AOcL's Green New Deal pipedream

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I believe it was 22LR that posted the Dems and media are initially pushing Socialist candidates for 2020 knowing they have no real chance only to eventually back a more moderate and politically viable "true" candidate for the POTUS. Imho, he is spot on.

Just like the Dems deflect all day long from their habitual racist and sexist ways by falsely accusing - in most instances - the Right of those very heinous behaviors, they are doing that very bait and switch thing (political hide and seek) using these Socialist morons. The mainstream media - their propaganda arm - is what makes the Dems so successful in this scheme.
 
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conservatives vs liberals, yea sure. socialists vs. antisocialists, more nonsense.
What none of you want to admit is we can't affored any of this. Go looking for the
facts. They got nothing to do with political perference. Fact, this country is just as
deep in debt as all the rest of'em. If you ad up the borrowed money this Gov. owes,
it's 21 trillion then add to it the debt to Social Security and MediCare + all those
Gov. pensions. Those figures should stun you enough to realize that you can't
afford your politcal perferences. It doesn't matter whether your a conservative or
liberal , broke is broke. This country is broke. I purposely used lower case letters
for the politcal preferences because that's exactly what they're worth. You can
argue all day long about your own political values, but the bottom line is you can't
afford what you believe in. If you do the math and I have it's way more than what
the average American can make in 10 years worth of salary.
 

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Probably the same thing Ronald Reagan would think of his party now.
Reagan would look at the leading economic indicators and know the lives of hundreds of millions of Americans were being improved....There is no question Reagan would be very happy about that.

Reagan always said people have better outcomes with republicans in charge.
 

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If you ad up the borrowed money this Gov. owes,
it's 21 trillion then add to it the debt to Social Security and MediCare + all those
Gov. pensions.
It's hard to "owe" debt that you own. The US government isn't taking out unsecured loans from banks in China.
 

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Is "she" Amy Kloubucher ?

She will be an interesting candidate that could.....could......provide the middle an option. Not as far left as those already in the Democratic circle.
 
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Wonder what Obama thinks of his party now.

And to think Uncle Bernie was cheated out of running against Trump by HRC. That's her one redeeming outcome. Sanders would've been a handful for DJT with today's millennials looking for handouts and Bern willing to oblige.

Growing popularity for socialism and his party pushing abortion...I'd say he probably loves it
 

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"Medicare for all" is just like " build a wall"... it's simply a metaphor for universal health insurance. Personally, I think the ultimate solution is some form of partnership much like the Chase/Amazon/Berkshire Hathoway deal but between individual citizens, employers and the govt. Everyone should have access to affordable healthcare. Each side is guilty of defining the other in the most extreme terms. A "Green New Deal" is necessary but over an extended period of time as fossil fuels are fazed out or made clean through some as yet defined technology. Coal, however, has to go.
 

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Sell it to China then; they are the most culpable and over a billion of them will never suffer this foolishness
 

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What's wrong is our authoritarian president declaring and emergency he created and in so doing circumventing the constitution and the fundamental separation of powers which is basic to our democratic republic. What's wrong is uninformed people like yourself who would rather be led around by the nose by a wannabe dictator who is systematically doing his best to destroy this country. Trump's autocratic tendencies are blueprint...tell everyone he's the only person who can fix things; denigrate the fundamentals of our democracy, declare the 4th estate the enemy, and lie to a point where people don't know what is the truth.
 

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Thanks for speaking the truth Mr Alan Derschowitz; attempted coup by the swamp & trying to cite the 25th Amendment to circumvent a democratically elected person will not stand
 

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What's wrong is our authoritarian president declaring and emergency he created and in so doing circumventing the constitution and the fundamental separation of powers which is basic to our democratic republic. What's wrong is uninformed people like yourself who would rather be led around by the nose by a wannabe dictator who is systematically doing his best to destroy this country. Trump's autocratic tendencies are blueprint...tell everyone he's the only person who can fix things; denigrate the fundamentals of our democracy, declare the 4th estate the enemy, and lie to a point where people don't know what is the truth.

You don't even know that there are currently 31 ACTIVE national emergencies, including 10 by your messiah Obama. So it's OK for Obama to declare national emergencies, but not Trump. Why am I not surprised? And you call me 'uninformed'.
 
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declare the 4th estate the enemy
Your post is nothing but full on borderline psychotic anti-Trump narrative, but the part I quoted is worth highlighting.

The media is responsible for its ****** biased "journalism" and rock bottom credibility. Trump pointing out that the blatant media falsehoods and political bias are an enemy to free people in this country is just reflecting reality. Your hysterical hyperbole is an excellent example of what Trump is talking about.
 

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Your post is nothing but full on borderline psychotic anti-Trump narrative, but the part I quoted is worth highlighting.

The media is responsible for its ****** biased "journalism" and rock bottom credibility. Trump pointing out that the blatant media falsehoods and political bias are an enemy to free people in this country is just reflecting reality. Your hysterical hyperbole is an excellent example of what Trump is talking about.

The media is America's Fifth Column.
 

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Article 1, section 7, clause 2: The House of Representatives appropriates the dollars necessary to run the govt. The founders knew that appropriation in the hands of a despot, a ruler, a king, a president, was a blueprint for disaster. Trump is America's Putin. He is the most dangerous and incompetent man to ever hold the office of president.
 

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Article 1, section 7, clause 2: The House of Representatives appropriates the dollars necessary to run the govt. The founders knew that appropriation in the hands of a despot, a ruler, a king, a president, was a blueprint for disaster. Trump is America's Putin. He is the most dangerous and incompetent man to ever hold the office of president.
Tell us how much you know about Putin. I assume you are well versed on his foreign policies, his economic policies, his approval ratings in Russia, etc. And please, no Google or Wikipedia cut and paste.
 

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Where to start...first, I have never cut & pasted anything to this forum. I have read your posts over the years and realized that they are based more or less on an arrogance somehow tied to your financial success. I'm an educated man and my opinions are based, not on some perceived status, real or contrived, but on my attempt to educate myself on the issues of the day. I've been to Russia and I understand that Putin is largely a popular leader mainly because of his reinstatement of the church and his appeal to Russian patriotism and the restoration of the country's identity and glory after the fall of the Soviet Union. This does not change the fact that his style of a "managed democracy" is totally counter to the norms if our democratic republic. He heads up a government that controls society within a contrived appearance of democracy. Russian govt. presents a strong presidency and weak institutions. There is state control of the media. Total control over elections. Everything is vertically integrated beneath the president with no horizontal connections. The is a huge gap between personal, corporate, and systemic interests. Obedience is the 1st measure of performance. The Oligarchs are the K-street of the country and Putin simply plugs them into the system. His desire to restore Russia to Soviet Union status in the world stage is manifest in at least 2 historical events; one related to the annexation of Crimea and the attempt to take over Ukraine and his ongoing efforts to undermine the U.S. electoral system. Many of the approaches Putin uses to govern are emblematic of the manner by which Trump attempts to govern. Fortunately, our system of checks and balances has prevented him, so far, from literally declaring himself president for life and taking this country down the road to authoritarian govt.
 

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Where to start...first, I have never cut & pasted anything to this forum. I have read your posts over the years and realized that they are based more or less on an arrogance somehow tied to your financial success. I'm an educated man and my opinions are based, not on some perceived status, real or contrived, but on my attempt to educate myself on the issues of the day. I've been to Russia and I understand that Putin is largely a popular leader mainly because of his reinstatement of the church and his appeal to Russian patriotism and the restoration of the country's identity and glory after the fall of the Soviet Union. This does not change the fact that his style of a "managed democracy" is totally counter to the norms if our democratic republic. He heads up a government that controls society within a contrived appearance of democracy. Russian govt. presents a strong presidency and weak institutions. There is state control of the media. Total control over elections. Everything is vertically integrated beneath the president with no horizontal connections. The is a huge gap between personal, corporate, and systemic interests. Obedience is the 1st measure of performance. The Oligarchs are the K-street of the country and Putin simply plugs them into the system. His desire to restore Russia to Soviet Union status in the world stage is manifest in at least 2 historical events; one related to the annexation of Crimea and the attempt to take over Ukraine and his ongoing efforts to undermine the U.S. electoral system. Many of the approaches Putin uses to govern are emblematic of the manner by which Trump attempts to govern. Fortunately, our system of checks and balances has prevented him, so far, from literally declaring himself president for life and taking this country down the road to authoritarian govt.
First, I have never spoken of my personal financial situation on this board. You are the first to tell me that my post are arrogant and tied to my financial success. Maybe some have thought it but no one has said it before now. I guess you perceived some arrogance by me challenging your knowledge of Putin? For the record, I'm not offended or agitated by your comment. This is your opinion and I think your opinion is formed more by your opposition to my comments rather than my bank balance. Let's agree that you are an educated man and you have been to Russia. You have defined Putin about as well as your experiences allows. I would say that most Americans have the same views of Putin. Putin, his policies and his rules of governing are exactly what Russia needed in the past and needs for the near future. Russia is not ready for American style democracy and your ideals. Russia has 11 times zones, 35 base languages and over 100 minor dialects. The diversity is staggering. Russia has a terrorist state (Chechnya) within their borders that is a constant threat. Your observation of Crimea and Ukraine are based on one sided reporting. You are an educated man, surely you understand that the USA has meddled in elections for centuries. Your education should tell you that political subversive activity is not limited to Russia. The USA jumped into the last election process in Israel. Although I have not taken notice of your past post to the extent that you have mine I do recognize that we are probably opposite in our political beliefs. I find your comments to be mostly emotional and delusional regardless of your education. FYI: I have extensive experience in Russia, both personal life and business.
 
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For the record, Putin is not communist. Gorbachev ad Yeltsin were.

I am aware that Russia is no longer considered "communist." My point was that Reagan was anti-commie and he would strongly disapprove of the current administration's infatuation with Putin, whom has proven he is a brutal dictator and previously served in the KGB under Boris Yeltsin when Russia was communist.

The leopard may have changed his spots, but he's still a commie leopard.
 

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Was Obumbles colluding when he dropped the mic & said "tell Vlad I'll be much freer to work with him after the 2012 election" ?

Different strokes for different folks
 
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Was Obumbles colluding when he dropped the mic & said "tell Vlad I'll be much freer to work with him after the 2012 election" ?

Different strokes for different folks

Once again, I was commenting on Reagan and his disdain for commies and that he'd not be happy with the current administration's infatuation with Putin. Same goes for "Obumbles."
 

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has proven he is a brutal dictator
You are thinking of Stalin. I know thousands of Russians that have no political affiliation that would laugh at your comment. Granted, Putin has a different mode of operation but most Russians are ok with it.
 
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And yet it was ok for the Great FDR (holder of four terms) to be in love with saving Old Uncle Joe. Talk about a near King if we ever had one. (I know, it had to be done but still, if ever we were close to a Monarchy it was with him). I wonder what He would think of His party 75 years after the fact.
(actually I don't; he was a D after all & control of the proletariat by socialized everything is always the goal)
 
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Obama was the biggest fraud ever perpetrate on the American people. He had zero qualification in any field or discipline. He had zero private sector experience (thus he had to be a democrat) and he had no political experience (thus he had to be a democrat).
 

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Trying to analyze or evaluate any politician or politics in general is akin to doing the same about "professional" wrestling...
 
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ao crackpipe L making 'big friends in high places' & ruining NYC wheeler dealers plans may have her sleeping with the fishies if she doesn't tone her act down just a bit
 

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Scottsdale...honestly, I had not given your personal circumstances much thought one way or the other until someone posted a comment about your success and your Corvette collection as if these facts somehow ordained you as a savant on social and political issues. I don't spend much if any time analyzing the backgrounds of people who post on football forums. Other than OU related topics, I'm not inclined to get off topic except this open forum has a tendency to lead one there whether you like it or not. Although a life long Republican it's certainly true that my politics have evolved over time. Today, I would not have voted for Barry Goldwater has I did in my first eligible vote. I credit my naive vote on my south side Tulsa bubble, private school, Southern Hills upbringing. My dad thought FDR was a communist. I've moved to the independent middle where it seems that a majority reside today ( 42% )...according to polling.
 

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Oh, as it relates to Putin...my point is not about what style of government works best for Russia, it's about our president emulating said style within a democratic republic system that separates power, defines representative government, and conducts free and fair elections. The only thing keeping Trump from literally becoming a Putin is the guard rails the founding fathers put in place but he is doing is dead level best to bring down our system of govt. He has taken prevarication to a level unheard of in our history and what's scary is somewhere around 35-40% of the people believe him
 

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I have read your posts over the years and realized that they are based more or less on an arrogance somehow tied to your financial success.

Scottsdale...honestly, I had not given your personal circumstances much thought one way or the other until someone posted a comment about your success and your Corvette collection as if these facts somehow ordained you as a savant on social and political issues.
^^^One of these is obviously ********.

I brought up his success to point out that the guy knows the oil business, not to ordain him as a savant on social and political issues. When you have no clue what you're talking about, someone who actually does will make you look like you have no idea what you're talking about. At that point, doubling down on stupid is the worst next move to make.