Anybody notice the 4A state champ lost to Prep this year
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like Prep and JA, for instance, would do fine in the MHSAA.
Word on the street is that the SACS accredited private schools may be extended an invitation to the MHSAA at a 1.5 index like the parochial schools (multiply their actual enrollment times 1.5 and classify them using this number).
St. Stanislaus, for instance, has to multiply their enrollment by 2 (all boys school) and thats why you have a very small school in 4A. Prep and JA would be large 4A at first, but could slip into 5A quickly. JA and Prep are playoff teams in most sports 4A (especially considering their district would be Florence, Richland, Raymond, Mendenhall, etc.) but would struggle in basketball. 5A would be a different story, as they would be with Ridgeland, Pearl and some of the JPS schools.
This would be a great move for the private schools if they want to. It will kill the MAIS gravy train but would be a great move for the schools.
Word on the street is that the SACS accredited private schools may be extended an invitation to the MHSAA at a 1.5 index like the parochial schools (multiply their actual enrollment times 1.5 and classify them using this number).
St. Stanislaus, for instance, has to multiply their enrollment by 2 (all boys school) and thats why you have a very small school in 4A. Prep and JA would be large 4A at first, but could slip into 5A quickly. JA and Prep are playoff teams in most sports 4A (especially considering their district would be Florence, Richland, Raymond, Mendenhall, etc.) but would struggle in basketball. 5A would be a different story, as they would be with Ridgeland, Pearl and some of the JPS schools.
This would be a great move for the private schools if they want to. It will kill the MAIS gravy train but would be a great move for the schools.
is people that say that Prep couldn't compete in 5A, and yet, they're 2-1 against Pearl, with the one loss being an OT loss by three. And ones of those wins was AT Pearl.
JA obviously could compete to since they beat Prep twice. They haven't played any public schools for some reason, though.
I'm not saying that Prep would win 5A, but I think they would be a playoff team for sure.
I'd like to see them play Madison Central.
JA obviously could compete to since they beat Prep twice. They haven't played any public schools for some reason, though.
I'm not saying that Prep would win 5A, but I think they would be a playoff team for sure.
I'd like to see them play Madison Central.
the head umpire in that St Stan vs Prep game is the president of our duck camp near Isola......we got to talking about that game, and Favre in general.....he said if St Stan plays that game 10 times, they win 9 times..... said St STan had to take a bus ride 4.5 hours without airconditioning to that game, and nearly their entire team plays both ways....added a couple of fluke bad luck plays and they still should have won the game.....
I agree with him.....Prep could compete in 3A, and that seems about right.....I dont think they are as good as StSTan
I agree with him.....Prep could compete in 3A, and that seems about right.....I dont think they are as good as StSTan
what class they're in. Could they beat South Panola? No. But no one else can either.
You have people like MRA beating St. Andrew's as well. The private schools have held their own against teams that are a similar size to them.
Let's be honest here- people see a bunch of white kids and assume that they can't play. But that's not always the case.
If beating people on the field isn't proof, I don't know what else will change people's minds.
You have people like MRA beating St. Andrew's as well. The private schools have held their own against teams that are a similar size to them.
Let's be honest here- people see a bunch of white kids and assume that they can't play. But that's not always the case.
If beating people on the field isn't proof, I don't know what else will change people's minds.
join MHSAA the will be classified as 3A to begin with. Their main hold up is how girls sports will be affected. If I understood correctly soccer and softball overlap in MHSAA and not in MAIS.
i played basketball at a 4a high school and we never had a team finish above .500... we played parklane academy in a summer league game and we beat them 81-29... they literally did not get the ball across halfcourt against our starters... we were pulled soon and did not play the rest of the game... i know we're talking about football and i know prep has a very good football team but for the most part acadamies just cant compete
But the fact remains that AS A WHOLE most of these public schools can't compete against schools of similar size. I went to public school, but one of my best friends was a coach at a mid-tier private school, and I went to a lot of games, and they just simply aren't good enough.
dawgatUSM said:
Lamar School could certainly beat some public schools its size. Simpson Academy, Magnolia Heights, Centreville Academy...I could go on.
And yes, there are some bad teams in the MAIS, but they're bad against other MAIS teams to. The league itself is not bad.
Heck- schools like St. Stanislaus, St. Andrew's, all have played in the MHSAA for YEARS and have had success. The only difference between them and the MAIS schools is that they were in the MHSAA to start with.
jonescountydawg said:
Well I played for a 2a private school and we beat the hell out of Parklane every time we played them. They sucked. What is your point. Parklane would most likely be a 2A public anyway. Bad example.
dawgatUSM said:
You are wrong. Schools comparable in size could compete. Most all of the academy teams would have numbers to make them A. I know where I went to school we would be a single A in public. I hope you aren't arrogant/biased enough to think that a same size private school can't compete with a equal sized public.
Requiem For A Bulldog said:
Besides the race thing, I think that's why people don't understand that private schools would be competitive. People just don't realize how small most private schools are. It's been a while since I was in high school, but back then, only the 4 or 5 largest private schools in the state would have qualified for 3A. Especially in football, private schools would have been competitive. Even if the private schools were a little less athletic, on average, they would probably be better coached. When your team is full of people whose parents can drop $5k or more per kid a year for high school, it's a lot eaiser to do things like load up all of your position players and go to a couple of passing camps, fund good facilities and weight training programs, etc. You might not see a lot of private schools winning state championships at any level, but the ones with good coaches would be consistently competitive against similarly sized schools.
at least judging from the people I know that went there. And especially from the looks of their team (Link to the team's website)
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Johnson85 said:
So, "competitive" doesn't mean being able to win championships. "Competitive" means being able to win a few games here and there. With "better coaching", weight training facilities and passing camps.
I see.
I always wondered what that meant and why people felt the need to bring this topic up over and over again.
If you want competitive to mean winning championships, that means that what, 90% of public schools aren't competitive against public schools? Against similarly sized schools, you'd see the private schools with good coaches consistently going to the playoffs. Pretty much the same thing that public schools with good coaches do.Rabid said:
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I played both 3A academy ball and 2A public and that school is a 3A now due to the classification change. I have always heard that argument that Private Schools can't beat public. Now that private schools have beaten public schools all we hear is, only the big private schools can win. The argument is silly. In reality if the two schools are the same size it is up for grabs.
Can Prep beat North West Rankin? Hell yeah. Could Prep beat South Panola or Madison central? Hell no. But neither could North West Rankin. It is just a silly argument.</p>
Can Prep beat North West Rankin? Hell yeah. Could Prep beat South Panola or Madison central? Hell no. But neither could North West Rankin. It is just a silly argument.</p>
me included, to admit that they probably could compete at their classification level. Prep beat the 4A state champs and they'd probably be a 4A school (despite what someone posted their headmaster said). And as Coach34 said, most private schools would be in 1A or 2A. They'd get blown out by the Taylorsville's and Bassfield's but they'd probably be competitive against most of the other schools.
and can project players prior to entering 7th grade (the youngest grade level at Prep when I was there)
MRA recruited you in the 6th grade? Really? You must have been a child prodigy. It is no question that Richard Duease is the biggest recruiter in the MAIS/MPSA now but to say that MRA offered to pay your tuition when you were a 6th grader is laughable.
Private schools can definitely compete. I played at a AA academy and we played public schools in basketball and baseball in the summer and routinely took them to the woodshed...I also played 1 year at a 4A public school and the only difference was that at the public school I had black kids on my team. Had we had a chance to play schools like west lincoln, enterprise, loyd star etc we probably would have beat the hell out of them too...
Coach34 said:
This argument is kinda like the Boise State/SEC argument.
Sure, Boise can beat a BCS school team here and there. Hell, they might even whip one occasionally.
But there is no way in hell they last through an entire SEC schedule. Its easy to get up for a game or two a year when you know you're playing **** teams the rest of the season.
Prep and JA are going to have as much depth as your 4A's...And in the past, Prep has had more blacks on their team than the Rock-a-Chaws did this year
Its a bogus argument...but I do love the way the script has been flipped in the last 20 years- back then it was- "private schools are scared to play public schools"...now public schools are getting their *** beat and its- "well, they couldnt do it over a whole season".....</p>
When I was at MRA in the mid-80's, we would have pounded MR HS in all 3 sports...of course, at that time, we were filling up junior colleges with players and had two SEC baseball players as well. Not to mention the guys that played ar Delta State...pretty good run of players from 85-90</p>
Its a bogus argument...but I do love the way the script has been flipped in the last 20 years- back then it was- "private schools are scared to play public schools"...now public schools are getting their *** beat and its- "well, they couldnt do it over a whole season".....</p>
When I was at MRA in the mid-80's, we would have pounded MR HS in all 3 sports...of course, at that time, we were filling up junior colleges with players and had two SEC baseball players as well. Not to mention the guys that played ar Delta State...pretty good run of players from 85-90</p>
of course JA or Prep would be able to beat some 4A schools, just like Boise would beat several of the SEC schools.
But, they wouldn't run the table like Boise and the private schools do in their leagues now.
They wouldn't be the teams playing for championships every year.
They would lose a few games every year, and probably have a couple years here and there where they are in a position to win a championship.
But it is idiotic to think they would run the table like they do in public school, just like it is idiotic to think Boise would run the table in the SEC.
But, they wouldn't run the table like Boise and the private schools do in their leagues now.
They wouldn't be the teams playing for championships every year.
They would lose a few games every year, and probably have a couple years here and there where they are in a position to win a championship.
But it is idiotic to think they would run the table like they do in public school, just like it is idiotic to think Boise would run the table in the SEC.
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What? They had a really good black WR/RB(backup) the last two years but who other than that. I wish Prep were more diverse but its not. If they had more blacks at any point then it was like 3 guys compared to 2.
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I know what your saying but but the Boise analogy is pretty inaccurate. At least half of their games were against good opponents. They played 3 VERY good MHSAA and 2-3 good MAIS schools. Prep's biggest games are always against JA, I can't them "getting up" for any other game of the season than those games. I don't think they would be playing for Championships every year but they would definitely be in the discussion and they would definitely make a run at their division and playoffs especially if they were 3A. Believe me or not, this was a down year for Prep and they beat the 4A champs, Forest who was ranked in top 5 of 3A until their best player got hurt against Prep, and lost close game against Pearl with a controversial call against Prep's winning TD. Last year (maybe 2 years ago) they were really good, they stomped Pearl (41-0) and Newton (24-0, i think Newton was undefeated the rest of that regular season). That team would have been very interesting to watch if they were in MHSAA. No one is saying they have superior athletes but they do have superior facilities and good coaches. And like a poster said earlier, the parents are able to send their kids to all kinds of high profile football camps. That means a TON in highschool football in my opinion.
What? They had a really good black WR/RB(backup) the last two years but who other than that. I wish Prep were more diverse but its not. If they had more blacks at any point then it was like 3 guys compared to 2.
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I know what your saying but but the Boise analogy is pretty inaccurate. At least half of their games were against good opponents. They played 3 VERY good MHSAA and 2-3 good MAIS schools. Prep's biggest games are always against JA, I can't them "getting up" for any other game of the season than those games. I don't think they would be playing for Championships every year but they would definitely be in the discussion and they would definitely make a run at their division and playoffs especially if they were 3A. Believe me or not, this was a down year for Prep and they beat the 4A champs, Forest who was ranked in top 5 of 3A until their best player got hurt against Prep, and lost close game against Pearl with a controversial call against Prep's winning TD. Last year (maybe 2 years ago) they were really good, they stomped Pearl (41-0) and Newton (24-0, i think Newton was undefeated the rest of that regular season). That team would have been very interesting to watch if they were in MHSAA. No one is saying they have superior athletes but they do have superior facilities and good coaches. And like a poster said earlier, the parents are able to send their kids to all kinds of high profile football camps. That means a TON in highschool football in my opinion.
When you have been at a school winning championships for 26 years, kids and their parents tend to want to play there. Example in point, South Panola doesn't recruit kids to play football there; kids just want to play for a great program, and Richard has built a great program at MRA.