olemiss bound, but that he may be a pawn to string us along as long as possible with the intention of making it difficult for us to sign a QB in this class? That would be their jab at us this year. This has been in the back of my mind for a couple of days. I'd like to be wrong.
Anyone else get the feeling that not only is Liggins
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olemiss bound, but that he may be a pawn to string us along as long as possible with the intention of making it difficult for us to sign a QB in this class? That would be their jab at us this year. This has been in the back of my mind for a couple of days. I'd like to be wrong.
I think he's coming to State. And I know that, as of tonight, our coaches know where he's going. If you see us offer the GA QB or if he cancels his visit, then you'll know whether Liggins is coming here.
They will grab Scheusler or whatever his name is. I may be wrong, but with Ole Miss's class looking the way it does right now, I just don't think they are as interested in playing the "let's piss off MSU game" currently. They have too much pressure on them to get a few commits, plus they know that we have a great class anyway with or without Liggins. Once agin, just my opinion, but Freeze may want to string together a few wins before he starts getting show boaty with recruits.
but Yancy made a post a few days ago that made me wonder the same thing. It said something along the lines of the fact that Liggins had been true to his word with our staff, and he had done everything he said he would do to this point.
It was very cryptic, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility that what he told them was that he was going to take his visits and may even let other staffs believe they have a better shot at him than they do, but in the end he would sign with us. I could be reading too much conspiracy into the comment, but the way it was written made me think there was some sort of understanding.
My guess would be if there is some sort of understanding, it's being driven by Liggins wanting to play the recruiting process. We'll see though soon enough.
It was very cryptic, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility that what he told them was that he was going to take his visits and may even let other staffs believe they have a better shot at him than they do, but in the end he would sign with us. I could be reading too much conspiracy into the comment, but the way it was written made me think there was some sort of understanding.
My guess would be if there is some sort of understanding, it's being driven by Liggins wanting to play the recruiting process. We'll see though soon enough.
Freeze has his hands full right now with less than a week (fax machines crank up at 8am next Wed.) and he's got to lock in the rest of his class. If he thinks he has time to try to be cute to appease his fans with some sort of 'hat trick' maneuver then so be it.
But as far as Yancy goes there is nothing that excites his sheep more than letting them think that the OM staff is pulling something over on us.My guess is he's probably going to sign with Ole Miss but he did give MSU a chance. Somehow his flirtations with Mullen will be turned into some sort of uber crootin' victory by the Spirit Crowd.
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But as far as Yancy goes there is nothing that excites his sheep more than letting them think that the OM staff is pulling something over on us.My guess is he's probably going to sign with Ole Miss but he did give MSU a chance. Somehow his flirtations with Mullen will be turned into some sort of uber crootin' victory by the Spirit Crowd.
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I know conspiracies are fun, and makes recruiting even more "fun" to follow, but if you think a high school kid is putting this much thought into where he is going to school and is simply trying to drive a stake in the heart of MSU or Ole Miss, you are grossly overestimating how seriously recruits take this.
One thing that I have learned is that the actual recruits/players, for the most part, don't care about the rivalry **** and TSUN or MOOU crap. Most of them were friends in high school. and are friends when they play each other. Wayne Dorsey and the OT for y'all this year (Name escapes me and Im too lazy to look up) were good friends, and they treat school like a means to an end. Not like some type of cage match like most of the posters on here, the spirit, and genespage do.
I've only known one kid that was on the Top 10 most wanted list for as long as they have been doing it, and I still remember asking him why he was going to LSU instead of the in-state schools, and his response was all too simple "I thought Coach Saban was the coolest coach out of all them" That was it. This was back in 2000 or 2001, can't remember the year but the kid ended up being right about Saban.
I would think Mullen has proven more than most coaches that recruiting rankings don't mean **** unless the players want to come in and work hard and fit a system that utilizes their talent. At the end of the day, the only players that are probably going to have any impact at all on next year's teams for either school are Autry, the Juco OL that we both signed, Ward, and possibly Quay Evans if he enrolls in January. I think thats about it. If Liggins shows up under 270 lbs at either school he could have an impact as well. For the most part the rest of the players won't play much, and they certainly won't start.
Maybe Liggins is part of some vast Black Bear conspiracy contrived by Coach Freeze immediately after he was hired, or maybe Liggins is an Oxford kid and wants to announce on the square, and could even announce for MSU there. Its possible. Breaking out the dog pound rock on the square would certainly make him MSU's favorite signee since Derek Pegues.
One thing that I have learned is that the actual recruits/players, for the most part, don't care about the rivalry **** and TSUN or MOOU crap. Most of them were friends in high school. and are friends when they play each other. Wayne Dorsey and the OT for y'all this year (Name escapes me and Im too lazy to look up) were good friends, and they treat school like a means to an end. Not like some type of cage match like most of the posters on here, the spirit, and genespage do.
I've only known one kid that was on the Top 10 most wanted list for as long as they have been doing it, and I still remember asking him why he was going to LSU instead of the in-state schools, and his response was all too simple "I thought Coach Saban was the coolest coach out of all them" That was it. This was back in 2000 or 2001, can't remember the year but the kid ended up being right about Saban.
I would think Mullen has proven more than most coaches that recruiting rankings don't mean **** unless the players want to come in and work hard and fit a system that utilizes their talent. At the end of the day, the only players that are probably going to have any impact at all on next year's teams for either school are Autry, the Juco OL that we both signed, Ward, and possibly Quay Evans if he enrolls in January. I think thats about it. If Liggins shows up under 270 lbs at either school he could have an impact as well. For the most part the rest of the players won't play much, and they certainly won't start.
Maybe Liggins is part of some vast Black Bear conspiracy contrived by Coach Freeze immediately after he was hired, or maybe Liggins is an Oxford kid and wants to announce on the square, and could even announce for MSU there. Its possible. Breaking out the dog pound rock on the square would certainly make him MSU's favorite signee since Derek Pegues.
Three thoughts:
1.He is going to state but wants to visit other schools because he understands that once he commits to Miss State the visits are over. Plus you know what kind of hell he would catch living in Oxford. He is just buying time to be able to enjoy the recruiting process before he signs. I think if he was going to Ole Miss he would have committed to them already.
2.One week left. You have to wonder what is going through his head. It could also be a case where he is 50/50 between State and Ole Miss and just can't make up his mind.
3. He is waiting to see how much Auburn is willing to pay him. Let me fix that. How much they are willing to pay his dad.
1.He is going to state but wants to visit other schools because he understands that once he commits to Miss State the visits are over. Plus you know what kind of hell he would catch living in Oxford. He is just buying time to be able to enjoy the recruiting process before he signs. I think if he was going to Ole Miss he would have committed to them already.
2.One week left. You have to wonder what is going through his head. It could also be a case where he is 50/50 between State and Ole Miss and just can't make up his mind.
3. He is waiting to see how much Auburn is willing to pay him. Let me fix that. How much they are willing to pay his dad.
I would be in shock and awe to me if he didn't. They can't afford to let someone from lafayette cty go to state they might as well pack it in if they do. He was at lsu this weekend "taking care of and watching over om" recruits and such. he is gone, but by all means 8 qb's signing is not enough I don't think.
..scout.com has him as a 3 star 6-4, 260 QB.
If this guy is going to maintain the physique of a QB in college, he is going to have to possess the discipline of a Shaolin priest.
You people are acting like he's is a as big a program changer as Vince Young was for Texas.
Outside of the pure MSU vs. OM bickering over a recruit, I don't see the appeal of Liggins (Mullen is not going to allow a guy that weights 270 lbs to play QB @ MSU).
If this guy is going to maintain the physique of a QB in college, he is going to have to possess the discipline of a Shaolin priest.
You people are acting like he's is a as big a program changer as Vince Young was for Texas.
Outside of the pure MSU vs. OM bickering over a recruit, I don't see the appeal of Liggins (Mullen is not going to allow a guy that weights 270 lbs to play QB @ MSU).
the drama about his recruitment is always blown out of proportion. Liggins is that guy this year.
RebelBruiser said:
so was 'this understanding' before or after Freeze offered Bo Wallace while Liggins was there on campus?
If Liggins 'really' wants to play QB, does he really join this group?
Mikhail Miller
CJ Beathard
Bo Wallace
Jeremy Liggins
Heard that Miller is ok with TE even though he has never played it, but does OM sign 'four' QBs in one class?
and yes I think it would be wise to sign them all if we could. Stoudt and Mackey are rising seniors. Brunetti will be a junior. That's all we have on the roster for scholarship QBs, and none of them have proven to be that good. That means that by 2013 we will be down to 1 scholarship QB and by 2014, we have none.
So by adding 3 scholarship QBs, we'll have one senior (Brunetti), one junior (Wallace), and two second year QBs (Liggins/Beathard) on our roster by 2013, and by 2014, we'll have one senior (Wallace), and two third year QBs (Liggins/Beathard), plus anything else we add.
Ultimately, I think you want to have 4 scholarship QBs on the roster each year at least. We will have 6 in 2012, but that'll drop to 4 by 2013.
Outside of that, I would imagine that Liggins feels he's better than Wallace and Beathard, so I doubt he's concerned with joining them in a signing class, especially when Wallace was originally slated to be a walk on for us. Given that we will be having an offense that relies a lot on the abilities of the QB, I think it's prudent from our end to sign them all.
On Miller, I've heard it insinuated that he knows Shumpert, and that may be part of the reason we're taking him on as a TE, just to have him on the roster to help with Shumpert.
So by adding 3 scholarship QBs, we'll have one senior (Brunetti), one junior (Wallace), and two second year QBs (Liggins/Beathard) on our roster by 2013, and by 2014, we'll have one senior (Wallace), and two third year QBs (Liggins/Beathard), plus anything else we add.
Ultimately, I think you want to have 4 scholarship QBs on the roster each year at least. We will have 6 in 2012, but that'll drop to 4 by 2013.
Outside of that, I would imagine that Liggins feels he's better than Wallace and Beathard, so I doubt he's concerned with joining them in a signing class, especially when Wallace was originally slated to be a walk on for us. Given that we will be having an offense that relies a lot on the abilities of the QB, I think it's prudent from our end to sign them all.
On Miller, I've heard it insinuated that he knows Shumpert, and that may be part of the reason we're taking him on as a TE, just to have him on the roster to help with Shumpert.
RonnyAtmosphere said:
I don't think anybody thinks he is a program changer. But it's also a scary proposition knowing that we only have 2 qbs on scholarship. With the 2 options being Liggins or stealing a QB from MTSU, Liggins is the option that elicits the most fanfare. He's from Mississippi, the Rebels backyard, and he has the body type to fit Mullen's scheme which is what we need with a guy who could possibly be forced into playing. The MSU vs OM bickering is just a fun bonus.
even if overweight. If the guy is a bust at QB, we move him to another position where he can contribute. That is a much better in my opinion than signing a guy that will likely be a backup for 4-5 years - or transfer out at 2 years.
IF you got the right 3. Beathard is the one I'm having trouble buying of the 3. Reason being, you've got 2 seniors and a junior currently on roster, Wallace would give you a soph, Liggins would give you a fr, and Beathard could give you a rs fresh...essentially fixing the qb depth issue in one season.
My only issue with that is, you've got MUCH more immediately pressing issues than qb depth. I'm somewhat questioning Freeze's abilities as a roster/needs evaluator(not questioning him as a recruiter), because it seems he's trying to "fix" the depth at the qb and rb positions in a single(first) year, when he really needs to be stocking up on line talent on both sides(every year). He's got to balance the class out, regardless of overall talent level, IMO. I understand that he is in a tough spot this year, and he may not have much choice, but IMO this method of(single position) recruiting will allow for streaky success, but can never be sustained. One thing that Mullen has been the best we've ever had, is at balancing the classes, redshirting, at times sacrificing the present for the future(not burning Russell's redshirt when he was the best qb we had from midseason on in 2009) and building depth across the board (our current qb situation notwithstanding). We're to the point now that we've got really 3 positions of concern going forward, o-line(got nearly 20 bodies), qb, wr(after next season). On defense, we have stockpiled enough quality depth that we can just reload without alot of drop off practically every position...
Freeze NEEDS to worry less about Liggins and more about putting the full court press on the 4* Blinn rb that decomitted from A&M. He needs someone(other than just Jeff Scott) to bridge the gap to Mathers. He does NOT need to throw that kid to the wolves as a true freshman in the rb position in the SEC, JMO
My only issue with that is, you've got MUCH more immediately pressing issues than qb depth. I'm somewhat questioning Freeze's abilities as a roster/needs evaluator(not questioning him as a recruiter), because it seems he's trying to "fix" the depth at the qb and rb positions in a single(first) year, when he really needs to be stocking up on line talent on both sides(every year). He's got to balance the class out, regardless of overall talent level, IMO. I understand that he is in a tough spot this year, and he may not have much choice, but IMO this method of(single position) recruiting will allow for streaky success, but can never be sustained. One thing that Mullen has been the best we've ever had, is at balancing the classes, redshirting, at times sacrificing the present for the future(not burning Russell's redshirt when he was the best qb we had from midseason on in 2009) and building depth across the board (our current qb situation notwithstanding). We're to the point now that we've got really 3 positions of concern going forward, o-line(got nearly 20 bodies), qb, wr(after next season). On defense, we have stockpiled enough quality depth that we can just reload without alot of drop off practically every position...
Freeze NEEDS to worry less about Liggins and more about putting the full court press on the 4* Blinn rb that decomitted from A&M. He needs someone(other than just Jeff Scott) to bridge the gap to Mathers. He does NOT need to throw that kid to the wolves as a true freshman in the rb position in the SEC, JMO
Obviously you can't completely ignore other positions, but those two are the biggest holes on our roster right now. With 2 of our 3 QBs on the roster rising seniors (one of which I still have doubts will actually make it to fall camp without getting booted), we need QBs NOW. With only one returning tailback with true playing experience (one I think is questionable as to whether he avoids getting booted before fall camp as well), we need 3 or 4 tailbacks NOW. Keep in mind that Mike Hilton and Sheldon Dawson are both being recruiting primarily as corners, not tailbacks, so we still could use another body there.
Do you think our staff is only recruiting one player? You act like Liggins is the only guy we're still trying to sign. We're pushing hard for the RB from Blinn. We're still pushing hard for more on the DL and OL. On the OL, we have two Jucos signed, and we have two HS players committed with one spot still to fill. Due to the short window to try to build relationships, it looks like we're going to miss out on a few Plan A's at the line spots, but we have back up plans on both lines that they still plan to sign.
Freeze wants a couple WRs as well, even though that's a position where we have some solid bodies. He wants more because his offense requires 8-10 for a rotation, and we're still trying to land a couple of those. He's still pushing for a few more LBs and DBs as well, because we need some depth there for now and the future.
Based on what I've seen, I think our staff is doing a good job trying to attack the needs we have that are both immediate and future. Given that it's a transition class, some of those spots will be filled with back up plans, but they aren't ignoring the needs we have to try to sign Liggins. He's very much a need at a need position.
Do you think our staff is only recruiting one player? You act like Liggins is the only guy we're still trying to sign. We're pushing hard for the RB from Blinn. We're still pushing hard for more on the DL and OL. On the OL, we have two Jucos signed, and we have two HS players committed with one spot still to fill. Due to the short window to try to build relationships, it looks like we're going to miss out on a few Plan A's at the line spots, but we have back up plans on both lines that they still plan to sign.
Freeze wants a couple WRs as well, even though that's a position where we have some solid bodies. He wants more because his offense requires 8-10 for a rotation, and we're still trying to land a couple of those. He's still pushing for a few more LBs and DBs as well, because we need some depth there for now and the future.
Based on what I've seen, I think our staff is doing a good job trying to attack the needs we have that are both immediate and future. Given that it's a transition class, some of those spots will be filled with back up plans, but they aren't ignoring the needs we have to try to sign Liggins. He's very much a need at a need position.
If Liggins was from Arcola, he'd still have a lot of offers, but I don't think it would be even close to the circus it is now.
State wants to be able to say they took a top recruit from Ole Miss' hometown, and Ole Miss will be damned if they get punked by State again in a very public manner.
State wants to be able to say they took a top recruit from Ole Miss' hometown, and Ole Miss will be damned if they get punked by State again in a very public manner.
DavidKellumNicknameGenerator said:
Funny thing is, we have a history of failing to get hometown kids. I'd say it's almost more difficult for us to sign a player from Oxford than one from Senatobia, because the one from Oxford often wants to go experience something different. I know that where I grew up, most people wanted to go away for college, because they wanted something different, wanted to get away from their parents, all that stuff.
Justin Woodall, Matt Malouf, and Jonathan Frink are just a couple off the top of my head I can remember in the last 5 or so years that all went elsewhere, even though we were recruiting all of them heavily. I'm sure I'm missing someone, but historically, it's not like Oxford is a pipeline to Ole Miss. Since it's a small town, I would think a lot of kids would want to get somewhere out from under their parents' umbrella.
Randall Mackey
Zack Stoudt
Barry Brunetti
Mikail Miller
Bo Wallace
CJ Beathard
Jeremy Liggins
Can you imagine asking a member of an SEC team what position he plays and his response is: "Oh, Im the 7th string QB at Ole Miss"
Zack Stoudt
Barry Brunetti
Mikail Miller
Bo Wallace
CJ Beathard
Jeremy Liggins
Can you imagine asking a member of an SEC team what position he plays and his response is: "Oh, Im the 7th string QB at Ole Miss"
so it's 6 for next year.
Obviously, I don't think that's normal, but given the staff changeover, and the change in plans for the offense, I don't think it's all that abnormal. 2/3 of Nutt's QBs will be gone by 2013, and the other will be gone by 2014. Freeze is bringing in his own guys, if not to play this year, to play by 2013 more than likely.
On that subject, I always liked the story of Archie Manning, in the days before the internet and the days before scholarship limitations. He was told he was the guy they were recruiting at QB. He showed up and was one of 7 freshmen QBs Vaught brought in that year. Obviously, he beat them out and took the starting job his sophomore year, but it was funny to me the way they would do that. They'd bring in 85 players in a signing class sometimes and whittle it down to the best 25 or so.
ETA: The funny thing is, even if Liggins signs with us and we have 6 scholarship QBs next fall, he actually stands a better chance to play sooner with us than he would at MSU where Mullen already has two of his own QBs signed, one a rising junior, and the other a redshirt freshman. Liggins's main competition for the future would be a rising junior Freeze didn't recruit (Brunetti), a sophomore Juco transfer that Freeze originally was trying to get to walk on, and another freshman from his same class.
Obviously, I don't think that's normal, but given the staff changeover, and the change in plans for the offense, I don't think it's all that abnormal. 2/3 of Nutt's QBs will be gone by 2013, and the other will be gone by 2014. Freeze is bringing in his own guys, if not to play this year, to play by 2013 more than likely.
On that subject, I always liked the story of Archie Manning, in the days before the internet and the days before scholarship limitations. He was told he was the guy they were recruiting at QB. He showed up and was one of 7 freshmen QBs Vaught brought in that year. Obviously, he beat them out and took the starting job his sophomore year, but it was funny to me the way they would do that. They'd bring in 85 players in a signing class sometimes and whittle it down to the best 25 or so.
ETA: The funny thing is, even if Liggins signs with us and we have 6 scholarship QBs next fall, he actually stands a better chance to play sooner with us than he would at MSU where Mullen already has two of his own QBs signed, one a rising junior, and the other a redshirt freshman. Liggins's main competition for the future would be a rising junior Freeze didn't recruit (Brunetti), a sophomore Juco transfer that Freeze originally was trying to get to walk on, and another freshman from his same class.