxedOutMaroon]

Well I know we have a few students on here, so do y'all agree. Is this the feeling you've noticed on campus.

In a sense, yes. Many of them are clueless about sports and are too dumb to know what school they associate with. Heck, I saw a student whistling (obviously to gain attention), while wearing an OM sweatshirt and cap. College students are too focused on video games and fantasy. The truth is many (not all) are band wagon fans to whoever is winning Bama and KY (basketball of course). I understand if they grew up fans of other schools, but at least support your school's team as well. It just does not make sense. I know most students on here are fellow football fans and lovers of MSU football, so glad to have you with me.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Lying down in the second half huh? Well if that is the case the student section should have been packed during the second half of the Troy game, but I assure you it wasn't. That excuse she gave is an absolute cop out.

 

[MSUFORLIFE]

students and alumni are on two different wave lengths. The students complaining about Mullen have only seen Mullen. They have seen a coach go to bowls 3 out of 4 years and was 1 yard away from making that 4 of 4. Most alumni have seen many different coaches and a lot of suckatude. Most of the students probably don't remember the Croom years while all your alumni does. I went to State in 99 and started being a fan of Msu in 97. All I ever knew was Jackie Sherrill. I saw a lot of good football from 97 to 2000. Then I saw a lot of ****** football until Mullen arrived.

I've seen Croom consistently have our offense rank 100 in D1. Under Mullen we have ranked in the top half of D1 in offense. If the students want to see a team lay down, then they need to go watch 2008 egg bowl.

That's why you see alumni a little more patient than our current students. My problem with the students is that Mullen hasn't reached the ****** status that Sherrill and Croom did to deserve lack of support. Neither have the players.

Mullen is 4th all time in wins at Msu. Let that sink in. Just to be clear, I don't agree with some of the things Mullen does, but don't count me into the "grass is greener on the other side" crowd. What people have to realize is that we have 4 losses to top 25 teams and had one beat on the road with a minute left. We had Lsu within 5 points going into the 4th. I think Mullen gets over the hump next season against ranked teams, and if he doesn't, you will see alumni get on the same page as the students.

This is not true. Only the true freshmen might not have known about Croom. Anyone Soph and up did know. I am a junior and a sports major. I know about sports and I know what I am talking about. I am more baseball oriented than anything else but I don't have to know the X's and O's of football to see that there is in fact a divide. And no, it isn't because we have "only seen mullen be successful." I attended every game during the Croom years and will be true maroon forever. This is not from a personal standpoint but I think one of the big problems with my fellow students is that several of them have friends and relatives at the Alabama's and Ole Miss's and LSU's. They are living it up and having a wonderful time watching their sports destroy everyone while we get to see our own team rolling over in the second half. I saw a stat during one of our games that we were averaging 27 points 1st half and 8 the 2nd. That is pathetic.

I love sports and I love football. I have been a mullen supporter since he got here. But I do think that something needs to change. I completely agree that the student body and the Football team have a growing rift between them. And despite what you think, not every college student is a drunk ******* that wants to leave to go to a party. It honestly is the fact that we are quitting in the 2nd half. I think a lot of the students feel like if our team is going to quit like that, then they will too (by leaving the game.) I don't feel that way but I know a lot of people who do.

 

[FlabLoser]

The caller was BulldogAGP

 

[patdog]

If the alumni aren't tired of our team laying down in the 2nd half, they need to wake up and come around to the students' side. It's not even close to being acceptable.

 

[muddawgs]

This is not true. Only the true freshmen might not have known about Croom. Anyone Soph and up did know. I am a junior and a sports major. I know about sports and I know what I am talking about. I am more baseball oriented than anything else but I don't have to know the X's and O's of football to see that there is in fact a divide. And no, it isn't because we have "only seen mullen be successful." I attended every game during the Croom years and will be true maroon forever. This is not from a personal standpoint but I think one of the big problems with my fellow students is that several of them have friends and relatives at the Alabama's and Ole Miss's and LSU's. They are living it up and having a wonderful time watching their sports destroy everyone while we get to see our own team rolling over in the second half. I saw a stat during one of our games that we were averaging 27 points 1st half and 8 the 2nd. That is pathetic.

I love sports and I love football. I have been a mullen supporter since he got here. But I do think that something needs to change. I completely agree that the student body and the Football team have a growing rift between them. And despite what you think, not every college student is a drunk ******* that wants to leave to go to a party. It honestly is the fact that we are quitting in the 2nd half. I think a lot of the students feel like if our team is going to quit like that, then they will too (by leaving the game.) I don't feel that way but I know a lot of people who do.

Well not all students are sports major and not all students give 2 ***** about a college football team until they get to college. I know I didn't and I played football. And to say our team quits in the 2nd half is dumb. I've seen teams quit. Teams don't quit when they are winning. The one thing I see is we don't have leadership on the field. Our go to guy is Lewis on offense and even he's dropped balls in the clutch. If I'm not mistaken, he dropped a ball in the Auburn game that could have been the difference in us winning. Chris Jones on defense is the only player I see trying to lead by making plays but he's only a freshman. Is it frustrating to watch our offense sputter in the 2nd half? Yes it is but until we have someone step up and make plays, we will continue to struggle.

we gave up 17 points in the 2nd half to Usc and 14 were off turnovers. We gave up 7 points in the 2nd half to BG. Auburn we had only given up 3 points till last drive. We gave up 14 to OSU but held them to their lowest total of the year. Lsu 14 of the 28 4th qtr points came off turnovers. The only game I thought we just **** the bed was Kentucky and it all started with a safety by our favorite kicker.

Just because our offense plays poor in the 2nd half doesn't mean our team quits. Like I've said, I've seen plenty of teams quit in the 2nd half and this is not one of them. We just don't have leaders on the field and it shows in the 2nd half.

 

[stinkfoot]

Some truth here. If Alabama has trouble w/ students leaving early then...

Lying down in the second half huh? Well if that is the case the student section should have been packed during the second half of the Troy game, but I assure you it wasn't. That excuse she gave is an absolute cop out.

every school is going to have some student apathy where they want to get back to the party as soon as possible and football is just an excuse for the parties.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

This is not true. Only the true freshmen might not have known about Croom. Anyone Soph and up did know. I am a junior and a sports major. I know about sports and I know what I am talking about. I am more baseball oriented than anything else but I don't have to know the X's and O's of football to see that there is in fact a divide. And no, it isn't because we have "only seen mullen be successful." I attended every game during the Croom years and will be true maroon forever. This is not from a personal standpoint but I think one of the big problems with my fellow students is that several of them have friends and relatives at the Alabama's and Ole Miss's and LSU's. They are living it up and having a wonderful time watching their sports destroy everyone while we get to see our own team rolling over in the second half. I saw a stat during one of our games that we were averaging 27 points 1st half and 8 the 2nd. That is pathetic.

I love sports and I love football. I have been a mullen supporter since he got here. But I do think that something needs to change. I completely agree that the student body and the Football team have a growing rift between them. And despite what you think, not every college student is a drunk ******* that wants to leave to go to a party. It honestly is the fact that we are quitting in the 2nd half. I think a lot of the students feel like if our team is going to quit like that, then they will too (by leaving the game.) I don't feel that way but I know a lot of people who do.

The students have not stuck around long enough in the second half this year to even voice their opinion on quitting. Most of the students quit on the team before the team runs out of the tunnel to start the second half. That's a sorry sack of **** we have for student support. Are you going to leave when we are down by 14 to Ole Miss with 8 minutes left in the game? Those are the times when we need your spoiled asses in the stadium.

The divide is not that far between students and alumni on Mullen. Most of us are beginning to lose faith in him but the students should stick around, regardless of their opinion on the coach.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

It is easy for students to claim this is the reason after the fact, but

the truth is that students have been leaving games early to get to the bars/parties for years now. It's nothing new, its just become more popular to leave than it used to be. It has more to do with the attitudes of the current generation (the ME generation) than it does the product on the field.

 

[OzarkaNSW]

Amber? I hardly no her. hahahahahah

nm

i heard the girl...amber was her name i believe. when cross asked her who she wished we would replace mullen with, she quickly replied "saban". dick prolly wasnt looking for that one.

i thought she had an interesting perspective....her larger point is that there is a big divide growing between the students and the alumni. the students are tired of the same old **** and are ready for a change while the alumni are in an extended wait-and-see pattern. based on how the students have attended, i cant say she is wrong in her assessment of what is going on....right or wrong. i for one am glad our fans are starting to shed the woe is me **** and starting to demand results. you dont see teams very often that dedicate their every being to becoming successful and fall short if they truly commit. look at auburn...similar circumstances, but they refuse to let bama get too far ahead. they have essentially ridden bama's coattails to a national title because they werent willing to accept mediocrity. one thing is for sure, you cant half-*** dedication. either you are dedicated to changing the direction of the program or you are not. you cant half-*** anything and expect to be successful.

glad she called and changed the conversation and said some things that needed to be said, although i dont think she was 100% spot-on, she did a fine job of mixing things up.

 

[seb304]

IT is RIDICULOUS how alumni keep trying to pass off as fact their opinion that students only leave to party when STUDENTS say it's more than that. Good grief.

 

[HD6]

That was my first thought.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Right, because none of the alumni have ever been students ***

IT is RIDICULOUS how alumni keep trying to pass off as fact their opinion that students only leave to party when STUDENTS say it's more than that. Good grief.

and some weren't even students very recently.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Maybe it's the game day "atmosphere." I've read many accounts on here about how the Moo Tube is not being utilized very well (too loud, lame commercials and breaks, terrible music). Do we have a young "tech savvy" guy running the show or some old fart from Ag. Communications? Who plans and makes decisions regarding how the board is used? Who plans the game day festivities? Maybe they need to visit some other schools or professional venues and see how it's okay to think outside the box. Or, maybe pay someone that's talented what they're worth so that they don't leave for private sector jobs. Stir all of this up together with a poor performance on the field, and well...the whole day is just not that good of an experience. I don't know...everything about game day at MSU just seems so vanilla.

 

[00Dawg]

It's one thing to know about, and another to be on campus as a student while it's happening. You're surrounded by it, it's all you talk about, and it's the focus of the campus social life almost every other weekend. About 3/4 of State's living alumni would trade the football results from when they were in school for what we've gotten with Mullen. That's the long and short of why most alumni feel the way they do.
As for the team quitting in the second half, it's an excuse. Sorry, but we should call a spade a spade. Students were leaving in droves as soon as the homecoming queen was crowned during the BG game. They had no idea their offense was about to sputter while their defense would need their full support for the 4th quarter. Certainly our performances in the 3rd quarter against LSU and Auburn had shown there was no reason to leave before the 4th quarter, if then.
The cause of this trend is something else, maybe generational, maybe not, but if you're really true maroon, you should be lambasting any of your fellow students who feel the need to justify their game departure time before the game has even started.

 

[Tds & Beer]

I never have felt like they were

and they were both idiots. Do you honestly believe our players are conditioned???

Because they always look like they are in worse condition when we play an equal team.

 

[GloryDawg]

She also said after being asked who should State replace Mullen with she said Saban then went on to say she did not know.

 

[ClintonInHelen]

I'd hit it.

hitnoku

 

[mcdawg22]

Well one other factor is TV. When I was there we only had 4 maybe 5 games on TV. As much as I loved listening to Jack, really wanted to watch the action. And that doesn't even factor in the HD, 20 different camera angles.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I"m sorry

but I just think it's asinine to believe a SEC team isn't physically conditioned. I hope I'm misunderstanding you.