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Not the masses, just you. And as I've said before not just me.
You schooled me on the fact that not every "spiritual" Christian hates homosexuals, and that the hypocrisy of the right is every bit as strong as on the left. And that originality pales in comparison to fact based regurgitation of select writers and thinkers.
 

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You schooled me on the fact that not every "spiritual" Christian hates homosexuals, and that the hypocrisy of the right is every bit as strong as on the left. And that originality pales in comparison to fact based regurgitation of select writers and thinkers.
What hypocrisy?
 

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Evil is manifested through the result of a person's choice to commit an evil act.

How did I do?
I think most people would agree with that, but my question isn't about the manifestation of evil. My question is about intrinsic evil. Is anyone or any volitional being evil by nature?
 

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Trump supporters accused the media of being biased against him during this past fall/the campaign. Trump provided material every day for the media to report by all of the bizzare things he said and did. When a candidate is not in the "ordinary mold" (being polite) that candidate is going to receive a lot of coverage. And then couple that with the bizzare things he has said, due to 1) being an "outsider" and 2) not understanding a lot about how things work, specifically the fundamental relationship of the three branches of government, it's going to appear that the media is trying to "smear" him.

countryroads89 is actually correct here in that Trump is not a policy wonk, and really doesn't understand the fundamental concepts he mentioned in this post. But that's not Trump's appeal to the voters, and the Left seriously underestimated his political instincts which were anti-establishment.

Trump's main appeal is to those who aren't as driven by ideology as much as a practical form of American Nationalism. That's not Left or Right but it is nativist...America 1st.

If he concentrates on and fixes a few things...secures the southern boarder, rebuilds our manufacturing base, devolves power & lobbyists out of Washington D.C. and balances our Federal budget sending money back to the States, restores our Foreign alliances, and re establishes respect overseas for American power... he will create a new coalition of American voters who could care less about Democrats or Republicans.

He is not a political animal so countryroads89 is correct that Trump doesn't know much about or even cares much about Governmental process. He is a political genius though in that he understands what the American people want, what their fears are and where they want to see the Country go.

The Left dismisses him or those who support him by their own defeat.
 

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I think most people would agree with that, but my question isn't about the manifestation of evil. My question is about intrinsic evil. Is anyone or any volitional being evil by nature?
I am, I just hide the demon inside of me really well.
 

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I think we are all inherently evil. Barshit crazy even.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jeopardy for 1000 Alex....

Ans: What is Evil?
 

dave

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Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jeopardy for 1000 Alex....

Ans: What is Evil?
I guess the difference is if one believes that sin equals evil. We all sin. We cant help it. Hard for me to believe my grandma was evil at all.
 

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I guess the difference is if one believes that sin equals evil. We all sin. We cant help it. Hard for me to believe my grandma was evil at all.

It's hard for me think my Grand kids are Evil...little Demons sometimes, but not Evil. But that Bible doesn't exclude anyone from the gene pool.
 

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Well then I have a question for you. Does evil exist? Genuine intrinsic evil?

I would say that people are capable of evil, and there are many that seem predisposed to it. You phrase it as if evil just "exists" though, to which I would say no, it doesn't exist as it's own entity or whatever you're trying to say.
 

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Yes. They said Hillary as only false 25% of the time.

You are taking their evaluations on specific events (debates) or statements and extrapolating that out as if they are saying it's universally true. You know that's not what they are doing. Did they evaluate everything Trump has ever done and said and only used a limited sample of Hillary's statements?
 

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You are taking their evaluations on specific events (debates) or statements and extrapolating that out as if they are saying it's universally true. You know that's not what they are doing. Did they evaluate everything Trump has ever done and said and only used a limited sample of Hillary's statements?
They have evaluated 114 times more GOPer statements than DNCer claims.
 

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They have evaluated 114 times more GOPer statements than DNCer claims.

Whether or not they are biased in what they evaluate was never part of the discussion, the question was what have they not been factual about?

And the GOP really opens themselves up to it, when you have people like McConnell saying the things he's saying now. A hypocrite of the highest order.
 

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From where then does evil come?

It comes from the same place generosity, love, hate, depression, and every other human emotion comes from. Essentially hormones acting in the body and affecting the brain ... and then evil manifests from this unnatural chemical imbalance that makes people do atrocious things.
 

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Whether or not they are biased in what they evaluate was never part of the discussion, the question was what have they not been factual about?

And the GOP really opens themselves up to it, when you have people like McConnell saying the things he's saying now. A hypocrite of the highest order.
It's not factual when you produce comparative reporting which says person A was wrong 25% of the time while person B was wrong 75% of time when you evaluate many less statements from A than B and when you don't select statements known to be false from A while selecting statements only know false after the fact by B.
 

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It comes from the same place generosity, love, hate, depression, and every other human emotion comes from. Essentially hormones acting in the body and affecting the brain ... and then evil manifests from this unnatural chemical imbalance that makes people do atrocious things.
What makes the chemical imbalance unnatural? Also do you have any evidence that chemical imbalances are the causes of all atrocities?
 

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You've been crying non-stop anytime somebody criticizes Trump.
it said facts... you idiots accept 'fake news' even if it comes main stream media...

you've all been brain washed by obama's media the past eight years...

do you even understand what 'fact checking' means ?
 

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It comes from the same place generosity, love, hate, depression, and every other human emotion comes from. Essentially hormones acting in the body and affecting the brain ... and then evil manifests from this unnatural chemical imbalance that makes people do atrocious things.
Interesting theory. We should be able to cure that.
 

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It's not factual when you produce comparative reporting which says person A was wrong 25% of the time while person B was wrong 75% of time when you evaluate many less statements from A than B and when you don't select statements known to be false from A while selecting statements only know false after the fact by B.

That's still factual ... but it might not be fair ... you know the difference.
 

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Interesting theory. We should be able to cure that.

A lot of it we can if people recognize they have an issue and get help. Some of it we still can't ... just like we can't cure everything else either that we know about.
 

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it said facts... you idiots accept 'fake news' even if it comes main stream media...

you've all been brain washed by obama's media the past eight years...

do you even understand what 'fact checking' means ?

I do ... I'm not sure you do though based on the stuff you post.

Again, you whine and cry every time Trump is criticized, even when the criticism is him saying and tweeting things that aren't factual.

I think that maybe you think that Trump is the only source of truth, in which case you have fell completely for his ploy.
 

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What makes the chemical imbalance unnatural? Also do you have any evidence that chemical imbalances are the causes of all atrocities?

That would be impossible now wouldn't it? I can't prove that Hitler had a chemical imbalance, I can't prove that Kim Jong has one, and I can't prove that Trump has one since none of them were or will be evaluated.

But for the people that have issues and get help, we have antipsychosis drugs that help with it. You see what happens when people go off their bi-polar meds for instance.

Do you have any evidence that proves whatever your theory is?
 

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Interesting theory. We should be able to cure that.

For instance, John Holmes, the theater shooter not the porn star ... was though to have dysphoric mania which has treatments:

"Treatment of mixed states is typically based upon administration of mood stabilizing medication, which may include anticonvulsants such as valproic acid; atypical antipsychotics such as olanzapine, aripiprazole, and ziprasidone; or first-generation antipsychotics such as haloperidol. There is question of lithium's efficacy for treatment of mixed states due to conflicting conclusions drawn from various trials and research.[2][3] Mood stabilizers work to reduce the manic symptoms associated with the mixed state, but they are not considered particularly effective for improving concurrent depressive symptoms"

But, he would have had to have had an actual diagnosis and been prescribed a med or a combination of the meds listed, in which case his mood could have been stabilized and perhaps he wouldn't have committed the evil act of murdering all of those people in the theater.


Or maybe it was just inavoidable because evil just floats around like a flu bug and people catch it ... or maybe the boogey man just decided to possess his soul. Both very plausible explanations. </sarcasm>
 

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For instance, John Holmes, the theater shooter not the porn star ... was though to have dysphoric mania which has treatments:

"Treatment of mixed states is typically based upon administration of mood stabilizing medication, which may include anticonvulsants such as valproic acid; atypical antipsychotics such as olanzapine, aripiprazole, and ziprasidone; or first-generation antipsychotics such as haloperidol. There is question of lithium's efficacy for treatment of mixed states due to conflicting conclusions drawn from various trials and research.[2][3] Mood stabilizers work to reduce the manic symptoms associated with the mixed state, but they are not considered particularly effective for improving concurrent depressive symptoms"

But, he would have had to have had an actual diagnosis and been prescribed a med or a combination of the meds listed, in which case his mood could have been stabilized and perhaps he wouldn't have committed the evil act of murdering all of those people in the theater.
********. It was the gun's fault. It told him to do it.
 

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That would be impossible now wouldn't it? I can't prove that Hitler had a chemical imbalance, I can't prove that Kim Jong has one, and I can't prove that Trump has one since none of them were or will be evaluated.

But for the people that have issues and get help, we have antipsychosis drugs that help with it. You see what happens when people go off their bi-polar meds for instance.

Do you have any evidence that proves whatever your theory is?
To answer you question I would first have to establish an objective standard of good and evil. Those who come from an atheistic point of view cannot do this. As a theist I can.

Second, I would point to the fact that by an objective standard of good an evil every human--health and unhealthy, young and old, etc.--does evil. No one has to be taught to do evil. No one has to teach a child to lie or be selfish. Yet they lie and do selfish things.

People without mental defect or disease are convicted everyday of murder--many killing their spouses to whom they promise to love and honor. Look around world. How many are hungry for war?