Anyone else watching Cincinnati tonight?
- Thread starter larry the cable guy
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You are correct in the last part of your post. UK looked awesome against Charlotte, not so awesome against Vandy the week prior and Louisville the week after.
However, I'm going to throw the BS flag on the statement I have bolded. OK - let's do some simple math. There are 11 positions on defense, and assuming a first team and second team All-American, that's 22 players that can be named All-American. Going by your assertion, the entire All-American contingent would be made of SEC players and that's just not going to happen.
I guess we'll find out fairly soon if Gran is the man or not. I'm certainly OK with it - would have liked to have a better effort by the Bearcats, but for reasons already pointed out in this thread, they weren't really in the ballgame from the get-go.
Don't just hire the SDSU Offensive coordinator,hire the entire staff !!!!
The SDSU offensive and defensive units were very impressive.Much better than we have seen at UK the past three years.
How about that walk-on fullback?The games mvp.
Why is everyone so convinced that Gran is the man? Because a couple of bloggers have said so? I did some quick "background" on Gran during halftime.
Gran has been virtually a lifetime coach with Tubs, almost 20 years at 3 schools (MS, AU and Cincy). He will be 51 this July and has not been a name you hear mentioned for HC jobs. Might be safe to say he is "career assistant". While going from OC at Cincy to OC at UK might be a resume builder for a "young" guy it seems to me pretty much a lateral move for a guy that has been around as long as he has. He may be at a career point where "stability and security" mean more than "opportunity".
On that point, JMO, but I think Tubs is more secure at Cincy that CMS at UK. There will be considerable pressure on UK to perform next year and anyone joining CMS's staff should consider the real possibility it could be just a 2 year run. Gran makes about $370K at Cincy but per the game reporters said Tubs is working a new deal with Cincy and trying to get raises for assistants. UK paid Brown and Dawson about $550K and would likely offer Gran about the same. If Cincy ups his pay to say, $450K, would the "risk" at UK be worth the extra $100K? I don't know but I guess we will all know soon.
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Gran has been virtually a lifetime coach with Tubs, almost 20 years at 3 schools (MS, AU and Cincy). He will be 51 this July and has not been a name you hear mentioned for HC jobs. Might be safe to say he is "career assistant". While going from OC at Cincy to OC at UK might be a resume builder for a "young" guy it seems to me pretty much a lateral move for a guy that has been around as long as he has. He may be at a career point where "stability and security" mean more than "opportunity".
On that point, JMO, but I think Tubs is more secure at Cincy that CMS at UK. There will be considerable pressure on UK to perform next year and anyone joining CMS's staff should consider the real possibility it could be just a 2 year run. Gran makes about $370K at Cincy but per the game reporters said Tubs is working a new deal with Cincy and trying to get raises for assistants. UK paid Brown and Dawson about $550K and would likely offer Gran about the same. If Cincy ups his pay to say, $450K, would the "risk" at UK be worth the extra $100K? I don't know but I guess we will all know soon.
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The old our offensive coordinator is leaving so we'll lay an egg against SD State excuse. That's creative right there.
Kind of like how so many in the BBN thought UK has turned the corner against SC?
Does it really even matter who the OC is when you have a head coach that's had 3 years and proved he can't coach!!
Wasn't exactly the Christmas present Mitch was wanting/needing was it.....
My dad (who is up in years) said that he was impressed with Cincy's offense and the new hire, Until we told him he had the teams mixed up! - Made for a good Christmas memory though!
Watched the 1st half and that was rough. As some have already pointed out, it looked like the UK O as far as results and competency - which is not good. I can give Gran a slight pass due to the starting QB being out but still be concerned. Again, it was not like their backup hadn't thrown for almost 2000 yards and had 3 weeks of bowl practice to get ready.
Yes, UC ran up some great numbers but I bet UK and Dawson's offense would have looked much better against their schedule. At UK, you're playing against defenses with a ton more talent than SD St on a weekly basis. So if he is the man, he better get ready.
Yes, UC ran up some great numbers but I bet UK and Dawson's offense would have looked much better against their schedule. At UK, you're playing against defenses with a ton more talent than SD St on a weekly basis. So if he is the man, he better get ready.
This is what happens with an offensive co-ordinator of an over hyped team when they finally face a sure enough tough team. If he comes here he'll come with that experience and feel right at home in the SEC.
As to him being without a quarterback, again, welcome to UK football and the SEC.
As to him being without a quarterback, again, welcome to UK football and the SEC.
folks he's going to be playing top defenses full of all American caliber talent every weekend at UK...
No one said SDSU wasn't good...they're very good...no one is degrading their D...but South Alabama and Hawaii managed to score a couple on them...
SDSU was playing with out their starting QB, they we're on a "vacation" just as much as Cinci...
Look...I understand everyone has a pooper of a game...I understand the Eddie gran has a great resume...I understand Cinci offense did well for the most part this season...good enough to get to a bowl...that's all great...
I'm not saying don't hire him, or that he won't do well...just saying I wasn't really all that impressed with the small sample size...
Really hope he is the guy for UK...if he is even really the guy...don't know for sure...
Hope CMS really did his homework rather than just calling a friend he's worked with before...
No one said SDSU wasn't good...they're very good...no one is degrading their D...but South Alabama and Hawaii managed to score a couple on them...
SDSU was playing with out their starting QB, they we're on a "vacation" just as much as Cinci...
Look...I understand everyone has a pooper of a game...I understand the Eddie gran has a great resume...I understand Cinci offense did well for the most part this season...good enough to get to a bowl...that's all great...
I'm not saying don't hire him, or that he won't do well...just saying I wasn't really all that impressed with the small sample size...
Really hope he is the guy for UK...if he is even really the guy...don't know for sure...
Hope CMS really did his homework rather than just calling a friend he's worked with before...
Ah yes, the typical ray of sunshine from the UL crew.
Yeah but in what conference did they achieve that nation's 5th best offense award? [winking]
Yep ^. As much as watching this was A downer it really is silly to form an opinion on it. As Cane said earlier, just go back and watch other Cincy tapes and then evaluate what you really see. Those games and results are just as real as what you saw last night.
It's just like early in our season when EVERYBODY was saying our WR are the best group we've ever had here and 5 weeks later.....these guys suck. Or a thousand other examples just the same. You'd think we'd learn and stop being, I dare say it, so microwave. Includes me
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They might have been a little better if they had played in the SECE this year. UT was the only team that even resembled a P5 offense on that side of the league.
Too bad their offense wouldn't be playing against SEC East offenses. They'd have to score against SEC defenses.
There is no way to spin this if Gran is the hire. If a contract has not been signed MB should insist we look elsewhere .
If Cincy had put of 50 points last night, these same posters who are crucifying him now would be saying that SDSU's D is overrated and he'll never put up 50 against SEC Ds.
These same posters are just posers. Looks like I need to add to the "ignore" list.
These same posters are just posers. Looks like I need to add to the "ignore" list.
So people who aren't impressed with UC's offensive performance against SD State are posers? Let me ask you a few questions:
1. Were you impressed with the performance?
2. Do you think there is cause for concern if he's hired to run UK's O?
3. Do you think it may be easier running up yards against CUSA/Big East defenses (or whatever 2nd tier conference that UC is in) vs. SEC defenses?
4. Is it a bit concerning that Gran had a month to prep a QB who has played quite a bit this year with an offense that was supposedly top 5 and ended up making SD State look like the Steel Curtain?
The plan to beat SDSU was to pound their weakish front with the run game...but Gran's system isn't going to pound the rock at teams...really they have to pass to set up the run game.
The bowl game didn't look game but the system is not highly likely to succeed in SEC>
The bowl game didn't look game but the system is not highly likely to succeed in SEC>
I thought there was speculation the QB or WR coach might come with him, didn't know the DC might come also.
I wouldn't mind if Kiel came with him, especially in light of Phillips transferring. Not sure why he would have transferred unless he knows something we don't.
Tubs still good at Cincy? Stoops at UK? Maybe Gran is important as an OC, even if a career coordinator. Maybe he wants to find his counterpart running a defense and have a Bud Fostereaque career?
Nothing odd about it. It's educational. It's interesting.
I understand these are uncomfortable for some people.
I understand these are uncomfortable for some people.
I think this needs to happen more often. Maybe not this thread. But too often, people just aren't pessimistic, they are arrogant asses on the internet about it. It's not, "man we're playing bad". It's "This team is trash. Fire Stoops tomorrow." And you can't get through to them when they think they're right. So maybe it sinks in better when they see how big a jackass they were while being so wrong.
The message board equivalent of this.
I'm convinced since he abused your defensive coordinator to the tune of almost 600 yards and 41 points.
And blindly believing that everyone Stoops hires is the "bestest ever" is equally dangerous. Remember, he's the same guy who hired Dawson.
I think my questions were legit considering the situation. I am happy Gran worked out. He's definitely proven himself. But that doesn't mean I didn't have grounds for concern watching that bowl game.
Lol... good thing ol eddie didnt listen to you or he would be out of a job.
I'd sa he had a pretty decent first year.. made a lotnof defenses just look comoleteky silly, including UL