Anybody get a queasy feeling in the pit....................
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he will use every NCAA recruiting loophole necessary that is code to the fanbase that he will break any rule necessary to get a player that Ole Miss needs (or allow it). I think he was brought in partly because he will focus more on MS recruiting than Nutt did and he will be "all in" on the GOB Ole Miss recruiting network as he's already been a part of previously anyway. Of course the other reason is he was a relatively cheap hire.
Not that worried...yet. Right now their program is slightly above that of the turd chunk that won't go down the toilet after repeated flushes. I think a lot of the recruits want to play where they can win and get some national exposure for the NFL draft. The winning teams get the prime time TV slots and the exposure they crave. Now, 3-4 years from now if they start to have some .500 seasons then I might get worried unless we improve as expected and still get our share.
He will hit the trail hard this year but they are so behind I don't see it affecting us too bad. He may grab a few guys that are ambivilent about where they go like an AJ Jefferson. He'll probably get a couple more good players from traditional OM areas, that always happens.
I think next year is when to really be on the lookout, he'll have his staff in place by then. But they better have a much improved product on the field next season. He's looking at nearly two years of SEC losses and not much else to show these recruits. One more year of bad losses and it'll be real hard to turn around. So far their schedule does not look favorable one bit either.
I think next year is when to really be on the lookout, he'll have his staff in place by then. But they better have a much improved product on the field next season. He's looking at nearly two years of SEC losses and not much else to show these recruits. One more year of bad losses and it'll be real hard to turn around. So far their schedule does not look favorable one bit either.
just not enough time to get back in with a large number of high quality recruits. Next year would be the year to watch.
or at least i don't think he was... i know glenn was at the podium
It is almost like they used archies name, archie caught wind, and got pissed ...we will see in the next coming months
but right now I don't think archie has even interviewed about the process so far
It is almost like they used archies name, archie caught wind, and got pissed ...we will see in the next coming months
but right now I don't think archie has even interviewed about the process so far
but I do have a queasy feeling that he could end up being a pretty good coach. He's a high energy guy, he's got a lot of motivation to do well, and he has a fan base in his back pocket that's ready to start selling their children if it'll bring in a few extra wins. I'm not extremely nervous yet, but if he ends up pulling together a solid recruiting class on such short notice and/or pulls out an Egg Bowl victory next year, we'll all need to be nervous.
Frankly I'm betting it fails wildly and fast. They don't have the personnel to run a Oregon type offense and I can't see Freeze being given enough to install it all while they try to get back on their feet. I think next year will be a carbon copy of this year. They lose every RB but Jeff Scott and who knows if he's even on the team still. They got a whole bunch of big body O Linemen that will have to learn a whole new scheme and slim down. He's not kidding when he says their in the Wilderness.<div>
</div><div>But on the flip side if I'm wrong then Freeze will be the next Offensive mastermind.<div>
</div><div>If I was a betting man I'd put my money on he'll be gone after two seasons.</div> </div>
</div><div>But on the flip side if I'm wrong then Freeze will be the next Offensive mastermind.<div>
</div><div>If I was a betting man I'd put my money on he'll be gone after two seasons.</div> </div>
Guy's won everywhere he's been. He helped recruit well (not talking stars, I'm talking about solid recruiting) with Orgeron, though it remains to be seen how much of it was Freeze. But he's seen the blueprint. ****, if Freeze had been head coach while Orgeron recruited that'd have been a hell of a combination.<div>
</div><div>I think it's a pretty good hire for the rebs myself. What do I know, though. If I was an Ole Miss fan, I would be happy with it.</div><div>
</div><div>Problem for Freeze next year is that, to me, if Houston Nutt can't win with what's there, Hugh Freeze definitely won't. There are few coaches out there that are better gameday coaches than Nutt. So Freezus will have to recruit his way out of it. We'll see if he's got the Orgeron magic.</div>
</div><div>I think it's a pretty good hire for the rebs myself. What do I know, though. If I was an Ole Miss fan, I would be happy with it.</div><div>
</div><div>Problem for Freeze next year is that, to me, if Houston Nutt can't win with what's there, Hugh Freeze definitely won't. There are few coaches out there that are better gameday coaches than Nutt. So Freezus will have to recruit his way out of it. We'll see if he's got the Orgeron magic.</div>
<div>It's not like he was bringing in better players than you would expect for Arkansas State. In fact, you might expect better than that.</div><div></div>In 2010, Arkansas State signed three 3-star recruits (only 2 remained on this season's roster) and in 2011, ASU signed just two 3-star recruits. The rest were 2-star or NR. So that's five 3-star recruits in two years, keeping four of them. <div>
</div><div>It's not like he was bringing in better players than you would expect for Arkansas State. In fact, you might expect better than that. </div><div>
</div><div>Freezes' 2011 recruiting class ranked 111th overall and 7thin the Sun Belt Conference. (Hud, btw, finished #94 overall and 2nd in the Sun Belt Conference)</div>
</div><div>It's not like he was bringing in better players than you would expect for Arkansas State. In fact, you might expect better than that. </div><div>
</div><div>Freezes' 2011 recruiting class ranked 111th overall and 7thin the Sun Belt Conference. (Hud, btw, finished #94 overall and 2nd in the Sun Belt Conference)</div>
Dr. Coach Victor Fries will be getting "handsy" with his boys and girls, history dictates that
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preaching 'return to core values' with the bears but while he was at ASU, he was more than willing to 'overlook' some thuggish behavior. Especially liked the Jarboe story ... 4 star sooner WR before his felony gun charges. Given a second chance at Troy but dismissed for undisclosed reasons. Freeze was there to 'rescue' him.
Wouldn't recommend watching at work but you can catch Jarboe's rap video here ... http//youtube.com/watch?v3HMrOxjsc. Video is okay if you are "into" degrading women, fowl language and randomly shooting someone for no particular reason.
That's just stupid to say and quite homerish at that.
You are correct that he has to rebuild the personnel. We don't have the right kind of linemen, though that can be mitigated some with his style of offense. We need to recruit a QB and/or be able to train one of the existing guys, preferrably Brunetti to at least carry the load in the meantime. And yes we don't have a RB. We'll be starting freshmen/Jucos next year, because I have serious doubts Jeff Scott makes it around for next year.
I see no reason the basketball on grass thing can't work in the SEC. People had the same questions about the spread option when Meyer brought it. That won't work in the SEC they said. The spread option has only won 3 national titles in the SEC since Meyer brought it in 2005 (2 Florida, 1 Auburn). Didn't Mullen attempt to bring some of those basketball on grass ideas to MSU this year? I know you weren't ever to really implement it all that much, but there is no reason it can't work.
That said, a lot of improvement can be made to our team by weeding out the bad apples and instilling some discipline. Just getting everybody to line up correctly and know their assignments would be a step in the right direction. Not saying we'll win a lot more, but a lot can be done to make the product on the field better overnight, even if we have talent holes. It's a rebuilding process, but the clean up process can happen immediately.
You are correct that he has to rebuild the personnel. We don't have the right kind of linemen, though that can be mitigated some with his style of offense. We need to recruit a QB and/or be able to train one of the existing guys, preferrably Brunetti to at least carry the load in the meantime. And yes we don't have a RB. We'll be starting freshmen/Jucos next year, because I have serious doubts Jeff Scott makes it around for next year.
I see no reason the basketball on grass thing can't work in the SEC. People had the same questions about the spread option when Meyer brought it. That won't work in the SEC they said. The spread option has only won 3 national titles in the SEC since Meyer brought it in 2005 (2 Florida, 1 Auburn). Didn't Mullen attempt to bring some of those basketball on grass ideas to MSU this year? I know you weren't ever to really implement it all that much, but there is no reason it can't work.
That said, a lot of improvement can be made to our team by weeding out the bad apples and instilling some discipline. Just getting everybody to line up correctly and know their assignments would be a step in the right direction. Not saying we'll win a lot more, but a lot can be done to make the product on the field better overnight, even if we have talent holes. It's a rebuilding process, but the clean up process can happen immediately.
There were obviously problems with the Orgeron era. The things he did right though were his work ethic and his recruiting effort.
If you're going to have success at a school like ours that has limitations, you have to out-work the competition on the recruiting trail, and then you have to be innovative with your system as well.
Orgeron failed on that latter part, and he also failed on his ability to motivate and prepare a team. He wanted to run the USC system when he got to Ole Miss, and that wasn't going to work here. He had started to come around by his last year though, and by all accounts, Freeze was set to be our OC in 2008 had Orgeron kept his job. That would've worked pretty well. Orgeron still had lost the team emotionally though.
Point being, there is a lot that was done right during Orgeron's 3 year period. If Freeze can follow what he did right but actually run a system that's a better fit and have the team disciplined and all on the same page, he will work out well.
It's really a simple formula. Recruiting (not stars but recruiting good athletes), system, discipline, and motivation. Orgeron failed on system and motivation. Discipline was a little bit of a problem for Orgeron, but it was more of a problem when he lost the team on the motivation front. Nutt failed on recruiting (attrition) and discipline, with maybe a little bit system as well. Mullen has motivation down. He has system. He has discipline. The only question with him is recruiting, and whether he can bring in enough talent. That's still TBD. Croom failed on recruiting and system primarily.
Go back and look at any failed coaches, and you can point to one of those areas. Jackie eventually lost it on discipline and motivation, because he lost his team.
If you're going to have success at a school like ours that has limitations, you have to out-work the competition on the recruiting trail, and then you have to be innovative with your system as well.
Orgeron failed on that latter part, and he also failed on his ability to motivate and prepare a team. He wanted to run the USC system when he got to Ole Miss, and that wasn't going to work here. He had started to come around by his last year though, and by all accounts, Freeze was set to be our OC in 2008 had Orgeron kept his job. That would've worked pretty well. Orgeron still had lost the team emotionally though.
Point being, there is a lot that was done right during Orgeron's 3 year period. If Freeze can follow what he did right but actually run a system that's a better fit and have the team disciplined and all on the same page, he will work out well.
It's really a simple formula. Recruiting (not stars but recruiting good athletes), system, discipline, and motivation. Orgeron failed on system and motivation. Discipline was a little bit of a problem for Orgeron, but it was more of a problem when he lost the team on the motivation front. Nutt failed on recruiting (attrition) and discipline, with maybe a little bit system as well. Mullen has motivation down. He has system. He has discipline. The only question with him is recruiting, and whether he can bring in enough talent. That's still TBD. Croom failed on recruiting and system primarily.
Go back and look at any failed coaches, and you can point to one of those areas. Jackie eventually lost it on discipline and motivation, because he lost his team.
I'm not being a homer about it, I feel he also has a very strong chance to do something great. I just get the feeling like his Offense will be the key, either it's the next big thing or it flops. Sort of is he the next 'Gus Malzahn' or the next 'Tony Franklin'. Just my opinion, running 80 to 100 snaps a game sounds crazy in the SEC. I do think that Brunetti can run it effectively (from what I've seen of his scheme) and Brassel, Singleton, Moncrief etc... will be great pieces. Will need RB's and new O-Linemen.
On the 2 years thing, I've heard from a number of OM friends and family that they are conditionally supporting Freeze. He's the new Coach so they'll support him but are in a wait and see mood. If he struggles out of the gate badly I can see dissent coming on very quickly. Now I'm not friends with any of the OM folks who thought Tony Dungy was really coming to Oxford but I think it's fair to say that a lot of OM faithful really expected a bigger name from the commitee. Maybe that's not fair to Freeze but from what I gather he needs to show improvement quickly, maybe it's just in discipline etc... Ole Miss has been playing football for 121 years now and the average tenure of a Coach is 3.36 years. Doesn't bode well for someone taking over Nutt's disaster. So if he ends up being the next Tony Franklin then I don't see him being in position very long.
But he may be the next Gus Malzahn, hopefully sans crazy wife, and he'll lead Ole Miss to Atlanta or at least consistent Bowl Appearances.
On the 2 years thing, I've heard from a number of OM friends and family that they are conditionally supporting Freeze. He's the new Coach so they'll support him but are in a wait and see mood. If he struggles out of the gate badly I can see dissent coming on very quickly. Now I'm not friends with any of the OM folks who thought Tony Dungy was really coming to Oxford but I think it's fair to say that a lot of OM faithful really expected a bigger name from the commitee. Maybe that's not fair to Freeze but from what I gather he needs to show improvement quickly, maybe it's just in discipline etc... Ole Miss has been playing football for 121 years now and the average tenure of a Coach is 3.36 years. Doesn't bode well for someone taking over Nutt's disaster. So if he ends up being the next Tony Franklin then I don't see him being in position very long.
But he may be the next Gus Malzahn, hopefully sans crazy wife, and he'll lead Ole Miss to Atlanta or at least consistent Bowl Appearances.