Are there reasons to panic or are there major overreactions?
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Thanks for starting a thread about this. It was weird that such a huge news story had no discussions here.
Neither! Do not panic. There have not been any major overreactions. Listen to people who actually know what they’re talking about. Ignore internet guy with an ignorant opinions.
Neither! Do not panic. There have not been any major overreactions. Listen to people who actually know what they’re talking about. Ignore internet guy with an ignorant opinions.
It’s serious **** but the odds in your favor. That’s the problem it goes from no worry to all the sudden when you do get it too high of a chance at some life altering problem and I’m not just talking death. I had a friend who contracted h1n1 btw mid 40s aged. He was on a ventilator and the bacterial infection from the ventilator caused his organs to begin shutting down. He recovered never was the same physically and killed himself a year later. The thing about these diseases are the scars that get no media coverage. It’s like a soldier who loses his arm in battle. He may not have died but his life is forever changed. Physically and psychologically. The.
Btw the moral of his story it to try to stay off the ventilator. Once the ventilator is in play the outcome isn’t going to be good survive or not.
Btw the moral of his story it to try to stay off the ventilator. Once the ventilator is in play the outcome isn’t going to be good survive or not.
Given what has happened in Northern Italy in such a short amount of time I don't think there are major overreaction. Keeping fans from NCAA games (if they play them at all at this point) and suspending the NBA season sucks but if it slows the spread that is a good thing. I also think you need to lock down hotspots like Seattle as much as possible, if the airport needs to be closed for a couple weeks then close it.
At the same time the virus has made it from Wuhan, China to the Cynthiana Wal-Mart so it is obviously everywhere at this point and its not like I am walking over dead bodies whenever I leave the house.
It seems under control in a lot of the country, but without taking measures that seem extreme now that might not be the case in the future.
At the same time the virus has made it from Wuhan, China to the Cynthiana Wal-Mart so it is obviously everywhere at this point and its not like I am walking over dead bodies whenever I leave the house.
It seems under control in a lot of the country, but without taking measures that seem extreme now that might not be the case in the future.
I need to see some dead bodies. LOTS of them.
Or, just some modicum of proof other than hearsay before I **** myself like a complete coward with the rest of this board.
Or, just some modicum of proof other than hearsay before I **** myself like a complete coward with the rest of this board.
My 2 takeaways are 1). How poor our hygiene is in general and 2) how many people that are sick just continue to mingle with the general public. There seems to be very little common sense in that regard.
I work in healthcare and with a very specific type of terminally ill patient. That patient population should absolutely be taking extra measures to prevent getting it. I think the general public should be using an abundance of common sense and listen to people who have credible opinions.
I work in healthcare and with a very specific type of terminally ill patient. That patient population should absolutely be taking extra measures to prevent getting it. I think the general public should be using an abundance of common sense and listen to people who have credible opinions.
Part of the problem with #2 is large swaths of people have little to no sick leave and will only take time off from work if they physically can't perform the job because they don't get paid enough to be able go on an unpaid leave of absence.
At my last job nobody had sick leave unless they were management. People would routinely come in to work sick because they couldn't afford to miss work and we were only allowed to miss three days or we'd be fired. Though if you had a doctor's notice and had to miss multiple days it would only count as one strike on our record. My last month there was had to send two people home early because they had the flu, but they wouldn't send them home until they were able to get someone to come in and cover their shift.
This country's refusal to properly treat and compensate their employees is going to make slowing down the spread of Coronavirus a lot harder than it needs to be.
You won’t see them. The closest you’ll get is the seeing videos of the fire from the football field-sized burn pits, at night, outside the hospitals in Wuhan. Those were up in January, but are mostly scrubbed now. The other fave is the two toddlers with face masks on getting put in one body bag in the hallway at a morgue - to save supplies.
That’s JonestownFrom Wuhan...
So you're the bastard that bought all the toilet paper!
Totally fake. Those are all paid crisis actors.From Wuhan...
Well, paid crisis corpses.
No overreactions? Have you tried to buy TP, hand sanitizer, cleaning supplies lately? My buddy called me yesterday from a PACKED Costco and said they sold 56 skids of TP in 3 hours.
The truth in situations like this almost always lies somewhere in the middle.
Almost always better to be overprepared than underprepared, especially when it comes to health.
I was addressing possible overreactions by public health authorities. And by governments and sports leagues that have canceled events. Those are not overreactions.
I think we can all agree that individuals that have stockpiled TP as if they will be sheltered-in-place until Xmas have most certainly overreacted.
This season (US):
222,000 flu cases and 15762 deaths. 7.1 % mortality rate*
1,864 CV19 cases and 41 deaths. 2.2 % morality rate
*keep in mind the 7.1% is a blend of influenza & pneumonia rates. Not sure why the combine these, but apparently they are a comorbidity.
Funny, I don't recall us destroying our economy and shutting down everything every flu season.
Welcome to the age of MSM & social media created hysteria and irrationality.
Someone will be along shortly to tell me that I don't understand the gravity of the issue.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...coronavirus/&usg=AOvVaw3kNWYzks92mP5xVSU6CwDa
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
222,000 flu cases and 15762 deaths. 7.1 % mortality rate*
1,864 CV19 cases and 41 deaths. 2.2 % morality rate
*keep in mind the 7.1% is a blend of influenza & pneumonia rates. Not sure why the combine these, but apparently they are a comorbidity.
Funny, I don't recall us destroying our economy and shutting down everything every flu season.
Welcome to the age of MSM & social media created hysteria and irrationality.
Someone will be along shortly to tell me that I don't understand the gravity of the issue.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...coronavirus/&usg=AOvVaw3kNWYzks92mP5xVSU6CwDa
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
^You completely misread - and misreported - the data from the links you gave.
222,000 cases of flu in the US this season? Nope.
222,000 cases of flu AND pneumonia. Yep.
Pretty important distinction.
"CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from flu."
222,000 cases of flu in the US this season? Nope.
222,000 cases of flu AND pneumonia. Yep.
Pretty important distinction.
"CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from flu."
Oh, OK. I followed a link that reported 22,000 deaths. I missed the quote you just posted(thanks) and then just based the mortality number on 7.1% P & I comorbidity number. So the total influenza cases are much more (makes sense), the mortality percentage is much lower (makes sense), and the overall influenza mortality is higher.
So let's try this again.
36 million influenza cases, with 22,000 deaths and 0.06 % mortality rate
1,864, CV19 cases, with 41 deaths, and 2.2% mortality rate
Better?
Keep in mind, that 36 million flu cases is with vaccinations available. Which is a little scary.
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I’m willing to bet more people are going to die in automobile accidents going to or from the store to ‘prepare’ them self for this virus than what will die from the virus itself.
This post is a pretty nice example of an epic fail.
The 7.1% is not the mortality rate for patients who contract the flu. It’s the percentage of all deaths that week due to flu / pneumonia. In other words, of everyone who died that week, 7% died of flu and 93% died of something else (e.g., cancer).
The mortality rate amongst flu patients this year is estimated to be less than 0.1%.
Maybe you should read the CDC page a bit more carefully.
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Reworked the numbers and the flu mortality rate THIS Season is 0.6%. at this point.. But nice piggybacking off of what BeaveUKGT already pointed out.
Your math is wrong. 22,000 out of 36 million is not 0.6%.
It’s 0.06%. Which means if you assume COVID-19 has a 2.2% mortality rate, then COVID-19 is 37 times more fatal than this year’s seasonal flu.
It was a simple typo. You obviously have a hard on for me. Did I hurt your feeling in the past over something? It should have a higher mortality rate since there's no immunity or vaccination available. Yet even with vaccination available, flu has killed nearly 537 times more Americans this season up to this point. So there are obviously a lot more factors involved...namely how contagious it is. Also, nearly half those 41 deaths happened in the same assisted living facility which is probably skewing those numbers up some.
Update: 2269 US cases, with 48 deaths. Now 2.12%
(included 2 significant digits so you wouldn't cry foul for rounding to 2.1%)
If it were merely a typo, it seems unlikely you would make that same mistake in two different posts.
As to whether you’ve hurt my feelings, that seems unlikely as I don’t recall ever responding to your posts before this thread.
But that’s kind of the purpose of a message board - to post and respond to things. In this case, you threw out some wildly inaccurate numbers as support for your assertion that this is mostly social media driven hysteria. I find that opinion to be one that is woefully misinformed, so I chose to respond.
But since you seem a bit sensitive about that, then this will be my last reply to you and I’ll leave you to go on you way. Take it easy.
As to whether you’ve hurt my feelings, that seems unlikely as I don’t recall ever responding to your posts before this thread.
But that’s kind of the purpose of a message board - to post and respond to things. In this case, you threw out some wildly inaccurate numbers as support for your assertion that this is mostly social media driven hysteria. I find that opinion to be one that is woefully misinformed, so I chose to respond.
But since you seem a bit sensitive about that, then this will be my last reply to you and I’ll leave you to go on you way. Take it easy.