Oh you got me. You posted a rifle that didn’t look like a semi automatic but it was. You have great gun knowledge. Good w banning that one too. Sorry
AR15 Age Limit
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How about a deal. We can raise the age limit to buy all firearms to 21 if you remove suppressors from the NFA. Make them transferable like a regular firearm on a 4473.
They worked wonders in Venezuela.
-wasn't trying to be a dick...just educate. Until people know/understand what they're discussing dialog is impossible.
What % of shootings with handguns involve self defense against criminals?
If I ever find myself in a hostage situation in Uvalde TX, I’d sure hope someone with a concealed weapon could take action to try to end it. Or, we could all die while waiting for trained professionals to help us.
There you go folks. Just what I was saying. They want stop until all semi-auto weapons are banned. Take us back to the days of muzzle loading lmao.
I do thank you though bkingUK as at least you have the guts to say it instead of hide your true intentions unlike most Democrats and Liberals
My pump shotgun can do a lot of damage pretty damn fast.
Just banning AR 15 type semi automatics isn't going to change much of anything. They will have to go much deeper than that, which I don't see happening. Most of the shootings seem to be more altercations, however if someone wanted to do a mass shooting a handgun can do that as well. Dylan Roof shot up a church and killed 9 people with a handgun. You can take a couple of revolvers with speed loaders and still cause damage.
I'm okay with raising the age to purchase firearms to 21, provided the age of the draft and to vote also increases to 21. I'm okay with all of that. We need to come up with a definitive age of adulthood and stick to it. Personally, in this day and age, 21 makes a lot more sense than 18.
On an unrelated note, a cannon in my front yard kinda sounds cool. I may look into that...just as people could legally do when the 2nd amendment was written.
On an unrelated note, a cannon in my front yard kinda sounds cool. I may look into that...just as people could legally do when the 2nd amendment was written.
Most handguns are also semi-automatic.
1 pull of the trigger, 1 round. Banning specific guns, especially made-up categories like "assault weapons" will literally change nothing.
-looking specifically at school shootings: raising the age to 25 for gun purchases will *help* lower the numbers...would helped with the Dylan roof shooting/batman theater and a bunch of others.
-I'm a gun guy...I know the counter arguments. I agree that many on the left would like to ban all guns...understand the camels nose under the tent argument, folks are not wrong to think any capitulation will lead to more restrictions.
^that said. Semi-auto guns will never be banned...there will be no confiscation without an existentialy disastrous civil war. There will be no more usa if that road is taken.
-we have to address the issue...raising the age to purchase is a reasonable proposal.
-I'm a gun guy...I know the counter arguments. I agree that many on the left would like to ban all guns...understand the camels nose under the tent argument, folks are not wrong to think any capitulation will lead to more restrictions.
^that said. Semi-auto guns will never be banned...there will be no confiscation without an existentialy disastrous civil war. There will be no more usa if that road is taken.
-we have to address the issue...raising the age to purchase is a reasonable proposal.
Raising the age to 21 seems reasonable, but if that is the case, these same politicians should not be able to draft 18 year olds to fight some war overseas.
Make it all 21. Draft, alcohol, cigarettes', firearms, and voting.
Make it all 21. Draft, alcohol, cigarettes', firearms, and voting.
The good thing about America is people like bking doesn’t get to decide what I need.
i don’t need a 100hp super snake either but I’d be damn happy driving one.
we don’t need a McDonald’s or Bk on every block
We don’t need grocery stores full of foods packed with preservatives
i don’t need a 100hp super snake either but I’d be damn happy driving one.
we don’t need a McDonald’s or Bk on every block
We don’t need grocery stores full of foods packed with preservatives
-I'd *love* to raise the voting age. An 18yo isn't the same as an 18yo 30-50 years ago.
-I'm anti draft. But no problem with kids volunteering at age 18.
-with guns I like 25 for reasons expressed earlier in the thread...many serious mental illnesses don't present until early 20's.
-I'm anti draft. But no problem with kids volunteering at age 18.
-with guns I like 25 for reasons expressed earlier in the thread...many serious mental illnesses don't present until early 20's.
I’d *love* to only have people who own something (house, land, business, etc) vote. Little ***** who live with their parents, don’t pay taxes, or have any skin in the game shouldn’t get a say in how the country is ran
Yea I don’t give a **** if you label something as liberal. I’m for all legislation that decreases availability of guns. The second amendment will never be abolished, but if it was possible to do that with out causing a civil war, we should.
Cool, you found the occasional Dem who wants gun bans. I can find a few R's who think Trump legit won states he didn't. Bottom line, you and I both know all Dems do is talk, same as folks on the right. Don't tell me you're scared of Biden, Chuck, and Nancy all of a sudden. Hell, abortion is probably going to be outlawed in several states as a Dem sits in the WH, and you and Guru believe they can put together waves of gun bans until you and your buddies only have skillets and spatulas to defend yourselves with. It's funny, you guys love to mock the left, but if one of them mentions anything to do with guns, your side turns to jelly and begins worrying and creating scenarios in your minds of Federal agents busting through your doors and snatching your toys.
To lower gun deaths w/o restricting access. You have to understand first where gun deaths come from: suicides, accidents, murders, justifiable shootings. Suicides by far represent the majority of gun deaths. Most murders come from gang and inner city violence. Accidents often times are preventable, but not always.
1. I hope and pray that these mentally ill people who commit such crimes don't realize there are many other ways to be better at it. In 2016 Nice, France, a guy killed 84 and wounded 458 others by driving a truck through crowded streets. Most people have enough chemicals laying around their homes to make various bombs. What if someone poisoned a school's spaghetti? From a very warped perspective, we're lucky these jackholes are only using semi-auto guns.
2. Mental Illness - As a general statement, the US is pretty poor with dealing with mental illness. It's widely accepted that a large population of the homeless are mentally ill. Instead of helping these people we either ignore them and/or chuck drugs at them. We need better diagnostics, better recognition, better treatments. Appropriate interaction needs to happen among the general populace, firearm community, etc.
3. Technology/options - I do think that firearm companies should embrace and develop more safety tech. For example, palm/finger print identification on a firearm. Right now the technology is prone to failures.....which makes it less than ideal for life/death situations. However, if things could progress to the point where it can be reliable and prevent the possible "kid accidental discharge" scenario, it might be worth it.
And ABSOLUTELY I AM NOT mandating that all firearms should have this. I'm saying that in the future if the technology gets better/reliable, that consumers should have options.
Or what about less lethal technology that subdues the threat......for example the Star Trek "phasers on stun." Sure, we're talking about some fantastical things here, but why not? What if tasers get to the point where they have multiple shots, accurate, and extremely reliable? Once again, it'd be nice for Americans to have options.
4. Safety - It'd be nice to have significant incentives for people to take basic firearm safety or general firearm training. While certainly not aimed at the mass shooters out there, it might help lower the accidental happenings.
5. Parenting/Child Rearing - THIS IS HUGE, HUGE, HUGE. Kids are not being taught right/wrong or shown the consequences for their actions. They're not being taught good decision making. This SHOULD be the parent's responsibility.....and when the parents let their kids go off to school, the schools would aid in the rearing. Far too often, kids are getting guidance at home or at school.
6. Education - I think that every single year there should be a "LIFE" class in school. Kids should be taught how to weigh decisions, consider consequences, and act accordingly. Understanding the importance of participating in government and citizenry. Kids should be taught about various jobs out there......requirements (which includes going to college or not).....pay......etc. Kids should be taught about finances......investing/stock market, compounding interest, paying bills, college loans, what is insurance, what is a mortgage, free market economics, taxes.........understanding decisions/consequences to invest in the market vs by a Polaris Razor/bass boat. Kids should be taught some basic communication and relationship skills. Understanding why friends act like they do. Understand the differences between men and women. Understand and teach coping of bullying, etc.
7. Inner city/ghetto - Combined with all of the above, we need more police presence. We need to flood the areas of high crime. And not just police sitting in cars waiting for things to happen. We need officers to walk neighborhoods, smile, talk to people on porches, shoot basketball with kids in the park, incite community involvement, etc. Once crime starts to decrease, give incentives for businesses to start moving into the areas to stimulate economic growth.
If you do the following, gun deaths will reduce in time.....but it's not quick. And all without restricting access to law abiding citizens.
This would also address a number of other issues.
1. I hope and pray that these mentally ill people who commit such crimes don't realize there are many other ways to be better at it. In 2016 Nice, France, a guy killed 84 and wounded 458 others by driving a truck through crowded streets. Most people have enough chemicals laying around their homes to make various bombs. What if someone poisoned a school's spaghetti? From a very warped perspective, we're lucky these jackholes are only using semi-auto guns.
2. Mental Illness - As a general statement, the US is pretty poor with dealing with mental illness. It's widely accepted that a large population of the homeless are mentally ill. Instead of helping these people we either ignore them and/or chuck drugs at them. We need better diagnostics, better recognition, better treatments. Appropriate interaction needs to happen among the general populace, firearm community, etc.
3. Technology/options - I do think that firearm companies should embrace and develop more safety tech. For example, palm/finger print identification on a firearm. Right now the technology is prone to failures.....which makes it less than ideal for life/death situations. However, if things could progress to the point where it can be reliable and prevent the possible "kid accidental discharge" scenario, it might be worth it.
And ABSOLUTELY I AM NOT mandating that all firearms should have this. I'm saying that in the future if the technology gets better/reliable, that consumers should have options.
Or what about less lethal technology that subdues the threat......for example the Star Trek "phasers on stun." Sure, we're talking about some fantastical things here, but why not? What if tasers get to the point where they have multiple shots, accurate, and extremely reliable? Once again, it'd be nice for Americans to have options.
4. Safety - It'd be nice to have significant incentives for people to take basic firearm safety or general firearm training. While certainly not aimed at the mass shooters out there, it might help lower the accidental happenings.
5. Parenting/Child Rearing - THIS IS HUGE, HUGE, HUGE. Kids are not being taught right/wrong or shown the consequences for their actions. They're not being taught good decision making. This SHOULD be the parent's responsibility.....and when the parents let their kids go off to school, the schools would aid in the rearing. Far too often, kids are getting guidance at home or at school.
6. Education - I think that every single year there should be a "LIFE" class in school. Kids should be taught how to weigh decisions, consider consequences, and act accordingly. Understanding the importance of participating in government and citizenry. Kids should be taught about various jobs out there......requirements (which includes going to college or not).....pay......etc. Kids should be taught about finances......investing/stock market, compounding interest, paying bills, college loans, what is insurance, what is a mortgage, free market economics, taxes.........understanding decisions/consequences to invest in the market vs by a Polaris Razor/bass boat. Kids should be taught some basic communication and relationship skills. Understanding why friends act like they do. Understand the differences between men and women. Understand and teach coping of bullying, etc.
7. Inner city/ghetto - Combined with all of the above, we need more police presence. We need to flood the areas of high crime. And not just police sitting in cars waiting for things to happen. We need officers to walk neighborhoods, smile, talk to people on porches, shoot basketball with kids in the park, incite community involvement, etc. Once crime starts to decrease, give incentives for businesses to start moving into the areas to stimulate economic growth.
If you do the following, gun deaths will reduce in time.....but it's not quick. And all without restricting access to law abiding citizens.
This would also address a number of other issues.
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So, 18 year olds can serve in the military where they will use 9mm’s, M-16’s, .45 Cal handguns, 50 Cal machine guns and M-60’s yet they’re not mature enough to purchase them in the civilian world?
^absofuckinglutely. In the military they are given top notch traning, undergo psychological evaluation and are under constant supervision. It's an apples/oranges situation.
Round em all up and go back to muzzleloaders.
It’ll be a ***** to hunt, but it’ll take damn near an hour to fire 60 shots.
Problem solved. You’re welcome.
Yes. I’m being facetious.
It’ll be a ***** to hunt, but it’ll take damn near an hour to fire 60 shots.
Problem solved. You’re welcome.
Yes. I’m being facetious.
There are so many shootings in the US on a daily basis that the only time a shooting gets attention is when innocent kids are murdered. The country averages 45,000 gun shootings deaths a year. The only countries with more shooting deaths are 2nd and 3rd world countries. The US is the 10th worst in the world.
The US averages 12 deaths per 100k people.
Japan averages .06
The UK averages .23
That’s not even counting the amount of crime committed using guns.
The US averages 12 deaths per 100k people.
Japan averages .06
The UK averages .23
That’s not even counting the amount of crime committed using guns.
Can we add driving a motor vehicle, getting married, and indoctrination into religious beliefs? I’d be all for making it all the age of 21.
There aren't 15000 teachers in the country making $30000. Most teachers make closer to $45000 their first year. The few states that drag down that starting pay are states with really low cost of living.
Sad thing is that a guy can train very little and become very deadly with a pump action shotgun. A navy seal wanted to show just how deadly a pump action would be in a school, where you don't have to worry about being over powered by large men, and it was shocking.
I don't even want to describe it and he later deleted the video because it showed how easy it was to shoot and reload and always keep a couple shells in the gun, and just have a couple bandolier over the shoulder, he was walking through a course and it was hard to watch. And if you say "yeah but he's a navy seal"... He went deliberately slow and even purposely screwed up to show that in that type of situation with young kids... they don't fight back. They are victims from the first shot.
Agreed, it would be easy and horrifying. Even worse if its sawed off, you get much more spread in a small area.
I'm all for increasing the age limit to buy guns and putting big-time restrictions on hand-guns (not necessarily AR's). But I don't really know what gun law (outside of just mass banning of guns) would have stopped Sandy Hook. That little psycho didn't own a gun. His mom did. And he stole his mom's guns, killed her, and then killed the kids.
That kid, however, should have been institutionalized long before he even considered doing that. And further, what was that dumbass mom thinking taking that kid to the gun range?
That kid, however, should have been institutionalized long before he even considered doing that. And further, what was that dumbass mom thinking taking that kid to the gun range?
And we don't even look into the chemicals we are pumping into these kids. 8 out of 10 at one point were on the same exact medication. They never even looked into the medication. Is the point to stop mass shootings or to restrict gun laws?
People forget how devastating shotguns can be in close range. Perfect weapon with little over penetration. Keeps stuff from going to other rooms but still good stopping power. . Perfect weapon for home defense. Nobody is getting up from a shotgun to the chest unless they are wearing heavy body armor. And even then that’s going to hurt enough to where it’s going to slow them down enough for a kill shot if need be. Nothing says “get out” like the universal language of a pump action shotgun cocking.
They receive multiple weeks of training before they are even allowed to handle some of those weapons. Also do you think that they just walk around base carrying M60s everywhere? Are you advocating for the general public to be able to purchase heavy weaponry once they turn 18?
No one in this country has a constitutional right to alcohol and cigarettes. Placing an age limit on those is not the same as telling a person of the age of majority they cannot buy a gun until the turn 21. The right protected from government infringement probably inures when they reach the age of majority and are emancipated from parental control.
The right to run for President is in the constitution and has a different age limitation set than the age of majority so it’s not like it’s some impossible hurdle that’s never existed.
Totally agree. Might additionally create a military exemption as far as 18-20 or 18-24 year-olds purchasing semi-auto weapons goes. Effectively kills the "old enough to serve, old enough to own" argument and may also assist pathetic Army recruiting figures.