Are Keenum and Selmon intentionally wrecking MSU Football?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

This has a very LT feel. LT’s goal was to work for the SEC and continuously wrecked MSU Football to appease the SEC and eventually led to him getting his SEC job. Keenum is a lifelong Bureaucrat. Bureaucrats have a goal to get titles and buildings,bridges, highways named after them to achieve some level of immortality. They thrive when they are leaders of committees and look to advance their own personal agenda.
The wrecking of MSU Football is almost too intentional to be blamed on incompetence.

 

[HulksStache]

Intentionally would require thought and effort to destroy the program….

 

[Ranchdawg]

I often wonder who is pulling the strings of our program. As you say, things seem too obvious for them to be coincidence. Exhibit A would be last years win over Arkansas. They had to play so horrible even their fans felt their QB threw the game. As more money is funneled into college football the need to control outcomes will grow. Too much money is changing hands to leave it to chance.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

They are too incompetent to be successful even in wrecking the program.

 

[ronpolk]

This may end up on the message board genius twitter page.

There is no way some of you guys actually believe some of the goofy stuff you post.

 

[John Deaux VII]

This may end up on the message board genius twitter page.

There is no way some of you guys actually believe some of the goofy stuff you post.

I don't know what it is in our society about always assuming a conspiracy is to blame, but it appear to apply to anything and everything.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Not intentional. But yeah, they are certainly thinking about other things rather than pushing our athletic program forward. The longer people stay at MSU, it seems they give up and start using it to further themselves. And Keenum definitely has that old school "just beat Ole Miss and it's fine" attitude going that so many here also have. I mean, we actually win a national title, and now we have a push to make a baseball jersey logo our OFFICIAL ATHLETICS logo simply because we finally had the ultimate success. How 17ing moronic is that?

I'm telling you, when Cohen finally got sick of the shlt our fans were throwing at him and left, I knew we were in for some hard times. He may not have been perfect, but if nothing else he was a strong personality and kept the old school moo mentality at bay. He also realized we needed to do some things differently.

It's a shame so many here were too stupid to see it. We're much better off now aren't we?

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Starting the day with a hearty laugh is always good…

 

[Mr. Cook]

This has a very LT feel. LT’s goal was to work for the SEC and continuously wrecked MSU Football to appease the SEC and eventually led to him getting his SEC job. Keenum is a lifelong Bureaucrat. Bureaucrats have a goal to get titles and buildings,bridges, highways named after them to achieve some level of immortality. They thrive when they are leaders of committees and look to advance their own personal agenda.
The wrecking of MSU Football is almost too intentional to be blamed on incompetence.

 

[Maroon13]

 

[HomeBoyDawg]

 

[OopsICroomedmypants]

I support Alex Jones and I don’t believe this.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

This has a very LT feel. LT’s goal was to work for the SEC and continuously wrecked MSU Football to appease the SEC and eventually led to him getting his SEC job. Keenum is a lifelong Bureaucrat. Bureaucrats have a goal to get titles and buildings,bridges, highways named after them to achieve some level of immortality. They thrive when they are leaders of committees and look to advance their own personal agenda.
The wrecking of MSU Football is almost too intentional to be blamed on incompetence.

You need to present a list of what drugs you’re on sir.

 

[Shmuley]

Intentionality is not in play. But certainly selmon has no 17n clue how to fix this $h!+. And keenum is unwilling to admit that he has overseen this disaster on his watch. “Intentional”? No. “Gross negligence”? Absolutely.

 

[L4Dawg]

This has a very LT feel. LT’s goal was to work for the SEC and continuously wrecked MSU Football to appease the SEC and eventually led to him getting his SEC job. Keenum is a lifelong Bureaucrat. Bureaucrats have a goal to get titles and buildings,bridges, highways named after them to achieve some level of immortality. They thrive when they are leaders of committees and look to advance their own personal agenda.
The wrecking of MSU Football is almost too intentional to be blamed on incompetence.

That's nut job conspiracy type BS.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Cheap & Lazy would be better terms. Juco Keenum doesn't want to do better, he wants us to just be Poor Ole State. He doesn't care about growth or improvement, he hires low end professors on the cheap and coaches too. It's about being cheap and having no vision. Selmon is just looking out for his boy Lebby and his OK ties. He raises all this money for NIL but refuses to fire the worst DC in P4.

 

[GloryDawg]

Keenum did not do his work on hiring an AD. He probably took advise from a friend at the other school. Then that guy who he hired, hired a friend who hired a friend. Now we suck. There were way too many successful AD's at G5 schools who he could have hired and there were successful HC at other schools he could have gone after. The dumbest thing Selmon did if it is true allowed for a three-million-dollar contract to a Special Teams coach to become a DC at a SEC school. I understand that we did not have to pay for an OC but hell 3 million to a guy without any experience. Theres Juco coaches who could have done a better job. Now no one has the balls to fire a friend.

 

[olblue]

Intentionality is not in play. But certainly selmon has no 17n clue how to fix this $h!+. And keenum is unwilling to admit that he has overseen this disaster on his watch. “Intentional”? No. “Gross negligence”? Absolutely.

Just another case of college administrators being in way over their heads.

 

[dawgstudent]

Intentionality is not in play. But certainly selmon has no 17n clue how to fix this $h!+. And keenum is unwilling to admit that he has overseen this disaster on his watch. “Intentional”? No. “Gross negligence”? Absolutely.

Isn't intentional one of Lebby's buzz words??!!!

 

[thatsbaseball]

I sometimes do wonder if Keenum is reluctant to do what it takes to stay at the highest level of college football because he doesn't think we can sustain the financial support it would require. Some of the decisions/non-decisions I see being made now appear to be more than just inept. One thing I do know is his vision of the future of college football is far more insightful than any of ours.

 

[Shmuley]

One would be wise to consider whether there is personal/institutional rejection of the current NIL/pay for play model being played out within the current administrative leadership of the university. It would not surprise me in the least to learn that there is significant in-fighting occurring amongst various sectors of the university over the notion of paying these unworthy 18-22 year olds who've earned nothing exorbitant sums to thumb their noses at higher education while playing a game and living high on the hog. Hell, some of these pieces of $h!+ are being paid orders of magnitude more than even keenum. Does anyone doubt in the least that someone like keenum, especially, harbors a visceral negative reaction to these developments?

Who knows for sure? But it seems reasonable to consider whether the current leadership is unwilling to fully participate in the current system despite the fact that more resources are available. c.f., Clemson/Dabo.

 

[patdog]

They're not smart enough to do that. Just good old fashioned incompetence & cronyism can go a long way.

 

[woozman]

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Yes.

Next question.

 

[RBcoach]

 

[Handsome Jimmy]

some of y'all need to take a minute before posting, good lord.

 

[L4Dawg]

Cheap & Lazy would be better terms. Juco Keenum doesn't want to do better, he wants us to just be Poor Ole State. He doesn't care about growth or improvement, he hires low end professors on the cheap and coaches too. It's about being cheap and having no vision. Selmon is just looking out for his boy Lebby and his OK ties. He raises all this money for NIL but refuses to fire the worst DC in P4.

You have NO idea what you are talking about. MSU has a record enrollment this year and there is new construction all over campus. Also, see my post in another thread about how it's not easy to get people to come to Starkville.

You gonna pony up $2-3milion to fire the DC? That what it would cost this year. I have to laugh at this notion that a young AD is intentionally not doing his job or being lazy before he moves on to a better job. If he doesn't do his job well the only way he moves on is to be fired. Y'all need to read what you post sometimes before you post it.

 

[L4Dawg]

Not intentional. But yeah, they are certainly thinking about other things rather than pushing our athletic program forward. The longer people stay at MSU, it seems they give up and start using it to further themselves. And Keenum definitely has that old school "just beat Ole Miss and it's fine" attitude going that so many here also have. I mean, we actually win a national title, and now we have a push to make a baseball jersey logo our OFFICIAL ATHLETICS logo simply because we finally had the ultimate success. How 17ing moronic is that?

I'm telling you, when Cohen finally got sick of the shlt our fans were throwing at him and left, I knew we were in for some hard times. He may not have been perfect, but if nothing else he was a strong personality and kept the old school moo mentality at bay. He also realized we needed to do some things differently.

It's a shame so many here were too stupid to see it. We're much better off now aren't we?

Cohen was the worst athletic director we have ever had, including LT. He only cared about baseball and is THE person to blame for our current football predicament. Again, I'm laughing at you.

 

[L4Dawg]

I sometimes do wonder if Keenum is reluctant to do what it takes to stay at the highest level of college football because he doesn't think we can sustain the financial support it would require. Some of the decisions/non-decisions I see being made now appear to be more than just inept. One thing I do know is his vision of the future of college football is far more insightful than any of ours.

There is a lot to this.

 

[ETK99]

You have NO idea what you are talking about. MSU has a record enrollment this year and there is new construction all over campus. Also, see my post in another thread about how it's not easy to get people to come to Starkville.

You gonna pony up $2-3milion to fire the DC? That what it would cost this year. I have to laugh at this notion that a young AD is intentionally not doing his job or being lazy before he moves on to a better job. If he doesn't do his job well the only way he moves on is to be fired. Y'all need to read what you post sometimes before you post it.

LOL we got plenty of boosters offering to pay that damn buyout, Selmon just refuses because his ****** hire Lebby doesn't have the balls to fire his buddy. I won't get into the academic stuff but you don't have a clue.

 

[patdog]

Cohen was the worst athletic director we have ever had, including LT. He only cared about baseball and is THE person to blame for our current football predicament. Again, I'm laughing at you.

WTF? Cohen has been gone for over 3 years now, and the football program was in pretty good shape when he left. It's literally every single decision that's been made AFTER Cohen left that's got us where we are now. I'm no Cohen fan, but Templeton was MUCH worse, and Selmon is a good fundraiser but a terrible AD.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

One would be wise to consider whether there is personal/institutional rejection of the current NIL/pay for play model being played out within the current administrative leadership of the university. It would not surprise me in the least to learn that there is significant in-fighting occurring amongst various sectors of the university over the notion of paying these unworthy 18-22 year olds who've earned nothing exorbitant sums to thumb their noses at higher education while playing a game and living high on the hog. Hell, some of these pieces of $h!+ are being paid orders of magnitude more than even keenum. Does anyone doubt in the least that someone like keenum, especially, harbors a visceral negative reaction to these developments?

Who knows for sure? But it seems reasonable to consider whether the current leadership is unwilling to fully participate in the current system despite the fact that more resources are available. c.f., Clemson/Dabo.

I don't think so at all. I think they want to play the game, but just have no idea how to do it, or any type of plan for it. That's one reason why they brought in Salmon (not the main reason) - to raise money for NIL.

 

[ETK99]

WTF? Cohen has been gone for over 3 years now, and the football program was in pretty good shape when he left. It's literally every single decision that's been made AFTER Cohen left that's got us where we are now. I'm no Cohen fan, but Templeton was MUCH worse, and Selmon is a good fundraiser but a terrible AD.

Naw lol

 

[Chesusdog]

Yall aren't thinking big enough. It runs so much deeper than Keenum and LT.

The real mastermind of our downfall is Budweiser Car Guy.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

You have NO idea what you are talking about. MSU has a record enrollment this year and there is new construction all over campus. Also, see my post in another thread about how it's not easy to get people to come to Starkville.

You gonna pony up $2-3milion to fire the DC? That what it would cost this year. I have to laugh at this notion that a young AD is intentionally not doing his job or being lazy before he moves on to a better job. If he doesn't do his job well the only way he moves on is to be fired. Y'all need to read what you post sometimes before you post it.

You're lazy and cheap too it seems. I'm not surprised

 

[birdawg]

You have NO idea what you are talking about. MSU has a record enrollment this year and there is new construction all over campus. Also, see my post in another thread about how it's not easy to get people to come to Starkville.

You gonna pony up $2-3milion to fire the DC? That what it would cost this year. I have to laugh at this notion that a young AD is intentionally not doing his job or being lazy before he moves on to a better job. If he doesn't do his job well the only way he moves on is to be fired. Y'all need to read what you post sometimes before you post it.

Having to pony up more than a few juicy jumbos for a first time ever DC is part of the problem some are missing.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Having to pony up more than a few juicy jumbos for a first time ever DC is part of the problem some are missing.

Absolutely ridiculous we gave him a 3 year contract for $1MM a year and he's never called a game in his life. Selmon just said 17 it with this staff and gave away money.

 

[johnson86-1]

Having to pony up more than a few juicy jumbos for a first time ever DC is part of the problem some are missing.

We didn't have to do that. There is zero chance there wasn't a G5 coordinator we could have gotten for less. Even if Lebby is disliked and/or thought to be a moron so that better DC candidates were off the table, if the choice was between giving a $3M guarantee to an unqualified candidate from a p4 school or giving $2M guaranteed to a good DC from G5 school, you go with the cheaper unproven option.

I find it hard to believe though that as many head coaches get fired every year, there wasn't a retread option that could have been at least mildly competent at DC and also helped Lebby transition to being a first time head coach.

And if you are at the point where you are having to give a $3M guarantee to an unqualified DC, you have to think about whether with as much money as you have sunk into the head coaching contract you don't need to go even bigger until you get somebody that can at least give Lebby a chance to not suck his first year.

 

[birdawg]

We didn't have to do that. There is zero chance there wasn't a G5 coordinator we could have gotten for less. Even if Lebby is disliked and/or thought to be a moron so that better DC candidates were off the table, if the choice was between giving a $3M guarantee to an unqualified candidate from a p4 school or giving $2M guaranteed to a good DC from G5 school, you go with the cheaper unproven option.

I find it hard to believe though that as many head coaches get fired every year, there wasn't a retread option that could have been at least mildly competent at DC and also helped Lebby transition to being a first time head coach.

And if you are at the point where you are having to give a $3M guarantee to an unqualified DC, you have to think about whether with as much money as you have sunk into the head coaching contract you don't need to go even bigger until you get somebody that can at least give Lebby a chance to not suck his first year.

Agree completely and would take it a step further...

We could've paid Hutzler exactly what he was making as a special teams coordinator for an opportunity to put "SEC Defensive Coordinator" on his resume. The guy had literally never called a play at any level.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Selmon: We can't afford a couple million to upgrade our stadium sound system
Also Selmon: Let's pay this no experience special teams coach a guaranteed $3MM to be our DC

We hire idiots!