Not sure what the deal is there, but that leaves them with 9 verbal commits and a soft verbal and it's almost midway through December. Saving room for all of our decommits I guess...
Anyone see that Batiste withdrew his commitment from OM today?
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Not sure what the deal is there, but that leaves them with 9 verbal commits and a soft verbal and it's almost midway through December. Saving room for all of our decommits I guess...
He also said during the MS/Ala All Star game that Cedric Jiles and Addarius Perkins looked good and their coaching staff could flip them but they didn't think they were quite good enough to bother with it. Somthing to that effect, not verbatim.
There are some good guys out there they can pick up still. The 25 limit will also help them. As disfunctional as their entire AthleticDepartment has been it's still a chance for kids to play in the SEC. Also Southern Miss's class is imploding, and they had a few decent guys that I'm sure Freeze will canibalize. </p>
There are some good guys out there they can pick up still. The 25 limit will also help them. As disfunctional as their entire AthleticDepartment has been it's still a chance for kids to play in the SEC. Also Southern Miss's class is imploding, and they had a few decent guys that I'm sure Freeze will canibalize. </p>
they have 9 solid commits with a soft verbal in mid December and they don't have room? And people still pay to get """""information"""" from this clown? But he had to make up something due to the best recruiter since O, using recruiting loopholes, and he can't sit still due to excitement speech on the freeze hire. I imagine it would be really embarrassing to say that and then commits start falling off the board.
word from the All Star game is both are giving us a more serious look. Big surprise on Alford.
We will also get a good rush end from a JUCO.
We will also get a good rush end from a JUCO.
<span class="storybody">"I decommitted from Ole Miss earlier today," said Jordan Batiste.
"I'm not considering Ole Miss any longer. I told my recruiting coach,
Coach (Gunter) Brewer, and he understood. I wanted to open up my
recruitment to whoever is interested in me. I do like LSU but I'm open to anybody; to whoever wants to recruit me.
http://recruiting.scout.com/2/1138014.html
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"I'm not considering Ole Miss any longer. I told my recruiting coach,
Coach (Gunter) Brewer, and he understood. I wanted to open up my
recruitment to whoever is interested in me. I do like LSU but I'm open to anybody; to whoever wants to recruit me.
http://recruiting.scout.com/2/1138014.html
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its become imperative that we sign a QB in this class IMO. NO WAY we should try to go through a season with 2 scholarship QBs. This league is too physical for that. We certainly need to get one of Alford, Liggins, Mays or Williams. Not sure what our pecking order is on that group. Certainly Alford is towards the top but don't how the baseball risk on him affects what we are thinking with him.
I don't know what our signing class is going to look like, but I know that we have a staff that's actually working on evaluations and not just accepting players at face value.
Considering some of the other QB talent out there, I think it's pretty easy to see why we'd let Miller go. Sucks for Miller to get caught up in the coaching change, but this is the SEC. You don't win by being a nice guy and giving our freebies.
Considering some of the other QB talent out there, I think it's pretty easy to see why we'd let Miller go. Sucks for Miller to get caught up in the coaching change, but this is the SEC. You don't win by being a nice guy and giving our freebies.
You know how I know?
Because if we really wanted him, we'd pay him whatever it takes to keep him around. At least that's what I've learned here. So obviously we chose to part ways with him. Right? Or are we decreasing our payments now?
Because if we really wanted him, we'd pay him whatever it takes to keep him around. At least that's what I've learned here. So obviously we chose to part ways with him. Right? Or are we decreasing our payments now?
"Because if we really wanted him, we'd pay him whatever it takes to keep him around. At least that's what I've learned here."
You didn't learn a damn thing here. I'm not going digging but I can think of 10s of posts that you have made that said you believe you guys didn't pay more last year, you just paid the same while we had the microscope on us because of Newton. Shirley you didn't learn it here because, for God's sake, we all have heard that you know everything already.
You didn't learn a damn thing here. I'm not going digging but I can think of 10s of posts that you have made that said you believe you guys didn't pay more last year, you just paid the same while we had the microscope on us because of Newton. Shirley you didn't learn it here because, for God's sake, we all have heard that you know everything already.
Freeze learned the Orgeron recruiting strategy, which means he gets on it early and pushes for commits early.
I believe ASU had something like 17 commits already when he left. That's a lot for a Sun Belt school that early in the process, since they often have to wait until after the big boys are done to poach the leftovers.
It's safe to say we'll be pushing early offers and early commits going forward.
I believe ASU had something like 17 commits already when he left. That's a lot for a Sun Belt school that early in the process, since they often have to wait until after the big boys are done to poach the leftovers.
It's safe to say we'll be pushing early offers and early commits going forward.
Of course you don't. You don't follow recruiting. But you know enough about recruiting to know that Freeze is a totally different coach when it comes to evaluations and picking a choosing recruits...from a week on the job. And it is perfectly reasonable to think that since O blanket offered every highly rated recruit in the south and beyond while freeze was there. And don't feed us a line about you being familiar with his recruiting at Arkansas State. You are not and don't sit here and insult us by trying to convince us you are. <div>RebelBruiser said:
</div><div>And no it's not easy to see why you would let Miller go. You would be at 9 verbals if the soft verbal bolted. But don't worry right? you will have 15 or 16 quality players that have been fully evaluated, screened, within the rules (or "loopholes") by Feb right? Right. </div><div>
</div><div>Again...Nothing to see at UM. all is well. Things will fall in its place. Flagship...Etc...</div>
during dead periods while rival schools are away playing bowl games and at HS all-star games so everything for them is still on track. In fact I'm sure Lance Pogue already got everything rolling this past week in Mobile.
Since this year will obviously NOT fit into his usual recruiting process... If he miraculously signs a bunch late, something fishy has to be going on, right? Glad we got that on the record
Hell, you signed the majority of the best recruits in state during a coaching change, but you have fans that still believe it was all clean, but that's another story...
I think it's safe to say that players who were heavily interested in us before and during the coaching change will be more than open to being swayed by our new head coach.
I also know that at least one of your commits was familiar with Freeze and is likely to switch to us based on their pre-existing relationship and the fact that Freeze will now be at an SEC school.
Do I expect us to sign a class this year that's as good as what Freeze will normally pull? Probably not. It's a transition class, but I do figure we'll win a handful of battles. New coaches always do, but we won't win a ton of them. So far, Mullen is the only coach I've seen whose best recruiting class was his transition class. That's not the norm though and I don't expect that for Freeze. Before you blast me for saying so, tell me which class Mullen has signed that has more depth and talent than the class that had Banks, Boyd, Bumphis, Cox, Cam Lawrence, McPhee, Perkins, Russell, Skinner, Slay, Chris White, and Whitley. That was one of the best 2 or 3 classes either one of our schools has signed in recent memory. It's still Mullen's best class so far.
I think it's safe to say that you're one of those that's in the club that believes we buy every player we ever sign that you missed on. Glad we have that on record.
I think it's safe to say that players who were heavily interested in us before and during the coaching change will be more than open to being swayed by our new head coach.
I also know that at least one of your commits was familiar with Freeze and is likely to switch to us based on their pre-existing relationship and the fact that Freeze will now be at an SEC school.
Do I expect us to sign a class this year that's as good as what Freeze will normally pull? Probably not. It's a transition class, but I do figure we'll win a handful of battles. New coaches always do, but we won't win a ton of them. So far, Mullen is the only coach I've seen whose best recruiting class was his transition class. That's not the norm though and I don't expect that for Freeze. Before you blast me for saying so, tell me which class Mullen has signed that has more depth and talent than the class that had Banks, Boyd, Bumphis, Cox, Cam Lawrence, McPhee, Perkins, Russell, Skinner, Slay, Chris White, and Whitley. That was one of the best 2 or 3 classes either one of our schools has signed in recent memory. It's still Mullen's best class so far.
I think it's safe to say that you're one of those that's in the club that believes we buy every player we ever sign that you missed on. Glad we have that on record.
1. Mullen walked into a good situation, held it together, and added guys he had recruited while he was at Florida. Bumphis was going to sign with Florida hadMullen not gotten the job at State, Mullen was his recruiter at Florida. Darius Slay was another kid he recruited from Ga while at Florida, but only a 2 star. Chris White had no other major offers at all, South Alabama maybe was his best, certainly not hard to steal a guy from South Alabama. Big Pern was also being recruited by Florida, Mullen sealed the deal. The biggest recruit that can be attributed solely to Croom in that class was Montrell Conner, and he did'nt pan out at all.Mullen brought in a lot of cache from being the OC on the Nat'l Championship team as well as recruiting ties. Moving from Florida to MS State paid off for us big time. Moving form Ark State to Ole Miss won't be as advantageous because you're looking for a higher caliber player. Although I'm sure a couple guys would fit in.
2. There are a lot of variables that go on in recruiting in MS. Croom did a good job of building the base of that class. But before you go all 'he's winning with Croom's recruits' you need to dig deeper. A high number of recruits from that class came from areas that were/are M State feeding grounds. We've recruited Tupelo, West Point, Philadelphia, Meridian, etc... pretty well for a long time.Also note that Nutt had a very good class last year, but some of that was just getting players from USP and MC. Seems like whatever spell y'all have over USP is strong, you're getting another couple of good players this year from them. Really doesn't matter who is the coach.
I think the days of trying to build a class late are over. I read the article on Freeze where he said he's starting his 12 month plan. You really need to have most of your class lined up by Summer if you want to compete in the SEC west. Nick Saban is alraedy chasing around 40 4 & 5 stars for 2013. I don't envy Freeze's job he has in front of him, he's behind the 8 ball for 2012 and having to play catch-up for 2013.
2. There are a lot of variables that go on in recruiting in MS. Croom did a good job of building the base of that class. But before you go all 'he's winning with Croom's recruits' you need to dig deeper. A high number of recruits from that class came from areas that were/are M State feeding grounds. We've recruited Tupelo, West Point, Philadelphia, Meridian, etc... pretty well for a long time.Also note that Nutt had a very good class last year, but some of that was just getting players from USP and MC. Seems like whatever spell y'all have over USP is strong, you're getting another couple of good players this year from them. Really doesn't matter who is the coach.
I think the days of trying to build a class late are over. I read the article on Freeze where he said he's starting his 12 month plan. You really need to have most of your class lined up by Summer if you want to compete in the SEC west. Nick Saban is alraedy chasing around 40 4 & 5 stars for 2013. I don't envy Freeze's job he has in front of him, he's behind the 8 ball for 2012 and having to play catch-up for 2013.
RebelBruiser said:
Banks grew up 10 minutes from Starkville and we were his only offer.
Cam Lawrence had a brother on our team.
Russell grew up a State fan.
People backed off Whitley when he tore his ACL; we didn't.
Skinner probably didn't want to play with Puff-Puff-Pat; looks like he made the right choice.
Not to take away from Mullen, but a lot of these kids would have signed no matter who we hired, unless it was a Sun Belt coach. Oh wait...
I know this might be difficult.
Point A: Miller was set to join the team this spring. He didn't have other options. He was with us or nothing. He's essentially a freebie for Freeze if he wants him.
Point B: He's not going to play for us this spring.
In order for both of those points to be true, Freeze had to decide that he didn't want Miller for some reason. I don't know that reason. Is it the rumor that he failed a drug test? Is it because Freeze likes other QBs we're recruiting now better and has them evaluated higher and he doesn't want to waste a scholarship on Miller? Is it that Freeze just doesn't like his haircut? I don't know, but it's something that caused Freeze to decide not to take him.
Point A: Miller was set to join the team this spring. He didn't have other options. He was with us or nothing. He's essentially a freebie for Freeze if he wants him.
Point B: He's not going to play for us this spring.
In order for both of those points to be true, Freeze had to decide that he didn't want Miller for some reason. I don't know that reason. Is it the rumor that he failed a drug test? Is it because Freeze likes other QBs we're recruiting now better and has them evaluated higher and he doesn't want to waste a scholarship on Miller? Is it that Freeze just doesn't like his haircut? I don't know, but it's something that caused Freeze to decide not to take him.
It's not normal for a coach to have his best recruiting class during a transition class. And yes some of you listed reasons why certain players signed with MSU in 09, and some of them were diamonds in the rough so to speak, but it was still the best class Mullen signed, regardless of star rankings and all that mess.
I don't expect Freeze's class this year to be his best. He'll be able to make up some ground on guys we already have an in with, or guys he made contact with during the process while at ASU even though they wouldn't give him a hard look because he was at ASU. As I said, I've heard a rumor of one of your commits that falls into this category and may end up switching to us.
Overall though, he's going to be piecing this class together, and I expect to see results that match that. Guys like Liggins, Jefferson, Alford, Ward, Brown, and some others are still very much in play though, even with us having a staff change. There are others too. We won't sign all of them, but we will sign some of them.
Ultimately, what I hope to see is that our staff will take the Orgeron approach to recruiting. We'll get on recruiting early and often. We'll go through more in depth evaluations than other staffs. We'll lose a lot of battles for great players, but hopefully we'll win enough of them (as we did with Orgeron) to put a good product on the field. The difference is, this time we have a coach that's creative enough to do something with talent when he gets it, unlike Orgeron, so hopefully the build process won't be as hard or long. With this class though, we're behind the 8 ball. Just have to piece it together and win as many of those battles that were still up in the air as possible, and get started on next year.
I don't expect Freeze's class this year to be his best. He'll be able to make up some ground on guys we already have an in with, or guys he made contact with during the process while at ASU even though they wouldn't give him a hard look because he was at ASU. As I said, I've heard a rumor of one of your commits that falls into this category and may end up switching to us.
Overall though, he's going to be piecing this class together, and I expect to see results that match that. Guys like Liggins, Jefferson, Alford, Ward, Brown, and some others are still very much in play though, even with us having a staff change. There are others too. We won't sign all of them, but we will sign some of them.
Ultimately, what I hope to see is that our staff will take the Orgeron approach to recruiting. We'll get on recruiting early and often. We'll go through more in depth evaluations than other staffs. We'll lose a lot of battles for great players, but hopefully we'll win enough of them (as we did with Orgeron) to put a good product on the field. The difference is, this time we have a coach that's creative enough to do something with talent when he gets it, unlike Orgeron, so hopefully the build process won't be as hard or long. With this class though, we're behind the 8 ball. Just have to piece it together and win as many of those battles that were still up in the air as possible, and get started on next year.