Are we grasping at straws??? (RANT)

aTotal360 · Sep 26, 2011

So...we are not as good as we thought we'd be. And now the excuses are pilling up of why we played like crap against La Tech.<div>1) play calling - now I not Bill Walsh, but if you execute the called play properly, your play calling is genius. If you don't successfully execute the play, you are a terrible play caller. Is that how it works?</div><div>2)personneldecisions - do people honestly think Mullen is leaving a plethora of talent wasting away on the sidelines (redshirt or not)? Sorry people, our best player ARE in the game.</div><div>3) the music - this is my favorite. people are acting like they have lost all ability to cheer unless they are being directed by a song. 17ing yell, its that simple.</div><div>4) too many ads on the jumbotron - well, we have to pay bills. We have a coach with a top 25 salary and he needs his chedda. We asked for it.</div><div>
</div><div>Reality Check</div><div>1) We lost our 2 best run stoppers to the NFL</div><div>2) We lost our fastest and probably best all around LB to the NFL</div><div>3) We lost our best OL to the NFL</div><div>4) We lost our 2 best assistant coaches to other teams</div><div>5) Our DL wasover-hyped</div><div>6) Our LT is a converted DL</div><div>
</div><div>Did you guys really see us being better than last year? How?</div><div>
</div><div>There are several points I cansomewhatagree with, but for the most part, it seems like people are just wanting to play the blame game.</div><div>
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aTotal360 · Sep 26, 2011

So...we are not as good as we thought we'd be. And now the excuses are pilling up of why we played like crap against La Tech.<div>1) play calling - now I not Bill Walsh, but if you execute the called play properly, your play calling is genius. If you don't successfully execute the play, you are a terrible play caller. Is that how it works?</div><div>2)personneldecisions - do people honestly think Mullen is leaving a plethora of talent wasting away on the sidelines (redshirt or not)? Sorry people, our best player ARE in the game.</div><div>3) the music - this is my favorite. people are acting like they have lost all ability to cheer unless they are being directed by a song. 17ing yell, its that simple.</div><div>4) too many ads on the jumbotron - well, we have to pay bills. We have a coach with a top 25 salary and he needs his chedda. We asked for it.</div><div>
</div><div>Reality Check</div><div>1) We lost our 2 best run stoppers to the NFL</div><div>2) We lost our fastest and probably best all around LB to the NFL</div><div>3) We lost our best OL to the NFL</div><div>4) We lost our 2 best assistant coaches to other teams</div><div>5) Our DL wasover-hyped</div><div>6) Our LT is a converted DL</div><div>
</div><div>Did you guys really see us being better than last year? How?</div><div>
</div><div>There are several points I cansomewhatagree with, but for the most part, it seems like people are just wanting to play the blame game.</div><div>
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shsdawg · Sep 26, 2011

going in was offensive line depth. We were thin and we have lost two already. From what I've seen I think the two replacements will be pretty good linemen with experience. It just takes time with linemen. Revamping in the middle of the season us never a good thing either. Chemistry is important. A little stability up front might go a long way.

Foronce · Sep 26, 2011

it is like because we string 9 wins together we forget about 10 years of instant suck...

how dare our team overlook an opponent match in between two sec opponents two years in a row...
you really think we gameplaned for la tech when we had lsu last week and georgia next, we won the game, we were flat ...the stadium and fans were flat has hell to for our first saturday game, when we could enjoy a great day to tailgate

we do have some problems, we are not as good as we expected ...we are a hell of a lot further than a 3 win team

most people wanted to just win consistently ...we are working on doing that, it is a process ...i am not saying MSTATE can't win alot of game in the future, but we just replaced a shitload of talent and at MSU depth isn't just sitting there... our mlb that went to the NFL, yeah he was replaced by an acc guy that xfer'ed cause he was mad he could play mlb in the acc and a 5 year walk-on ...we are building it takes time ...we had 4 eff'ing wr 3 years ago

bsm138 · Sep 26, 2011

and having another whole offseason to "improve" his passing/timing with every receiver returning.. Ballard and Perkins getting stronger and faster Returning the entire secondary and a good base of the O and D lines, yes I came into this season expecting no less than 8 wins.

7 will be a disappointment and 6 will be a tragedy

Seinfeld · Sep 26, 2011

but I think that a lot of people who had SEC championship aspirations need to take a hard reality check. There are several issues with this team right now, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why so many fans seem to think that we can get out recruited by 2/3 or more of the conference year after year but the coaches can simply coach them up. We went 9-4 last year which included wins over against Georgia(first win in 36 years) and in Gainesville(first time in 45 years). So now we suddenly think that we're supposed to win at Auburn, at Georgia, and pile up 6-7 other wins in the process to get to a solid bowl game.

This is not some "poor ol' MSU" post where I think we all need to be satisfied with 6 wins, but rather a simple dose of reality. We did some great things last year, but until we start bringing in talent that is at least moderately close to the big boys, we're going to do very well to get 8-9 wins. Our starters are not even on par with the cream of the SEC crop, but when you start digging into reserves due to injuries, the dropoff really starts to show its ugly face.

If there's one thing that I could blame Mullen for, it's that he probably needs to tone down the hype he's created. I'm not saying to take the energy out of the program, but he is the one that keeps talking about championships and taking the next step. The fact of the matter is that this team just ain't ready for that yet.

Shmuley · Sep 26, 2011

we didn't want to believe it would translate into the shitpile on display last Saturday night. Well, the light of day has exposed his achilles heel.

We all cringed at the thought of Diaz waltzing off to make his fortune and career away from vegas. We didn't want to believe he was as good as advertised. We wanted to believe Wilson was the brains behind the system. Just plug and play. Well, it appears our fears were warranted.

Dude better bring it come February. And son of diaz better get his *** in gear and find a way to create pressure.

boomboommsu · Sep 26, 2011

I was on here last week trying to lay out some reason, we lost to a top 3 team, we lost players to NFL, etc. I did not see us as being better than last year, i thought we'd be lucky to win 8 games.

But we just needed OT to beat LA TECH! LA 17ing TECH! On top of that, there doesn't seem to have been any improvement on issues we've seen all season long (clock management, play calling, adjustments at half). The playbook is looking awfully thin and tired, and I for one am starting to wonder if Mullen came in with a good playbook, but now that it's been adjusted to he may not have what it takes to out-adjust the other side.I'm more inclined to think Relf is just not capable of running a different offense, but where are the shovel pass plays we used to use? Where are the rollouts?

boomboommsu · Sep 26, 2011

we spotted Auburn 14, we were clearly outcoached at halftime in the last 3 games, the playcalling looks like it comes out of one of those folded-paper flower things, and the clock-managment decisions defy all logic.

i don't think you can blame a LA TECH ****-turd on recruiting. The defense looked about as expected on saturday. and Mullen doesn't seem to think he's ever made a questionable coaching decision.

TheGodfather · Sep 26, 2011

Look at it this way guys. Auburn barely beats Utah State and then loses to number 13 Clemson. We lose to Auburn at Auburn by 7 and should have scored on the goal line with no time left then we lose to LSU the number one time in the nation. Yea we played flat but guess what we got a W thats all that 17 matters. At the end of the year who gives a flyin 17 about the score as long as we win what does it matter how we win.

EAVdog · Sep 26, 2011

I'm withholding my freakout until after this weekend. Playing Georgia will be a much better indicator of this team. I really got the feeling Saturday night that we were treating this game sort of like a scrimage. Kind of like, hey let's try out all these plays we never get to use, or hey let's pass 3 downs in a row for ten possessions, or hey let's try a silly fake punt play that hasn't worked yet (remember GaTech in 09). The problem is we ended up getting caught in a tight game due to some dumb decisions and bad luck. This game just feels like the UAB game, where we should not have really been in a close game but we were. That game didn't wreck our season last year, I'm hoping this is the case.
Having said that we better come out with a different gameplan against UGA. They are beatable if we don't screw around. We need to get back to running the ball better and going play action pass. Hopefully Carmon comingback canhelp make that happen.

maroonmania · Sep 26, 2011

after Saturday because we won. But we shouldn't get lost on the fact that we were one horrendous play call from LT from likely seeing our entire season get flushed down the crapper. Had LT just ran the ball to the middle of the field and kicked a short FG for a 23-20 lead instead of flinging a jump ball into the end zone for Banks to intercept I think we would all be in a very, very foul mood this week because the way our offense was playing at the end of that game I don't really believe we could have marched the entire field to either tie or win. To have gone to 1-3 with a LT loss and the meat of our schedule still upcoming you could have essentially stuck a fork in us for this season being in any way successful.

tenureplan · Sep 26, 2011

LR1400 · Sep 26, 2011

aTotal360 said:
So...we are not as good as we thought we'd be. And now the excuses are pilling up of why we played like crap against La Tech.<div>1) play calling - now I not Bill Walsh, but if you execute the called play properly, your play calling is genius. If you don't successfully execute the play, you are a terrible play caller. Is that how it works?</div><div>2)personneldecisions - do people honestly think Mullen is leaving a plethora of talent wasting away on the sidelines (redshirt or not)? Sorry people, our best player ARE in the game.</div><div>3) the music - this is my favorite. people are acting like they have lost all ability to cheer unless they are being directed by a song. 17ing yell, its that simple.</div><div>4) too many ads on the jumbotron - well, we have to pay bills. We have a coach with a top 25 salary and he needs his chedda. We asked for it.</div><div>
</div><div>Reality Check</div><div>1) We lost our 2 best run stoppers to the NFL</div><div>2) We lost our fastest and probably best all around LB to the NFL</div><div>3) We lost our best OL to the NFL</div><div>4) We lost our 2 best assistant coaches to other teams</div><div>5) Our DL wasover-hyped</div><div>6) Our LT is a converted DL</div><div>
</div><div>Did you guys really see us being better than last year? How?</div><div>
</div><div>There are several points I cansomewhatagree with, but for the most part, it seems like people are just wanting to play the blame game.</div><div>
</div>

Agree on all except two best assistants. Hudspeth was not good. Sorry. I WR were worse last year than this year.

I can not fathom how anyone could see us winning more than 7 games at best.

gravedigger · Sep 26, 2011

team we lost to in 2008. We certainly arent either.

Last year we struggled with UAB at home and our fanbase figured out a way to get over that.

My thinking is that by seasons end, we wont give much of a crap about this near miss either.

shsdawg · Sep 26, 2011

bsm138 said:
and having another whole offseason to "improve" his passing/timing with every receiver returning.. Ballard and Perkins getting stronger and faster Returning the entire secondary and a good base of the O and D lines, yes I came into this season expecting no less than 8 wins.

7 will be a disappointment and 6 will be a tragedy

had one of the worst defenses in college football last year. So did Ole Miss. So did Arkansas. We did NOT return a good base on the defensive front seben by the way. We did return a good base on the O line, but two of the three haven't played much due to injury.

aerodawg.sixpack · Sep 26, 2011

1) play calling - now I not Bill Walsh, but if you execute the called
play properly, your play calling is genius. If you don't successfully
execute the play, you are a terrible play caller. Is that how it works?

Yeah that is how it works if you are not running the same plays over and over again with no success and refuse to keep doing what is working during the game. Case in point, Auburn: Ballard is bulldozing them, the speed option is working pretty well with Perkins and we drive down the field. After 1 quarter of this you stop it and get cute trying to throw down field for 2 quarters, and then finally go back to what you were doing with about 8 mins left in the game. Same thing with La Tech. We were doing quite well running it outside, but we stubbornly kept trying to drive it right up the middle with Relf or throw it 20 yards down field to no avail. It is definitely poor execution the first few times you try it. But after 10 tries it is pathetic play calling.

2)personneldecisions - do people honestly think Mullen is leaving a
plethora of talent wasting away on the sidelines (redshirt or not)?
Sorry people, our best player ARE in the game.

Agree completely.

3) the music - this is my favorite. people are acting like they have
lost all ability to cheer unless they are being directed by a song.
17ing yell, its that simple.

I agree with you here, but it is pathetic that they dropped off so much from last year with the music/atmosphere.

4) too many ads on the jumbotron - well, we have to pay bills. We have a
coach with a top 25 salary and he needs his chedda. We asked for it.

Would be valid if the athletic department paid more than $250,000 (i think thats the number?) of his salary. But since that did not increase at all in accordance with law I don't believe your point is valid. We did get new ribbon boards, and are looking at expanding the stadium though, so the ads are completely understandable. With that said, they can manage them better so that the other team is not snapping the ball 5 seconds after an ad, leaving most people quiet before and during the snap.

I agree with everything in your reality check except the losing our two best assistants. We definitely lost our best in Manny Diaz but what did Hudspeth do that showed a dropoff this year? It is not like our receivers were good last year, or really improved over the year before. Not saying he is a bad coach, I just don't see the basis for that statement.

perch0 · Sep 26, 2011

I will also add. I was at the La Tech game and I am guilty. The
fans were not in that game from the get go. We depend on the team to get
us in the game and just maybe it should be the other way around. We
should get the team into the game. It is tough to come from playing
Auburn and LSU back to back and be pumped for LT. Maybe it was our job to pump the team up and we didn't.. And as I said I was guilty of not doing so.

perch0 · Sep 26, 2011

Shmuley said:
we didn't want to believe it would translate into the shitpile on display last Saturday night. Well, the light of day has exposed his achilles heel.

We all cringed at the thought of Diaz waltzing off to make his fortune and career away from vegas. We didn't want to believe he was as good as advertised. We wanted to believe Wilson was the brains behind the system. Just plug and play. Well, it appears our fears were warranted.

Dude better bring it come February. And son of diaz better get his *** in gear and find a way to create pressure.

I do not think Wilson has the talent nor maturity that Manny had last year.

We are going have to take a few chances on defense.

bruiser.sixpack · Sep 26, 2011

LR1400 said:
aTotal360 said:

So...we are not as good as we thought we'd be. And now the excuses are pilling up of why we played like crap against La Tech.
<div>1) play calling - now I not Bill Walsh, but if you execute the called play properly, your play calling is genius. If you don't successfully execute the play, you are a terrible play caller. Is that how it works?</div><div>2)personneldecisions - do people honestly think Mullen is leaving a plethora of talent wasting away on the sidelines (redshirt or not)? Sorry people, our best player ARE in the game.</div><div>3) the music - this is my favorite. people are acting like they have lost all ability to cheer unless they are being directed by a song. 17ing yell, its that simple.</div><div>4) too many ads on the jumbotron - well, we have to pay bills. We have a coach with a top 25 salary and he needs his chedda. We asked for it.</div><div>
</div><div>Reality Check</div><div>1) We lost our 2 best run stoppers to the NFL</div><div>2) We lost our fastest and probably best all around LB to the NFL</div><div>3) We lost our best OL to the NFL</div><div>4) We lost our 2 best assistant coaches to other teams</div><div>5) Our DL wasover-hyped</div><div>6) Our LT is a converted DL</div><div>
</div><div>Did you guys really see us being better than last year? How?</div><div>
</div><div>There are several points I cansomewhatagree with, but for the most part, it seems like people are just wanting to play the blame game.</div><div>
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Agree on all except two best assistants. Hudspeth was not good. Sorry. I WR were worse last year than this year.

I can not fathom how anyone could see us winning more than 7 games at best.

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Uncle Ruckus · Sep 26, 2011

that's the thing i don't get. people wanting favre to play. people saying burn morrow's redshirt. if those guys were one of the best 11 then they would be on the field. no question.

Todd4State · Sep 26, 2011

but he was in my opinion our best recruiter.

He leaves, and then everything hits the fan on the recruiting front.

vicious · Sep 26, 2011

ditto to what you just said.....Wilson better get his *** in gear or he's gone!

cdjay · Sep 26, 2011

1. Wilson's defensive production is just as good as Diaz's at this point last season.
2. Diaz had four studs that Wilson's players couldn't carry their jock strap!
3. Collins is Co-DC and coaches our "stellar" LBs. None of you are calling him out.
4. Our crappy offensive coaching keeps the defense in bind.
a) special teams suck
b) wide receivers suck, but no one talks about DM hiring last year's "waterboy" to coach them
c) pitiful offensive strategy keeps the D on the field.
5. The offensive lost at Auburn. And if not for the Defensive, would have lost to LT.
6. But if this is not enough for you with the plantation mentality, go ahead and fire Wilson, Hughes and Smith. Hell, fire Knox too while you are at it!

hulkbuster · Sep 27, 2011

cdjay is on the money with his post. Everybody thinks Manny was SO damned good. Let's call it what it was, hr benefited GREATLY w/ having 4 NFL kids on his defense. People forget "his" D still gave up a **** ton of yds to a lot of teams. I still remember Alcorn's big QB shredding his D like he was Cam Newton. So chill out on the Wilson bashing. Like I've said in other posts, our problem w/ the inside draws, counters & between the tackles type of runs is the Guard have **** the bed. That's why they are gonna move Carmon to G. All the pressure for Relf when he dropped back was coming from there, that's why he couldn't run his draws too. He's not an out of the pocket runner. He is used to running behind the G's. I don't have an answer why they suck ***, but they do (the G's). But I feel we overlooked Tech & it almost bit us in the ***. Somebody else said it but I'm gonna repeat it, this week will be a better barometer of what kind of team we have. Oh BTW, years ago we would've found a way to lose that game vs. Tech. Jackie did & so did Croom.

FISHDAWG · Sep 27, 2011

but if it is then I'll take the season in that light ... if not, then I beleive next year will be better .... if not, then the naysayers are justified because I have seen some pretty big brain farts from players & coaches ..... having said all that, if you want to see some very REAL RANTING, then just breeze through Nafoom and remember we are no where near that point yet

bullysleftnut · Sep 27, 2011

If we'd managed a win at Auburn the board would be a lot less PMS-filled right now. 3-1 after a fairly close game with LSU and going into a Georgia game where they look vulnerable would have people giddy.

Instead we have the hand-wringing because we lost a game we shouldn't have where our D played like crap, then we had two games where our Offense has been out of synch.

Despite all that, we're still in the top half of the SEC in total offense I believe, and Chris Relf is one of the better QBs in the league.

I think we'll see a decent to good game out of the offense on Saturday. If our Defense steps up we'll get another win.

patdog · Sep 27, 2011

Whatever happens the rest of the season, we'll wind up with 1 less win than we should have. </p>

SyonaraStanz · Sep 27, 2011

I questioned Collins after the Auburn, only to be told how stupid I was by a couple 6-packers. I don't know if he's the problem, but he deserves a look.

The loss at Auburn was a combined effort. I thought our O kept us in the game, but then Auburn played a couple more games, and I realized everyone will rack up a ton of yards and points against them this year. However, our D was pathetic that game. They got no pressure on the quarterback and let the Auburn RB's have a field day.

dogfan96 · Sep 27, 2011

I think they passed for less than 150 yards and a ton of that came on one play

hulkbuster · Sep 27, 2011

Meant to say earlier 3 NFL guys (instead of 4) on D. But we DID lose the ENTIRE starting LB core last year w/ KJ & Chris both going pro & Michael Hunt was a Sr. We are starting either a 5yr walk on @ MLB, or a Maye who is in his first yr, a converted Safety (who has flashes of being REALLY good) who is a red shirt freshmen in Wells and (to me) the most improved player on defense from last year Cam. He has gotten bigger, stronger (& after the Memphis & Auburn game) is maintaining gap assignments & gap integrity. Mitchell has been caught TWICE not giving safety help over the top vs LSU &La Tech. Hope he does a better job from here on out, otherwise we are gonna be in trouble vs. Georgia, S.C, and Arkansas w/ them having LEGIT deep threats!

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