Apparently another nurse got beat up out west of UMMC......

[OG Goat Holder]

Seems to just keep happening over and over, even now with CCID police. Are those lots not gated? And for the love of God, can we not just demo the vet and let the hospital take all that land and patrol it themselves.

If this means building JSU a stadium, do it. Needs to happen yesterday.

There just may not be any hope for the place. Too many evil spirits in the Purrl River, and of course Ross Barnett dammed it up to trap them all there.

 

[HailStout]

I used to walk to my car in that lot at like midnight back in the 90’s. Ignorance is bliss

 

[vhdawg]

Seems to just keep happening over and over, even now with CCID police. Are those lots not gated? And for the love of God, can we not just demo the vet and let the hospital take all that land and patrol it themselves.

If this means building JSU a stadium, do it. Needs to happen yesterday.

There just may not be any hope for the place. Too many evil spirits in the Purrl River, and of course Ross Barnett dammed it up to trap them all there.

Those lots are NOT gated....my wife used to work there and had to park out there. Anybody can go up in there.

Regarding the stadium, I had to do some research into this for my professional life a year or so ago, and the legislation that give it to JSU explicitly states that whenever JSU is no longer using it as a football stadium, it all goes to UMMC. And for the JSU stadium part, they have quietly collected a ton of land adjacent to their campus between it and Terry Road.....they've got a place to put it.

I think eventually UMMC's need for the land will reach a point where the legislature will make a business decision to fund JSU's stadium for the purposes of getting that land for UMMC. But we're not there yet.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

Crime in Jackson ?? Idk man. Hard to imagine. But in all seriousness if you ever spent any time at UMC you would think all those nurses were awfully brave. I agree they need secure parking. That place should be crawling with cops. Target rich area for lowlifes

 

[retire the banner]

If we could find a way to combat white supremacy, the crime in Jackson would plummet.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Those lots are NOT gated....my wife used to work there and had to park out there. Anybody can go up in there.

Regarding the stadium, I had to do some research into this for my professional life a year or so ago, and the legislation that give it to JSU explicitly states that whenever JSU is no longer using it as a football stadium, it all goes to UMMC. And for the JSU stadium part, they have quietly collected a ton of land adjacent to their campus between it and Terry Road.....they've got a place to put it.

I think eventually UMMC's need for the land will reach a point where the legislature will make a business decision to fund JSU's stadium for the purposes of getting that land for UMMC. But we're not there yet.

UMMC is building their own and leasing other new buildings in Ridgeland for some of their clinics.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I think eventually UMMC's need for the land will reach a point where the legislature will make a business decision to fund JSU's stadium for the purposes of getting that land for UMMC. But we're not there yet.

What's the hold up, honestly? They've had that land for a while.

UMMC is building their own and leasing other new buildings in Ridgeland for some of their clinics.

This is what sucks. Instead of consolidating everything right there in an area of Jackson that could be really cool........we play around, drag our feet and force an entity like that to start locating elsewhere due to the simplest of factors......like not having your workforce get beat up and carjacked in the parking lot.

 

[Anon1728174187]

My daughter went to medical school there and she had to park over there. It is beyond dangerous! I made her carry a pistol in her car and made her carry mace in her purse. It’s is so stupid to have that lot not covered by cameras, police, patrol dogs and any other form of protection you can have. The city of Jackson is beyond stupid! You couldn’t pay me enough to live or work in that cess pool. Rant over!

 

[JY1947]

No the parking lot is not gated and while there are police/security patrolling the lot once you split up from the group you can be really isolated. You can ask UMMC for an escort to your car if you'll be walking alone.

 

[vhdawg]

UMMC is building their own and leasing other new buildings in Ridgeland for some of their clinics.

My understanding is they want to build a big cancer center over there....they wouldn't want to put that away from the main campus and they don't have room on the east side of State Street for it.

 

[Podgy]

The things law-abiding citizens have to do to avoid crime.

 

[thatsbaseball]

The voters of Jackson voted for every bit of this . The perp who attacked this nurse ( unless it was domestic ) will have a rap sheet and very possibly should already be locked up. Wash rinse repeat.....

 

[horshack.sixpack]

What's the hold up, honestly? They've had that land for a while.


This is what sucks. Instead of consolidating everything right there in an area of Jackson that could be really cool........we play around, drag our feet and force an entity like that to start locating elsewhere due to the simplest of factors......like not having your workforce get beat up and carjacked in the parking lot.

One of the clinics moving is in a Jackson building that is not on the UMMC water system. That is one of their key motivating factors. They've had to close way too often due to lack of water. I think it has improved recently, but the decision to move was made a while back because they simply could not continue with the water disruptions. I don't expect UMMC proper to move away anytime soon, if ever. It's just too heavy of a lift.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

One of the clinics moving is in a Jackson building that is not on the UMMC water system. That is one of their key motivating factors. They've had to close way too often due to lack of water. I think it has improved recently, but the decision to move was made a while back because they simply could not continue with the water disruptions. I don't expect UMMC proper to move away anytime soon, if ever. It's just too heavy of a lift.

Potable running water may be an even simpler factor than crime........so congrats Jackson, you managed to one-up me when I thought I was using the lowest common denominator.

It was always so difficult for me to imagine how terrible Jackson really was until I lived there. Just all angles. The Dems holler about things not being fair, and some of that is correct, but then they also holler about outside interference and do nothing about crime. The Reps holler about crime and not being wanted, and some of that is correct, but then they also literally don't want to work with the city at all. So we end up with everybody still doing separate things and arguing among each other.

 

[jxndawg]

Many moons ago (late 90s), a fraternity brother of mine was in med school at UMC. Said that students had to park at the stadium during the day to leave the on-campus parking garages/lots open for patients and visitors; at some point after 5:00 or so, they could go move their cars from the stadium to the parking garage.

So one day he said he's holed up studying in the library, loses track of time, and at some point after dark realizes, "Aww 17 ... I forgot to move my car." He thinks well, surely it'll be ok since this is the first time I've ever forgotten to move it ... gets over there and they've smashed his window and taken his CD player and everything else of value.

 

[Podgy]

Is it too much to expect, because of Mississippi's history, the people of Jackson to elect competent leaders able to lower crime, provide basic, decent social services, a good educational system and otherwise govern in a reasonable manner? El Salvador solved its crime problem under one guy.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Is it too much to expect, because of Mississippi's history, the people of Jackson to elect competent leaders able to lower crime, provide basic, decent social services, a good educational system and otherwise govern in a reasonable manner? El Salvador solved its crime problem under one guy.

It won’t happen until that person emerges, at least for mayor. But I’m not sure that type of person exists that lives in Jackson. Everybody has left.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Everyone of you know exactly why the people of Jackson vote the way they do. And the same reason the Delta to Jackson Area keep voting for Bennie Thompson. The same reason Vicksburg votes the way they do. Imagine what Greenville, Vicksburg and Natchez could have been with the right leadership. Greenville under Paul Artman had some things going in the right direction. But he was too conservative and his skin too light. Remember they even elected a 25 year old female who did nothing for 4 years.
That might be the best choice for Jackson. Elect a 20 year old do nothing. Any of y'all want to ride with me when I am checking properties for my investor to buy? You will see area that make Haiti look like The French Riviera

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Everyone of you know exactly why the people of Jackson vote the way they do. And the same reason the Delta to Jackson Area keep voting for Bennie Thompson. The same reason Vicksburg votes the way they do. Imagine what Greenville, Vicksburg and Natchez could have been with the right leadership. Greenville under Paul Artman had some things going in the right direction. But he was too conservative and his skin too light. Remember they even elected a 25 year old female who did nothing for 4 years.
That might be the best choice for Jackson. Elect a 20 year old do nothing. Any of y'all want to ride with me when I am checking properties for my investor to buy? You will see area that make Haiti look like The French Riviera

Natchez and Vicksburg have mayors that care about their towns. I’d love for George Flaggs to be mayor of Jackson.

Chockwe doesn’t give a shlt. At all. All about him.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Everyone of you know exactly why the people of Jackson vote the way they do. And the same reason the Delta to Jackson Area keep voting for Bennie Thompson. The same reason Vicksburg votes the way they do. Imagine what Greenville, Vicksburg and Natchez could have been with the right leadership. Greenville under Paul Artman had some things going in the right direction. But he was too conservative and his skin too light. Remember they even elected a 25 year old female who did nothing for 4 years.
That might be the best choice for Jackson. Elect a 20 year old do nothing. Any of y'all want to ride with me when I am checking properties for my investor to buy? You will see area that make Haiti look like The French Riviera

The thing about local politics though, is you’re never going to have wide policy swings from a single election. Especially in a place as deplorable as Jackson. The goal shouldn’t be to elect some revolutionary candidate to basically drag the city from the ashes. Its not realistic. Even a “20 year old do-nothing” is probably over-qualified to run Jackson right now. They just need to elect some really shítty local bureaucrat, but one who is just slightly less shítty than the guy before him. And maybe when he’s done, there’s still a massive crime problem, and widespread poverty. But maybe he cuts out the corruption in the mayor’s office, and fixes some really minor problem like the zoo or something. Then he paves the way for an ever so slightly less shítty guy to follow him, and that guy gets caught up in some hookers and cocaine scandal, but also restores the utility infrastructure. And he paves the way for the next guy, and so on. Then, in like 30 years, maybe they get to the point of electing a guy who can facilitate the complexity of the UMMC / JSU dynamics, and maybe another 20 years after that, they can get someone who can put a dent in the crime problem.

That’s the path. Jackson didn’t get in its current predicament overnight, and they won’t get out of it anytime soon, either. But in order to move forward, you’ve first got to stop moving backwards. But somehow, I highly doubt that Jackson is going to do either one of those things.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

You can ask UMMC for an escort to your car if you'll be walking alone.

I wonder if she asked for guard to escort her (and none was available) or if she just tried to chance it?

Hollywood has done a disservice by "empowering" women and getting them to think they can take care of themselves in dicy situations. How many times on screen have we seen a 120 lb actress beat up several burley men? That stuff just doesn't happen in real life.

Oh yeah, unless Babychok cuts a deal with the US Attorney, he'll be reelected again in a landslide.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Natchez and Vicksburg have mayors that care about their towns. I’d love for George Flaggs to be mayor of Jackson.

Chockwe doesn’t give a shlt. At all. All about him.

Nor has the previous 4 or 5 Jackson Mayors. Melton cleaned out some of his drug dealing competition.... alledgedly...Johnson tried but had zero help so he just moved on. Greenville should be Hattiesburg with The River! Besides Jackson, the second most destroyed Mississippi city by Democrat leadership! I have my opinions on Natchez and Vicksburg from working this cities in a previous career. But the parts of Jackson that I travel looking for rental investment properties, many would be better to have a Blues concert downtown and invite every resident and just blow up entire blocks in 39204, 212,209 and 213 and it would do millions of dollars of "improvements".

 

[OG Goat Holder]

The thing about local politics though, is you’re never going to have wide policy swings from a single election. Especially in a place as deplorable as Jackson. The goal shouldn’t be to elect some revolutionary candidate to basically drag the city from the ashes. Its not realistic. Even a “20 year old do-nothing” is probably over-qualified to run Jackson right now. They just need to elect some really shítty local bureaucrat, but one who is just slightly less shítty than the guy before him. And maybe when he’s done, there’s still a massive crime problem, and widespread poverty. But maybe he cuts out the corruption in the mayor’s office, and fixes some really minor problem like the zoo or something. Then he paves the way for an ever so slightly less shítty guy to follow him, and that guy gets caught up in some hookers and cocaine scandal, but also restores the utility infrastructure. And he paves the way for the next guy, and so on. Then, in like 30 years, maybe they get to the point of electing a guy who can facilitate the complexity of the UMMC / JSU dynamics, and maybe another 20 years after that, they can get someone who can put a dent in the crime problem.

That’s the path. Jackson didn’t get in its current predicament overnight, and they won’t get out of it anytime soon, either. But in order to move forward, you’ve first got to stop moving backwards. But somehow, I highly doubt that Jackson is going to do either one of those things.

50 years?

 

[JY1947]

I wonder if she asked for guard to escort her (and none was available) or if she just tried to chance it?

Hollywood has done a disservice by "empowering" women and getting them to think they can take care of themselves in dicy situations. How many times on screen have we seen a 120 lb actress beat up several burley men? That stuff just doesn't happen in real life.

Oh yeah, unless Babychok cuts a deal with the US Attorney, he'll be reelected again in a landslide.

She said in a comment to someone on FB she was a little late in getting off her shift so she didn’t walk with the rest of the shift change and that she thought she would be okay. I know sometimes the escorts can take up to an hour to get to you

 

[ZombieKissinger]

It’s comforting knowing there were guns sitting in the unguarded lot that I parked in for four years

I never had issues, honestly, but I’m a guy and it was sketchy. I arrived and left at all hours. You could move your car into the garage at some point but not if you’re working. It was bad when there was tailgating going on at the same time because you had to park way the 17 away

 

[OG Goat Holder]

It’s comforting knowing there were guns sitting in the unguarded lot that I parked in for four years

I never had issues, honestly, but I’m a guy and it was sketchy. I arrived and left at all hours. You could move your car into the garage at some point but not if you’re working. It was bad when there was tailgating going on at the same time because you had to park way the 17 away

Only one city/state would allow such a thing to go on around one of it's biggest employment centers. That crap doesn't fly around UAB.

 

[Maroon13]

Put up fences, demo stadiums, move stadiums, city police, capital police.... don't matter. Nothing will stop the rot of this society in this region of the country in particular. That includes, Memphis, Bham and little Meridian , Columbus etc.

Young people, Move your life to East Tn or NW Ark or even further west (not to far west) and enjoy your life in a slightly more civilized society.

 

[ZombieKissinger]

Young people, Move your life to East Tn or NW Ark or even further west (not to far west) and enjoy your life in a slightly more civilized society.

I encourage everyone to move too far West but choose wisely

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Is it too much to expect, because of Mississippi's history, the people of Jackson to elect competent leaders able to lower crime, provide basic, decent social services, a good educational system and otherwise govern in a reasonable manner? El Salvador solved its crime problem under one guy.

He is also basically a dictator, which is all good, until it isn’t. Right now, the people down there really like the results, but history has shown us this probably doesn’t end well. Hope I’m wrong.
But to your point, that is exactly what Jackson needs. Lock up all criminals immediately, and things get better quickly. Crazy concept.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Young people, Move your life to East Tn or NW Ark or even further west (not to far west) and enjoy your life in a slightly more civilized society.

I tell people this all the time. Within 50 years, the entire state will be Greenville. The way demographic trends are going, the state will be blue by then and Babychok, Jr. will be the gub’ner. I had plenty of chances to leave, but was too comfortable in my life, now this is “home” to my adult kids. They feel the same comfort as me, but by the time they are my age, the entire state will he a third world country.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I tell people this all the time. Within 50 years, the entire state will be Greenville. The way demographic trends are going, the state will be blue by then and Babychok, Jr. will be the gub’ner. I had plenty of chances to leave, but was too comfortable in my life, now this is “home” to my adult kids. They feel the same comfort as me, but by the time they are my age, the entire state will he a third world country.

Probably slightly exaggerated, but I understand where you're coming from. It just seems like no one can make a good decision or see the forest for the trees.

The biggest problem MS has as far as the brain drain is the lack of an viable urban area that can be a job creator. Jackson is the only hope for that, but no one seems to care.

Then you also see our leadership want to cut out state tax and try to be like Tennessee, Texas and Florida.....yet.....we really are nothing like those states. There's never been any real examination about what and who we are and what our strengths are.....and if there are any.

 

[Darryl Steight]

but then they also literally don't want to work with the city at all.

I agree with most of what you are saying about Jackson, but not this. I know the state has reached out to try to work with the city on many occasions to solve all types of city issues. The problem lies in the city not wanting to take the state's help because it comes with rules they don't want to live by. Chokwe and others would love to take the state's money, but they want total autonomy - we can all assume why - so they come out of those meetings crying "those meanies won't help us!" but that is just bullshitt.

Hell, Tate wants the city to be viable so much that they're creating new agencies to do Jackson's job for them, even without their support. CCID, Capital PD, taking over the water system, etc.

 

[L4Dawg]

Only one city/state would allow such a thing to go on around one of it's biggest employment centers. That crap doesn't fly around UAB.

UAB parking from what I could see during my two visits there appears to be all in pay access parking garages. That's a lot easier to control. That would be your real answer at UMC. That would take $$$$$$$$.

 

[L4Dawg]

I tell people this all the time. Within 50 years, the entire state will be Greenville. The way demographic trends are going, the state will be blue by then and Babychok, Jr. will be the gub’ner. I had plenty of chances to leave, but was too comfortable in my life, now this is “home” to my adult kids. They feel the same comfort as me, but by the time they are my age, the entire state will he a third world country.

The rest of the state isn't Jackson or the Delta.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

UAB parking from what I could see during my two visits there appears to be all in pay access parking garages. That's a lot easier to control. That would be your real answer at UMC. That would take $$$$$$$$.

If you put a gated entrance on the parking lots next to Memorial Stadium traffic would be backed up down Lakeland past I-55 every morning. There's no way you can make it pay access or badge access in the current parking configuration.

 

[JY1947]

UAB parking from what I could see during my two visits there appears to be all in pay access parking garages. That's a lot easier to control. That would be your real answer at UMC. That would take $$$$$$$$.

If they don't want to spend the money, there is a gated entrance over by the health department. At night they should funnel everyone through one entrance/exit and have it manned by Capitol PD

 

[Darryl Steight]

If you put a gated entrance on the parking lots next to Memorial Stadium traffic would be backed up down Lakeland past I-55 every morning. There's no way you can make it pay access or badge access in the current parking configuration.

Make the entrance on West Street, so it wraps around where there is not much traffic. There would be plenty of stacking distance.

Or the state (or city) could issue a bond and pay for a parking garage. Retire it with either the increased ad valorem taxes on the site or charge the users. People in downtown Jackson pay for covered/secured parking every day, as do workers in every city in America. Or UMMC can arrange a master lease on the parking garage to protect their employees and investment.

That's just off the top of my head, surely someone can think of a solution besides "oh well, hope none of the UMMC staff gets mugged today", which seems to be the method so far.

 

[L4Dawg]

If you put a gated entrance on the parking lots next to Memorial Stadium traffic would be backed up down Lakeland past I-55 every morning. There's no way you can make it pay access or badge access in the current parking configuration.

It seems to work at UAB. That place is WAY bigger than UMC.

 

[Darryl Steight]

If they don't want to spend the money, there is a gated entrance over by the health department. At night they should funnel everyone through one entrance/exit and have it manned by Capitol PD

One controlled entrance is always safest, and fence the whole property. Probably the cheapest option.

 

[JY1947]

Make the entrance on West Street, so it wraps around where there is not much traffic. There would be plenty of stacking distance.

Or the state (or city) could issue a bond and pay for a parking garage. Retire it with either the increased ad valorem taxes on the site or charge the users. People in downtown Jackson pay for covered/secured parking every day, as do workers in every city in America. Or UMMC can arrange a master lease on the parking garage to protect their employees and investment.

That's just off the top of my head, surely someone can think of a solution besides "oh well, hope none of the UMMC staff gets mugged today", which seems to be the method so far.

the problem is that you can gain entry to that parking lot/area on foot just about anywhere off Woodrow Wilson. They need to have separate employee and patient parking with the employee parking guarded 24/7 and the shuttle service needs to run better.