Argument that Alabama should not be a BCS title game finalist...

anon1751035439

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VirgilCain

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I would be frightened to witness the aftermath of such an announcement... those freaks would go apeshit. The thought brings to mind a certain quote from a highly respected scientist, Dr. Peter Venkman, "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! "

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RebelBruiser

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Even better, all the bowl match ups are set now, so if they were able to do something about that, you'd have a rematch of Bama and Florida in the Sugar Bowl.

It would never happen, but it would be fun to watch if it did...at least from a safe distance. There would definitely be some deaths associated with that type of announcement.
 

patdog

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"Major" probation is a probation that includes a bowl ban. Alabama is on probation, but there's no bowl ban, so it's not a "major" probation and they're eligible for the coaches poll. This guy's either an idiot or he's intentionally twisting the facts.
 

JohnDawg

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This is straight from the NCAA website:

"The NCAA placed Alabama's football program and 15 other of the school's athletic teams on three years probation for major violations due to misuse of free textbooks."

So you get put on "minor" probation for "major" violations? What the 17 is that? They would have had our campus bulldozed if we would have done something like this.
 

8dog

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In fact, violations, probation, and sanctions are all separate things.

You commit violations which can get you on probation. These violations can also get you sanctions, which is what most people consider probation. Sanctions may last only 2 years while you may be on probation for 5 (see our lasst NCAA violations). Patdog is saying that "major probation" is defined by the sanction, not the violation.
 

Agentdog

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....when they come out with "Got 13?". That dude can update his youtube video with these facts. What will that make? About 8 NCs they should not have.
 

jackobee

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So you get put on "minor" probation for "major" violations?</p>

Only if you're an Alabama. I think if you are another school, say a Ball State, you get much more harsh treatment for the same violations.</p>
 

8dog

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I don't understand why people act like they get a free pass as far as cheating.

The sanctions they got when Shula took over was the worst since ole miss got which was the worst since SMU.

Maybe times are changing with Saban at the helm, but the NCAA has been no friend to Bama.
 

patdog

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I bet you can't find more than 1 or 2 schools that are currently banned from a bowl game this year. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there are no schools currently banned from a bowl. With the bowls needing well over 1/2 the teams in I-A, bowl bans have become very rare.
 

DowntownDawg

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....you are making a subjective determination that a bowl ban constitutes major probation, when in reality that's not been said. Somebody needs to get the USA Today's definition of "major probation," since the coaches' ability or inability to vote for Bama in that poll only is the issue at hand. If there's been a screwup or an oversight, it's on USA Today.
 

shaschboy

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Allready on Nafoom as well. Keep it going. Nothing better than to get those cheatin' bastard cut down to size.

I live in B-ham and it's amazing how quick Saban got the best talent in there. Can we say "Calipari?". If you want to know how he does it, just travel to Gadsden, AL and ask questions.
 

jackobee

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Statements from NCAA - Ball State versus Alabama. These programs were investigated for the same violations.

Ball State: (USDA Today)

The NCAA put Ball State on probation for two years and cut three football scholarships for misusing a textbook loan program.
<p class="inside-copy">The penalties announced Tuesday by the Division I Committee on Infractions also included a reduction of money available for men's tennis scholarships and a restriction on the number of hours per week allowed for softball practice.

The Committee on Infractions believed that the scope and nature of the violations demonstrated a failure to exercise institutional control in the conduct and administration of the book-loan and softball programs," the NCAA said. "It found that the university failed to establish adequate rules education to student-athletes and staff to ensure the use of athletics aid at the bookstore met NCAA regulations."

Alabama's statement (same infraction but on a wider scale

The NCAA's Committee on Infractions said Thursday the football team must forfeit an unspecified number of wins in which any of seven players took part during 2005-2007. The university identified the seven as "intentional wrongdoers."
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The NCAA said that 201 student-athletes in the 16 sports, including men's basketball, obtained "impermissible benefits" by using their scholarships to obtain free textbooks for other students. It also found the university guilty of "failure to monitor."

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"Although the committee commends the institution for self-discovering, investigating and reporting the textbook violations, it remains troubled, nonetheless, by the scope of the violations in this instance and by the institution's recent history of infractions cases," the NCAA said.</p>
Where is the accusation that Alabama showed a failure to exercise institutional control. Isn't that the big one in NCAA speak?
 

JohnDawg

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that major violations would lead to major probation. In the same sense, minor/secondary violations would lead to minor probation. Just makes it less complex.
 

8dog

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that's pretty ridiculous.

Institutional control is an overblown term. If you look at the infractions database there are schools that got lack of IC and got no penalties. Then there are schools that didn't get it and got sanctions.
 

patdog

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Teams with a bowl ban have never been eligible to receive votes in the coaches poll. Barry Switzer had a couple of Oklahoma teams way back in the 1970s that won the AP national title while banned from a bowl and had to share the national title with whoever the UPI #1 was (UPI = old sponsor of coaches poll).
 

8dog

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while others are thinking its something of principle.

The poll just doesn't want you voting someone #1 that can't even play in the nationa title game. I don't think they are trying to take a stance against ncaa violators.