AR15 Age Limit

[812scottj]

A shotgun firing 00 buck is equivalent to nine 9mm rounds per shot at a higher velocity than if they were fired from a pistol. Far more destructive than an AR shooting .223 rounds. Politicians ignorantly targeting certain weapons based on how they look is silly

 

[DocPT]

What causes the mental health and allows a platform for the bullying? The stupid *** media and social media. Start there.

Here here…that sums it up. Then follow up with kids growing up without their dad

 

[jameslee32]

Is the dude in front of him wearing a dress?

An interesting interpretation of America's gun violence culture.

 

[DocPT]

Keep it at 18 but if you raise the age limit then you have to raise the age that a person can join the military and to vote.

 

[Anon1634865921]

I’d *love* to only have people who own something (house, land, business, etc) vote. Little ****s who live with their parents, don’t pay taxes, or have any skin in the game shouldn’t get a say in how the country is ran

I've been saying this for years. Basically verbatim.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

A shotgun firing 00 buck is equivalent to nine 9mm rounds per shot at a higher velocity than if they were fired from a pistol. Far more destructive than an AR shooting .223 rounds. Politicians ignorantly targeting certain weapons based on how they look is silly

Classic distraction play... I have both... let me tell you:

1) I can get significantly more shots off in a minute with an AR than my 12 gauge pump action shotgun
2) One bullet from an AR to the head or chest with an AR will kill you just as dead as the 9x more powerful shotgun
3) With a few exceptions, mass murders seemingly always happen with AR's or pistols. Regular murders and suicides almost always happen with pistols.

So quit making up a potential problem when we understand what the current problem is.

 

[812scottj]

I have 4 AR’s and 2 defensive shotguns. I’m not advocating one over the other, but I am saying that politicians have no knowledge about weapons.

BTW, you can get a semi-automatic shotgun with an extended magazine, WAYNE

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

I have 4 AR’s and 2 defensive shotguns. I’m not advocating one over the other, but I am saying that politicians have no knowledge about weapons.

BTW, you can get a semi-automatic shotgun with an extended magazine, WAYNE

I love semi-automatic shotguns, SCOTT. First gun I went hunting with at age 12. And let me tell you something, I had to hit the damn squirrel twice to kill it.

My policies I am advocating for make no distinction between an AR, a 9MM or a semi-automatic shotgun. They're all lumped in as the same - an semi-automatic weapon.

 

[Beatle Bum]

The right to run for President is in the constitution and has a different age limitation set than the age of majority so it’s not like it’s some impossible hurdle that’s never existed.

No. There is an age limit for president in the constitution. The right to bear arms is described as inherent. It is the government that is prohibited from invading that right.

 

[812scottj]

Sounds like you can’t shoot if you can’t kill a squirrel with a single shot from a .12 gauge. You’re clearly out of your depth on this topic, so feel free to believe whatever you think. I’m a military veteran, know how to calculate potential kinetic energy, and have read FBI documents about the lethality and stopping power of various weapon calibers. I don’t even know if you’re bright enough to understand the point you’re trying to make, so lose the emotion and focus on one thing: GUN CONTROL IS NOT EFFECTIVE. Semi -automatic weapons aren’t going anywhere, and neither is mental illness. We need answers, not rhetoric

 

[bkingUK]

Sounds like you can’t shoot if you can’t kill a squirrel with a single shot from a .12 gauge. You’re clearly out of your depth on this topic, so feel free to believe whatever you think. I’m a military veteran, know how to calculate potential kinetic energy, and have read FBI documents about the lethality and stopping power of various weapon calibers. I don’t even know if you’re bright enough to understand the point you’re trying to make, so lose the emotion and focus on one thing: GUN CONTROL IS NOT EFFECTIVE. Semi -automatic weapons aren’t going anywhere, and neither is mental illness. We need answers, not rhetoric

Why is it that countries with more stringent gun laws have lower murder rates and shooting deaths if gun control laws are ineffective?

 

[812scottj]

Because they don’t have a 2nd Amendment! Got a passport? Get the F out of this country and go wherever you feel safe. It’s not reasonable to expect that guns are ever going to be meaningfully restricted in the US. You should grasp that sentiment now and get on board with the idea that other solutions are required

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

Sounds like you can’t shoot if you can’t kill a squirrel with a single shot from a .12 gauge. You’re clearly out of your depth on this topic, so feel free to believe whatever you think. I’m a military veteran, know how to calculate potential kinetic energy, and have read FBI documents about the lethality and stopping power of various weapon calibers. I don’t even know if you’re bright enough to understand the point you’re trying to make, so lose the emotion and focus on one thing: GUN CONTROL IS NOT EFFECTIVE. Semi -automatic weapons aren’t going anywhere, and neither is mental illness. We need answers, not rhetoric

If gun control is not effective, why is the murder rate significantly lower in Europe, Japan, Singapore, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and any other first world country - all of which have significantly more gun control than us? And why is it, that guns that are heavily regulated (like automatic weapons) are almost never used in murders?

Look man, you may be a veteran and know about kinetic energy and stopping power. But you clearly don't understand statistics.

Lastly, it was a 16 gauge I shot the squirrel with. And I didn't get a clean hit on it the first time.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

Because they don’t have a 2nd Amendment! Got a passport? Get the F out of this country and go wherever you feel safe. It’s not reasonable to expect that guns are ever going to be meaningfully restricted in the US. You should grasp that sentiment now and get on board with the idea that other solutions are required

Why are you so obtuse? We aren't against the 2nd amendment. We are against some loser being able to walk into a gun store on his 18th birthday to buy an AR-15 or 9MM or 12-gauge semi-automatic and then going to murder 20 people.

Three mass shootings over the last 5 years or so were 18 year olds with an AR. Limiting who can buy one would have stopped each of those incidents from occuring.

 

[812scottj]

Confirmed: You can’t shoot.

Full auto weapons have been highly restricted for many years, so they’re not readily available. Unlike semi-autos that are prolific…

Regulation will only lead to a black market…you know…like illicit drugs.

Gun crimes are abhorrent, and I believe gun criminals should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. However, the mentally ill shooters are perfectly willing to die during the commission of their crimes.

Legal gun purchases are subject to background checks. Guess what? Ineffective.

Illegal gun purchases are not subject to background checks. How do you propose to stop the black market?

There’s a huge problem in our society, but it’s not guns. Give practical ideas about fixing our broken culture, but the ideas you bring will go nowhere

 

[812scottj]

I’ll bet ya that an age limit on the legal purchase of semi-automatic weapons will have zero impact. I’m not even against the idea, truthfully, but it’s stupid and a total waste of of resources that should be invested elsewhere (mental health, education, etc)

Mental health cannot be legislated. You call me “obtuse”….I think of you as naive. I respect that opinion is different from mine, but I will never understand anyone with such impractical ideals

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

I’ll bet ya that an age limit on the legal purchase of semi-automatic weapons will have zero impact. I’m not even against the idea, truthfully, but it’s stupid and a total waste of of resources that should be invested elsewhere (mental health, education, etc)

Waste of resources? You are literally just changing the law from 18 to 21. There is no additional resources required than changing a few signs.

 

[812scottj]

Legislative resources….legal resources…not free activities

 

[BMoore2]

Would the gun grabbers prefer people under 21 shoot people with something else? The murders are not about the weapon, they’re about mental health and bullying. I abhor what’s happening, but our elected officials are focused on the wrong issues.
Parents and school officials should be held accountable when a kid is obviously a threat and they do nothing to intervene.
Gun crimes should be punished to the fullest extent possible, but law abiding citizens should not be penalized
Should Ferraris be banned because speed kills? Who NEEDS a car that can go 200 mph??

There’s going to be a point at which something is done. If Republicans won’t go for universal background checks, the next time the dems have a decently-sized majority, and the wackos propose confiscation and whatnot, perhaps they’ll be more open to universal background checks. There is nothing wrong or unconstitutional about them, and they will keep crazy people from buying guns, or at least buying them easily. They should at least have to go to a gun show, where there’s the normal Joe the Plumber type that can tell there’s something off about them and won’t sell to them.
I’m a fan of closing the gun show loophole-one reason, whether people admit it or not, for gun shows is for people with felonies and people on the no-sell list to be able to buy on the black market. That shouldn’t happen. You’re a wife beater with a domestic violence record? You’re gonna get a handgun, and that’s it. Schizophrenia or borderline personality disorder? You can own a taser. Everyone else? Purchase freely.
The bottom line is that something was different about this school shooting. We are finally out of the pandemic, the world is somewhat going back to normal, and with all that we’ve been through the past few years, we should’ve have to go back to that world. No more dead kids, without us trying to do SOMETHING to prevent them dying.

 

[I am stupid]

There's a lot to unpack in that last post....

By universal background checks are you wanting every state to use the same system or do you want to require a background check for every firearm transfer either from a dealer or private party?

ATF already requires people to have an FFL to sell a firearm at a gun show. If people meet in the parking lot and decide to sell, guess what. There are also laws that prevent them from selling to people with criminal records, under age, etc...

Next, you allowing a domestic violence offender to have a handgun is worse than the laws are now. As of now they couldn't buy a handgun, rifle or anything.

 

[jwheat]

Many of you who were wanting to refund the police a couple years ago are now wanting a Police state

 

[hmt5000]

If gun control is not effective, why is the murder rate significantly lower in Europe, Japan, Singapore, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and any other first world country - all of which have significantly more gun control than us? And why is it, that guns that are heavily regulated (like automatic weapons) are almost never used in murders?

Look man, you may be a veteran and know about kinetic energy and stopping power. But you clearly don't understand statistics.

Lastly, it was a 16 gauge I shot the squirrel with. And I didn't get a clean hit on it the first time.

Don't tell Montenegro and Finland that gun control is the only way stop violence. They have tons of guns and low murder rates. Canada also has really high gun ownership and low crime rates outside a couple cities. Brazil and Mexico have low gun ownership and high murder rates. It's not as black and white as you want to pretend it is.

 

[hmt5000]

There’s going to be a point at which something is done. If Republicans won’t go for universal background checks, the next time the dems have a decently-sized majority, and the wackos propose confiscation and whatnot, perhaps they’ll be more open to universal background checks. There is nothing wrong or unconstitutional about them, and they will keep crazy people from buying guns, or at least buying them easily. They should at least have to go to a gun show, where there’s the normal Joe the Plumber type that can tell there’s something off about them and won’t sell to them.
I’m a fan of closing the gun show loophole-one reason, whether people admit it or not, for gun shows is for people with felonies and people on the no-sell list to be able to buy on the black market. That shouldn’t happen. You’re a wife beater with a domestic violence record? You’re gonna get a handgun, and that’s it. Schizophrenia or borderline personality disorder? You can own a taser. Everyone else? Purchase freely.
The bottom line is that something was different about this school shooting. We are finally out of the pandemic, the world is somewhat going back to normal, and with all that we’ve been through the past few years, we should’ve have to go back to that world. No more dead kids, without us trying to do SOMETHING to prevent them dying.

There is no gun show loophole. Person to person sales are legal but if you buy from a dealer at a gunshow you still undergoing a background check. People looking to sell a gun will sometimes go to a gun show and sell it person to person but they could do that at a mcdonalds parking lot too.

If you want to ban person to person sales then say that.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

Don't tell Montenegro and Finland that gun control is the only way stop violence. They have tons of guns and low murder rates. Canada also has really high gun ownership and low crime rates outside a couple cities. Brazil and Mexico have low gun ownership and high murder rates. It's not as black and white as you want to pretend it is.

Cool - so you’re comfortable adopting Finland’s gun regulations (which I doubt you know anything about)?

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

Oh, and did you really compare the US to Montenegro? Do you even know what the population of that country is? Let me help you, it’s about the same size as metro Wichita Kansas.

 

[Anon1634865921]

Freedom isn't free. It costs a buck o' five.

 

[Nightwish84]

Many of you who were wanting to refund the police a couple years ago are now wanting a Police state

"Many of you"

Did you mean defund? This is mostly a site of conservatives with just a few liberals/independents who post, so I'm not sure where you're getting the "many" from. I see those assumptions a lot here. If we don't hold the exact opinion that you or others have, then "many of us" wanted to defund the police (false). "Many of us" want the second amendment abolished (also false).

We all know you can't stop every mass shooting, but you can make a few tweaks to help curve or even possibly prevent the next one. Frustrating thing is, some here have expressed that it wouldn't matter, that evil is just that, and it'll find a way no matter what. If we treat mass shootings and nuts who carry out these acts like it's Michael Myers and we're all living in Haddonfield, then this will just continue to happen over and over and over and over. The idea is to curve it, not completely stop it, because that's impossible. Also, your cute little police state line? Who here is advocating for police and guns in every school and for schools to be treated as if they're government buildings or police stations? Adding more guns to the crisis isn't a great answer but it's the answer I keep seeing from folks who refuse to budge on anything else. I'm sure that would make a certain gun rights advocacy group grin from ear to ear. Mass shootings you say? Well hell son, everyone needs a gun then!

 

[812scottj]

Probably not gonna see a mass shooting at a police station or NRA convention. There’s a reason the shooters target schools and churches….

 

[JumperJack]

So, 18 year olds can serve in the military where they will use 9mm’s, M-16’s, .45 Cal handguns, 50 Cal machine guns and M-60’s yet they’re not mature enough to purchase them in the civilian world?

Exactly. It’s ludicrous. It’s an open admission that this society has stopped producing functional adults. We can trust them with a drill sergeant but cannot trust them with the values their own parents instilled in them.

If this isn’t a white flag, what is?

 

[weused2luvhim2]

So, 18 year olds can serve in the military where they will use 9mm’s, M-16’s, .45 Cal handguns, 50 Cal machine guns and M-60’s yet they’re not mature enough to purchase them in the civilian world?

How about in order to buy one at 18 you have to go through boot camp? Not just any old boot camp. Marine Corps boot camp at Parris Island. You make it you can’ buy your AR at 18.

 

[Anon1634865921]

Common sense gun laws, to me, mean enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Build more prisons. The same people who smuggle drugs and people into our country will have no trouble getting guns to people who get them for one reason. Offense.

We heard all about abortion last month and how it's a constitutionally protected "right", from the same people who now think an ACTUAL constitutionally protected right, is wrong.

Too much twisted thinking like that in this country. Drives some of these wackos off the deep end because they can't keep up. Learn to spot these kids early. They are the problem.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

Exactly. It’s ludicrous. It’s an open admission that this society has stopped producing functional adults. We can trust them with a drill sergeant but cannot trust them with the values their own parents instilled in them.

If this isn’t a white flag, what is?

Utterly moronic take. Let’s see the difference.

1) 18-year old person A applies to join the military. He is vetted and allowed in. He is trained on weapons and there are others highly trained people around too, meaning if said 18 goes postal at least there are others around with weapons. Further, if person A starts acting crazy they can give him help, throw him in jail, or discharge him.
2) 18-year old B doesn’t have a record, so he can buy a gun and start killing people who are completely unprepared for getting shot at.

Society hasn’t waved the white flag because 1 out of a few million commits mass murders. Society fails when we don’t figure out how to prevent that person from acquiring guns.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

The better abortion comparison is this.

The people in this thread who think that we shouldn't have any restrictions on 18 year olds buying semi-automatic weapons are like the abortion nut jobs who think women should be able to have abortions about 3 seconds before they give birth.

I think in both cases the nutjobs have taking control of an issue, and the parties have drifted along with said nutjobs.

 

[BMoore2]

There's a lot to unpack in that last post....

By universal background checks are you wanting every state to use the same system or do you want to require a background check for every firearm transfer either from a dealer or private party?

ATF already requires people to have an FFL to sell a firearm at a gun show. If people meet in the parking lot and decide to sell, guess what. There are also laws that prevent them from selling to people with criminal records, under age, etc...

Next, you allowing a domestic violence offender to have a handgun is worse than the laws are now. As of now they couldn't buy a handgun, rifle or anything.

Then I am uninformed when it comes to that specific fact. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[jwheat]

"Many of you"

Did you mean defund? This is mostly a site of conservatives with just a few liberals/independents who post, so I'm not sure where you're getting the "many" from. I see those assumptions a lot here. If we don't hold the exact opinion that you or others have, then "many of us" wanted to defund the police (false). "Many of us" want the second amendment abolished (also false).

We all know you can't stop every mass shooting, but you can make a few tweaks to help curve or even possibly prevent the next one. Frustrating thing is, some here have expressed that it wouldn't matter, that evil is just that, and it'll find a way no matter what. If we treat mass shootings and nuts who carry out these acts like it's Michael Myers and we're all living in Haddonfield, then this will just continue to happen over and over and over and over. The idea is to curve it, not completely stop it, because that's impossible. Also, your cute little police state line? Who here is advocating for police and guns in every school and for schools to be treated as if they're government buildings or police stations? Adding more guns to the crisis isn't a great answer but it's the answer I keep seeing from folks who refuse to budge on anything else. I'm sure that would make a certain gun rights advocacy group grin from ear to ear. Mass shootings you say? Well hell son, everyone needs a gun then!

I guess I should have said many of the gay liberals

 

[jwheat]

Wanting to defend my home and family with whatever means I deem necessary = being a ***** and not taking responsibility for opening my legs and not using one of the many easily accessible contraceptives

 

[TCurtis75_rivals88839]

Wanting to defend my home and family with whatever means I deem necessary = being a ***** and not taking responsibility for opening my legs and not using one of the many easily accessible contraceptives

Are rape victims whores? Are women in committed relationships who take all precautions and still get pregnant because no contraceptive is 100% effective whores? Is the woman who makes the difficult decision to terminate her pregnancy because her doctor says the baby inside her will not survive after birth a *****? The phrase being a ***** is all anyone needs to read in that post to know just how ridiculous you are. I’d like to say I’m surprised you posted that by I’m not.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Classic distraction play... I have both... let me tell you:

1) I can get significantly more shots off in a minute with an AR than my 12 gauge pump action shotgun
2) One bullet from an AR to the head or chest with an AR will kill you just as dead as the 9x more powerful shotgun
3) With a few exceptions, mass murders seemingly always happen with AR's or pistols. Regular murders and suicides almost always happen with pistols.

So quit making up a potential problem when we understand what the current problem is.

You have an AR? Why?

 

[Beatle Bum]

There is a reason why kids want to shoot kids. I hope people are researching that reason so we can stop these events.

Probably not gonna see a mass shooting at a police station or NRA convention. There’s a reason the shooters target schools and churches….

 

[bkingUK]

There is a reason why kids want to shoot kids. I hope people are researching that reason so we can stop these events.

There are 329.4 million people in the United States. There is no way we can stop these events merely through mental health. There will always be people on the fringe of society. As long as they have access to tools to commit mass these types of events, they will continue to do it.

This is also why, quite frankly, why nothing is going to change and we have to accept that mass shootings will continue to occur.

Also, mass shootings get the headlines because they are shocking, but the vast majority of shooting deaths in the United States are handgun incidents involving one person being shot and killed. If we halved the amount of handgun shootings in the US, it'd have about 200x impact of stopping all mass shootings. (Im guessing on the 200x impact, but probably in the ballpark)