Anybody watch Bama and LSU today? Not that impressed
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LSU had all kinds of chances to take that game and they just flat out couldn't. At one point, I think LSU had attempted 5 FT's to bama's 25... I do not understand why such an inconsequential program gets such a homecourt advantage.
The West is wide open... I didn't expect us to beat upig. It will be interesting to see if we can keep up the shooting. Our defense may be what keeps us in the West race. Today, it looks like it will be between us and upig... but, that is subject to change week-by-week. The SEC is stacked with mediocrity this year.
Big props to Stansbury for pulling this one out. The dude can coach... I just hope the transfer bug is over.
I also think that this game was personal for Stans... upig beat his alma mater, Campbellsville, 103-58 in an exhibition game earlier this year!!11!</p>
The West is wide open... I didn't expect us to beat upig. It will be interesting to see if we can keep up the shooting. Our defense may be what keeps us in the West race. Today, it looks like it will be between us and upig... but, that is subject to change week-by-week. The SEC is stacked with mediocrity this year.
Big props to Stansbury for pulling this one out. The dude can coach... I just hope the transfer bug is over.
I also think that this game was personal for Stans... upig beat his alma mater, Campbellsville, 103-58 in an exhibition game earlier this year!!11!</p>
actually point to Gottfried as being a better coach because he took Bama to the Elite 8 several years ago (with the help of playing the biggest travesty of a #1 seed in the history of the tournament in the second round - Before that tournament started I told a friend of mine that I didn't have a clue who would win the Bama-SIU 8-9 game but I guaranteed whichever one won would take Stanford out in the 2nd).
I could easily see us losing to Bama this week (not if we keep shooting like the last 3 games). We seem to have been fired up for them at home the last few years, so hopefully we'll win. In our next 10 games, we have 6 at home (all winnable) & 4 on the road (might have a chance at Georgia & Auburn, be tough to win @ UK & LSU). We have 3 road games in the last 5 (@ Bama, @UT, & @ UM), which will be tough.
I also think Gottfried is gone after this year if he doesn't either win the West or make the NCAA tourney.
I also think Gottfried is gone after this year if he doesn't either win the West or make the NCAA tourney.
winning the West over a bunch of teams with losing SEC records doesnt carry as much weight as getting to the Sweet 16 with the best teams in the nation. Winning the East is a different story, where it is much harder..and I would still prefer a Sweet 16 over winning the East...a division crown in basketball and baseball just isnt that important now matter how you try to spin itwpnetdawg said:
I wouldn't even necessarily disagree with you from a perception standpoint, the Sweet 16 may be more important. I just think from a difficulty standpoint, it is harder to win the West. The West, while not as rugged as the East by any means, is still pretty rugged.
In 3 of the 4 years in which State has won the West in the Stansbury era, the conference has been ranked #1 or #2 in the conference RPI and a number of other different computer ratings. It would be mathematically impossible for the conference to attain such a high rating if an entire half of the conference were the anchor some have made it out to be.
In 3 of the 4 years in which State has won the West in the Stansbury era, the conference has been ranked #1 or #2 in the conference RPI and a number of other different computer ratings. It would be mathematically impossible for the conference to attain such a high rating if an entire half of the conference were the anchor some have made it out to be.
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Really? That's the first I've heard of the way you feel. Thanks for sharing that with us.
It is a significant accomplishment to win the division.
Since the 01-02 year, we've gone 14-2 and 12-4 to win 2 of the division titles. 9-7 managed to win another, but we've also gone 10-6 and 9-7 and finished 2nd and 3rd respectively. The 10-6 year, Alabama won the West and the SEC title. The 8-8 division title was an aberration when you look at the history of things instead of making dumb blanket statements.
Here's another way to look at it. Since the split, the West has won 6 overall titles and shared 1. The East has won 10 and shared 1. Yes, the East has traditionally been the better division with Kentucky, and the emergence of Florida. But the West holds its own. Your running down of the West is just another way for you to **** on Rick Stansbury, when in reality, it is not based on fact at all.
Since the split, Western Division titles:
State - won or shared 6
Arkansas - won or shared 4
Ole Miss - won or shared 4
LSU - won or shared 3
Alabama - won or shared 2
Auburn - won 1
When you further consider that all 4 of Arkansas' won or shared division titles were the first 4 years of the expanded league, the gap between us and the rest of the West is even bigger.
Since the 01-02 year, we've gone 14-2 and 12-4 to win 2 of the division titles. 9-7 managed to win another, but we've also gone 10-6 and 9-7 and finished 2nd and 3rd respectively. The 10-6 year, Alabama won the West and the SEC title. The 8-8 division title was an aberration when you look at the history of things instead of making dumb blanket statements.
Here's another way to look at it. Since the split, the West has won 6 overall titles and shared 1. The East has won 10 and shared 1. Yes, the East has traditionally been the better division with Kentucky, and the emergence of Florida. But the West holds its own. Your running down of the West is just another way for you to **** on Rick Stansbury, when in reality, it is not based on fact at all.
Since the split, Western Division titles:
State - won or shared 6
Arkansas - won or shared 4
Ole Miss - won or shared 4
LSU - won or shared 3
Alabama - won or shared 2
Auburn - won 1
When you further consider that all 4 of Arkansas' won or shared division titles were the first 4 years of the expanded league, the gap between us and the rest of the West is even bigger.
"But the West holds its own. Your running down of the West is just another way for you to **** on Rick Stansbury, when in reality, it is not based on fact at all."
the SEC East has had a winning record vs the SEC West the last 9 years- thats a fact. How is the West holding its own again? Idiot
the SEC East has had a winning record vs the SEC West the last 9 years- thats a fact. How is the West holding its own again? Idiot
you completely ignored where I stated that the East is the better division. You make it sound like it's like the NBA vs. Academy AA, though.
Nothing short of a final four appearance really matters to any decent college basketball program. You and a couple others keep saying how an Elite 8 or even a Sweet 16 appearance is much better than a Western Division title, yet I bet that you'd probably have to sit down for 5-10 minutes to think of even half the teams that made the Sweet 16 last year. I agree that a Western Division title isn't anything to start a parade over, but I don't see a Sweet 16 run as being lightyears ahead of it in importance either. Truthfully speaking, the top 20 or so programs in the country don't give two ***** about either one.
That being said, we're not a Top 20 program in the country nor have we really ever been. That's why I can still commend Stans for what he's done over the last 10 years. Also, just because the SEC has been somewhat down the last couple years in b-ball, it's not like that's been the norm over the last decade. Stansbury's teams have done very well during years when the conference was much better.
That being said, we're not a Top 20 program in the country nor have we really ever been. That's why I can still commend Stans for what he's done over the last 10 years. Also, just because the SEC has been somewhat down the last couple years in b-ball, it's not like that's been the norm over the last decade. Stansbury's teams have done very well during years when the conference was much better.
I don't see a Sweet 16 as being all that special either. Somehow, if Stansbury had been to a couple of Sweet 16s, but maybe won only one division championship, I think a lot of the current detractors would complain about his inability to win over the course of the regular season.
The first and most important goal is to "win", winning the west does mean something. I'm amazed that folks on SixPack think it's not important or it's not important in winning the west. Truth of the matter is folks who think like that really don't understand coaching nor basketball! I promise every coach in the the west sets the first goal for their team and thats to win and the second goal is win the west then the SEC and so on!
Stans does a good job and believe me we should be happy he is our coach and quit talking about we can do better, better enjoy the ride, good example, Bob Boyd was a so called "expert" in x's and o's and he was a bust at Msu.
Stans does a good job and believe me we should be happy he is our coach and quit talking about we can do better, better enjoy the ride, good example, Bob Boyd was a so called "expert" in x's and o's and he was a bust at Msu.