Are some fans so filled with hate for CMS
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Your probably correct. I would be defending the young men against fair weather fans but No I would be hoping for new leadership minus the vitriol.
No two ways about it. Another loss yesterday would have gone a long way towards righting the ship......ie ...ridding UK athletics of Mitch. Some of you fans need to put your Tony Robbins books down and open your eyes. The realist fans that want Stoops gone are simply projecting.......just as Mitch did when he gave Stoops the dumbest contract extension in history.
I don't hate Stoops at all. I just happen to think he is very poor head coach. Now Barnhart? His ineptitude, smugness and moronic decisions have led me to have a very strong dislike of him.
The best those wanting a change can hope for is either a sudden waking up of the team or someone finding an NCAA violation that will negate Stoops buyout. Other than that....since the coach stated he had to recruit harder on the front seven, we are looking at about five more years of bad football....and THATS if the offense doesn't backside.
The nonsense in ir all is this. If we were to somehow miraculously turn things around an pull out 6 wins and make a bowl, no matter how small the bowl. People will be pissed because it means Stoops will be kept. But yet isn't that exactly the progress we hoped for all along knowing that next year should be the make or break year?
People bought into CMS emotionally. Fans are part owners. CMS has failed to deliver, now the fans are reacting emotionally. It is the landscape of college sports today. I feel sorry for the players. But while I hold them accountable for their attitude and effort, I don't necessarily blame them for the product on the field. That is on the coaching staff.
I like Mark Stoops and I met him in person during a vacation in Florida. He is a good guy and works hard.
We are just incredibly disappointed by what we see on the field. Players can't even get lined up on the D-Line. Blown coverages, etc.
Can that get better? I'm hoping for a miracle in Year 4.
We are just incredibly disappointed by what we see on the field. Players can't even get lined up on the D-Line. Blown coverages, etc.
Can that get better? I'm hoping for a miracle in Year 4.
Like you said... vs a very poor team without their best players.
Please revisit after USC game and if we look good then your point will be valid.
Not true. Win 6 and get to a bowl turns many of us back around. That would mean some serious coaching and major adjustments had been made.
It's not just the negative nancy's that pull the gross exaggerations here...
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Very true that Stoops and others haven't gotten credit for some of the positive things. For one, Snell looks very well coached, Conrad has improved, and our special teams are better than last season.
Wrong. Coaches/programs need all the support they can get from whom ever wants to give it at any time they feel like providing it.
Where do you think a lot of the money comes from to make these programs possible?
Quite frankly, Mark Stoops wouldn't be on my radar if he wasn't UK's coach.
No silly. Just expressing an opinion based on personal experience of when I played football many years ago. Team wasn't very good and it was not very encouraging to hear some of the comments when we were trying very hard. We had lost our coach to illness and the interim coach was a great guy but not coach. Oh, also based on comments read on this forum.
What an incredible straw man you just constructed. Has anyone said they hate CMS? If nothing else, he's a good negotiator. Barney's the real cancer of our football program. CMS is just in over his head, no worse than Joker, tryin' to make a buck. In this case he's gonna walk away with twenty million plus.
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Could never root for the Cats to lose. That said, the fact that it is clear that CMS is not the guy makes it easier to watch the games. We know we aren't going anywhere so why not just relax and wait for the ax. The die is cast. Hopefully we can beat the gamecocks this week.
well said man. 9 games left, if we dont turn it around i will be leading the charge for a firing. but our best bet is to hope he proves us wrong and turns this thing into a winner.
Give credit where it's due , microwave fans may be one of the biggest and certainly longest burns of all time . Simplistic with maximum sting , that and other things is something some fans can't get over . Obviously there's no changing anyone's mind , I wouldn't want to feel like that all the time over a game .
VFO, your right. Anyone that wants UK to lose so they will get rid of Coach Stoops is NOT a UK fan. They would be better to find someone else to root for. I guarantee you that the players would agree. Whether Stoops stays, or goes will take care of itself, without pulling against the team. I have not, and I will NEVER pull against UK, in any sport, and I sure in hell don't think that anyone who does is a TRUE UK fan.
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I do not think stoops will be able to take uk to the level we want to be at his ceiling is 6 wins in a great year. F that.
I do not support this program at this current pace. I care about uk football. I do not care that mitch gets to his magical number of 6 wins. I do not care that stoops gets a lifetime contract for the city sanitary bowl. I will not support us making that mark.
The real fans of uk will be essential to seeing us compete at a high level, like competing for an east title. We must not support an administration that doesn't have that goal in mind. If you support where we are, you are the problem. If you support our efforts for 5 or 6 win, you're a casual fan, not a real fan invested in this program.
If you go about your Fandom for uk football casually, you'll end up a casualty.
I support uk football as long as they support themselves. Until then, no, I wont, and I hope we continue to downfall until we decide to pick ourselves up. Our administration only cares about the revenue and you want me to support that? Please.
I do not support this program at this current pace. I care about uk football. I do not care that mitch gets to his magical number of 6 wins. I do not care that stoops gets a lifetime contract for the city sanitary bowl. I will not support us making that mark.
The real fans of uk will be essential to seeing us compete at a high level, like competing for an east title. We must not support an administration that doesn't have that goal in mind. If you support where we are, you are the problem. If you support our efforts for 5 or 6 win, you're a casual fan, not a real fan invested in this program.
If you go about your Fandom for uk football casually, you'll end up a casualty.
I support uk football as long as they support themselves. Until then, no, I wont, and I hope we continue to downfall until we decide to pick ourselves up. Our administration only cares about the revenue and you want me to support that? Please.
I have not met a single person who hates Coach Stoops. We do hate his disorganization and his inability to field a respectable defense. His salary and buyout put him in the category that he is expected to do better than he is doing. He is being paid a lot of money and has been given improvements in the facilities that most coaches only dream about. Our stadium and practice facilities are state of the art. It is time to produce on the filed and that starts with stopping poor teams from running the ball down your throat. To call him out is not hate. I spend over $6,000 a year supporting this program. So no I do not hate Stoops I just want him to earn his money.
Who you think is going to come into this job? Some of you guys on here are never happy about football. You bring up all these coaches who would spit put their coffee laughing at the question of whether they would come here and coach or not. I said this last week, it's not about the coaching, its about effort, doing your job and making a play.
Rich Brooks won 3 games in his third year not his forth. He came back to go 8-5. So if Stoops goes 8-5 this year it will be exactly like Brooks. Instead, UK will likely win 3 wins in year 4.
A lot of ridiculous comments from pro-Stoops people. If he wins 6 games, he's golden and no is asking for him to leave. I'm not anti-Stoops but I am anti-losing, and specifically anti-ineptitude and incompetence.
I tell you one thing that really pisses me off and is more about the culture of doing business in big-time sports and having a terrible manger and negotiator in Mitch Barnhart who should be protecting the university's interests is that Mark Stoops and his agent took the university for a ride with this contract extension. Barnhart was a fool for entertaining anything until the season was over or nearly over but now we are on the hook for $12 million and there wasn't even a buyout penalty put in that contract. I know it would never happen because people only care about "getting theirs" but if Mark Stoops was a really good guy he would say, "you know, I have fallen so short of expectations, it's criminal that I get paid $12 million to let me go, how about we split that number".
I'm just surprised Barnhart did not come back with magic beans from that negotiation.
I tell you one thing that really pisses me off and is more about the culture of doing business in big-time sports and having a terrible manger and negotiator in Mitch Barnhart who should be protecting the university's interests is that Mark Stoops and his agent took the university for a ride with this contract extension. Barnhart was a fool for entertaining anything until the season was over or nearly over but now we are on the hook for $12 million and there wasn't even a buyout penalty put in that contract. I know it would never happen because people only care about "getting theirs" but if Mark Stoops was a really good guy he would say, "you know, I have fallen so short of expectations, it's criminal that I get paid $12 million to let me go, how about we split that number".
I'm just surprised Barnhart did not come back with magic beans from that negotiation.
With the current joke of an AD conducting the search, you're right... not a chance to lure anyone worth the effort.
You also make a great point about coaching. If it's "not about the coaching," we should just go forward without one, and save all the money being wasted now.
Anybody is better. It is a coaches job to motivate, prepare and ensure their team wins games. Are you dense? Our current staff is failing miserably on this basic criteria.
A coach at a NON-Power 5 conference school (Brohm, Fleck), coordinator in NFL (Todd Monken) or sitting home (Schiano, Coughlin) would love to start making $4M/yr.
Stoops was a miserable hire. Didn't work out.
He was never a HC. He couldn't make the transition. The guys on the field are all his. The mistakes (all of them) are his.
The only way to keep what little talent we have here, any way to recruit, we need to get get a new staff THIS year.
I didn't hire him. This isnt my mistake, but I knew how to fix it then and I know how to fix it now. Unfortunately we are saddled with albatross contracts to make any move.
Whether it is coaching, or players consistently failing to do their jobs, it is always coaching...
Some of you want to blame the fans and others blame the kids... never the dozen of guys raking in millions each year to guide this program..
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Sure, if 6-6 is considered 'progress.' And that's debatable. But even then, there's simply no way that's going to happen.
I am certainly not blaming fans, just the ones that are always looking for the next Bear Bryant to walk thru that door. Currently the Kentucky football job ranks right up there with dog *** wiper in terms of prestige. Certainly the coaches are on the hook, they always are but did you see some of that defense this week? Whether or not you claim that to be coaching, guys were grossly out of position. Once again, you see one thing, I see another. In the end the cake is baked all the same.