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When Chris Beam, the new president of Appalachian Power, talks about economic development, he brings a message that may not be very popular among the coal-focused political leadership in West Virginia.Giant businesses Appalachian would like to lure to the state as its future power customers — the Amazons and Googles of the world — make it very clear that when they are scouting locations for facilities like new data centers, they have to go somewhere that can guarantee them a power supply that is generated from 100 percent renewable sources. “At the end of the day, West Virginia may not require us to be clean, but our customers are,” Beam said. “So if we want to bring in those jobs, and those are good jobs, those are good-paying jobs that support our universities because they hire our engineers, they have requirements now, and we have to be mindful of what our customers want.” -
http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/2...ent-says-company-is-looking-toward-renewables
 
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But but but coal is coming back. Obama's war on coal is gone. We got rid of him. We now have a governor who is pro coal, a director of the WVDEP who is pro coal, a state legislature controlled by the GOP, US Congress is controlled by the GOP and pro coal.......

Merika!
 
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moe said:
When Chris Beam, the new president of Appalachian Power, talks about economic development, he brings a message that may not be very popular among the coal-focused political leadership in West Virginia.Giant businesses Appalachian would like to lure to the state as its future power customers — the Amazons and Googles of the world — make it very clear that when they are scouting locations for facilities like new data centers, they have to go somewhere that can guarantee them a power supply that is generated from 100 percent renewable sources. “At the end of the day, West Virginia may not require us to be clean, but our customers are,” Beam said. “So if we want to bring in those jobs, and those are good jobs, those are good-paying jobs that support our universities because they hire our engineers, they have requirements now, and we have to be mindful of what our customers want.” -
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Take away all government giveaways to the leeches that are renewables and let there be a level playing field. Same with Tesla.
 
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You lefties are just very ignorant people. It baffles me that you guys believe the tripe you post.
 
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EEResistable said:
You lefties are just very ignorant people. It baffles me that you guys believe the tripe you post.
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Why wouldnt they believe it? They know nothing about the industry and they want that nonesense to be true so they believe it
 
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dave said:
Why wouldnt they believe it? They know nothing about the industry and they want that nonesense to be true so they believe it
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Are you and your idiot buddy Eeresistable calling the CEO a liar?
 
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moe said:
Are you and your idiot buddy Eeresistable calling the CEO a liar?
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Poor moe. I have worked for APCO before. The CEO is hoping there are some gullible fools out there who will buy his words and ignore what they do. Looks like he was counting on you.
 
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Poor moe. I have worked for APCO before. The CEO is hoping there are some gullible fools out there who will buy his words and ignore what they do. Looks like he was counting on you.
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lol Forgive me if I go with the word of the CEO over that of a know nothing tool on a message board.
 
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moe said:
lol Forgive me if I go with the word of the CEO over that of a know nothing tool on a message board.
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People make stupid decisions all the time moe. Look at your life.
 
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moe said:
When Chris Beam, the new president of Appalachian Power, talks about economic development, he brings a message that may not be very popular among the coal-focused political leadership in West Virginia.Giant businesses Appalachian would like to lure to the state as its future power customers — the Amazons and Googles of the world — make it very clear that when they are scouting locations for facilities like new data centers, they have to go somewhere that can guarantee them a power supply that is generated from 100 percent renewable sources. “At the end of the day, West Virginia may not require us to be clean, but our customers are,” Beam said. “So if we want to bring in those jobs, and those are good jobs, those are good-paying jobs that support our universities because they hire our engineers, they have requirements now, and we have to be mindful of what our customers want.” -
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Yeah.... no state can provide 100 percent renewable energy. And Mr. Beam needs to worry more about "Clean" power, in terms of quality not source, than "Green" power.

I met with a company looking to move to WV to build a manufacturing plant. They're more worried about power that is stable and reliable, than comes from Solar or Wind.
 
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Whether his words are true or not it is hard to not see how giddy the liberals get when they see any type of news that may be bad for WV coal miners and their families.
 
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These guys say this stuff because there are umpteen envirowhacko groups lined up with lawsuits to cause trouble so they say what they have to say to keep the crazies satisfied.
 
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These guys say this stuff because there aree umpteen envirowhack groups lined up with lawsuits to cause trouble so they say what they have to say to keep the crazies satisfied.
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And they know the rubes that believe in **** like "Solar Roadways" will buy into it.
 
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Gigantic Wind Turbines Signal Era of Subsidy-Free Green Power
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rbines-signal-era-of-subsidy-free-green-power
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Yeah, Germany has very inexpensive energy. I hope there aren't any eagles flying around out there. They wouldn't be flying for long.

Average electricity prices around the world: $/kWh
 
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Yeah, Germany has very inexpensive energy. I hope there aren't any eagles flying around out there. They wouldn't be flying for long.

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2011?
 
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Actually they're 2014 costs and show Germany lowering their costs from 0.35c/kWh to 0.19c in 3 years, that's significant.
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You have no idea the amount of German subsidies required to get to this level. Also, to lower costs, Germany has started burning more coal for baseload generation. This certainly helped to lower costs. There are many articles on German power generation and their change in strategy.

German energy costs are twice that of the U.S. If you were a company opening a new plant, where would you go?

Also, this was posted at the bottom of the chart:


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I'm almost positive these are the cost to consumers after application of subsidies.
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I know these costs include some subsidies but I'm pretty certain they do not include direct government expenditures. I could be wrong but the government has engaged in massive direct support expenditures.
 
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WVPATX said:
I know these costs include some subsidies but I'm pretty certain they do not include direct government expenditures. I could be wrong but the government has engaged in massive direct support expenditures.
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No way Germany is under $.20 without direct gov. subsidies.
 
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WVPATX said:
Yeah, Germany has very inexpensive energy. I hope there aren't any eagles flying around out there. They wouldn't be flying for long.

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It is asinine to try to compare electricity prices around the world and draw a conclusion about countries using more renewables being more expensive or less expensive. Different countries have different taxes, fees and levies and some countries have more competition and some have none.
 
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It is asinine to try to compare electricity prices around the world and draw a conclusion about countries using more renewables being more expensive or less expensive. Different countries have different taxes, fees and levies and some countries have more competition and some have none.
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Nice try. Green energy is not close to fossil fuels in terms of cost. China desperately wants the U.S. in the Paris Climate Accord for that very reason. To make the U.S. products much more expensive and helping Chinese imports.

More importantly, this additional cost is a regressive tax on those that can least afford it. If the poor have to pay more for energy, they have less money available for other essentials. The rich not affected at all. You should be all over cheap energy.
 
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Nice try. Green energy is not close to fossil fuels in terms of cost. China desperately wants the U.S. in the Paris Climate Accord for that very reason. To make the U.S. products much more expensive and helping Chinese imports.

More importantly, this additional cost is a regressive tax on those that can least afford it. If the poor have to pay more for energy, they have less money available for other essentials. The rich not affected at all. You should be all over cheap energy.
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WVPATX said:
Nice try. Green energy is not close to fossil fuels in terms of cost. China desperately wants the U.S. in the Paris Climate Accord for that very reason. To make the U.S. products much more expensive and helping Chinese imports.

More importantly, this additional cost is a regressive tax on those that can least afford it. If the poor have to pay more for energy, they have less money available for other essentials. The rich not affected at all. You should be all over cheap energy.
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Lol, why argue with them? Economic forces will deal with it, but I love how they ignore subsidies for coal and oil.
 
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Lol, why argue with them? Economic forces will deal with it, but I love how they ignore subsidies for coal and oil.
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By subsidies, you are referring to tax treatment of certain investments. I am in favor of stopping all subsidies. If you do, green energy falls even further behind the cost curve. By all means, let the market decide. I am so in favor of that.
 
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WVPATX said:
By subsidies, you are referring to tax treatment of certain investments. I am in favor of stopping all subsidies. If you do, green energy falls even further behind the cost curve. By all means, let the market decide. I am so in favor of that.
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Appy Power CEO actually gives a *** about cost? How could they make a mistake if costs get passed thru to consumer. State Utility boards have got to be educated to costs to fellow citizens down the road 20 years and over. They will have to consult with some honest scientists who can give appraisal for later times using current honest known facts. They may then choose nuclear.
 
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Appy Power CEO actually gives a *** about cost? How could they make a mistake if costs get passed thru to consumer. State Utility boards have got to be educated to costs to fellow citizens down the road 20 years and over. They will have to consult with some honest scientists who can give appraisal for later times using current honest known facts. They may then choose nuclear.
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You're right, utilities are highly regulated by the state. And if their investment plans are approved by the Utility Commission, they can pass those costs on to their customers. If, for example, the Utility Commission approves "green energy" those costs are borne by the rate payers, not the utility.
 
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Lol, why argue with them? Economic forces will deal with it, but I love how they ignore subsidies for coal and oil.
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Take all the subsidies away Mr. Racist and all that is left due to economics is gas and coal.
 
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