Ark-MSU Foul and FT discrepancy thread

She Mate Me

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For my own edification as time allows I am going to rewatch the game looking for called and uncalled fouls to see if we really got a huge advantage from the officials since Arky fans seem to think so. I will add update edits as I go. Please feel free to ignore, this just seems like a good place to post the results.

First 10 minutes - 1st Half

ARK called for 5 fouls, all on shots in or near the paint on O Rebs or aggressive drives to the basket by Lil Spoon, Peters, Carter and Ado. Nothing controversial at all and 2 more fouls could have been called on similar shots. 10 FT shot by Dawgs.

MSU called for 3 fouls, all in the half court defense in non shooting situations. I saw nothing else that rose to the level of an obvious foul in any way and the fouls called weren't blatant. 0 FT shot by Ark.

2nd 10 minutes - 1st Half

ARK called for 6 fouls - EJ pushed receiving pass, CJ Jones with pretty obvious push off of Carter on O away from ball, Carter with hard baseline drive to hoop and fouled hard for the and 1, Ado trapped in corner but bailed out by overly aggressive guarding by Ark guard who is clearly called for bringing arms down and reaching (9th foul so 1&1 and misses front end), lil Spoon drives aggressively to hoop after Macon FTs obvious two shot foul called, Q drives lane into three defenders a bit out of control and gets the call for 2 shots (not unusual, no protesting from Ark)

MSU called for 2 fouls - Q with a possible foul on 3 pointer follow thru by Macon not called (not much), Macon obviously fouled by Q on putback attempt (first two Ark FTs), Nick fouls Barford on drive to hoop 2 shots (after Q is clearly popped in face following a 3 attempt, goes to bench, no call), possible fouls underneath as we defend hard but female announcer notes good D by Ado w/o fouling walk called.

Aggressive defending from both teams without fouls called on multiple occasions, but I saw no inconsistencies.

1st Half Summary - ARK commits 11 fouls and MSU shoots 16 FTs, MSU commits 5 fouls and Ark shoots 4 FTs. Big discrepency, but I see no way an impartial observer finds the officiating biased in any way. What stood out to me is both teams play aggressive D, but MSU just doesn't reach as much or commit stupid fouls once they're beat. Just a better schooled, more efficient defensive team, which is Howland's MO.

First 10 minutes - 2nd Half

MSU called for 4 fouls - Q drives into Arky O Foul properly called, Ado called for and one as Gafney glides by him couldve been no call not hard foul, BS call on Holman defending Gafford turnaround Howland Holman Crowd and I thought it was a no call, Holman fouls Bailey on transition drive 2 shots. 5 FT shot by ARK.

ARK called for 6 Fouls - Q drives lane in 1st min gets tied up could've easily been a foul on Arky, Macon drives lane for finger roll knocking back a set Holman no foul, Ark with obvious and dumb reach in foul after Holman D rebound, Nick takes knee to thigh on what is probably a moving screen but would rarely be called and wasnt, Thomas slides under X as he comes down on 3 pretty obvious 3 shot called, obvious foul called as Barford steps into Peters on transition drive no FTs, Holman mauled at basket on same possession after good pass from Peters (this struck me as a play where we would have allowed the dunk and Arky was clearly choosing to foul hard), X with nice steal in D lane and then drives it all the way to hoop for and 1 (memorable and great play, 22 FTs to 9 at 10:54 to go), Q gets block call on hard lane drive kinda close but looked like block ref emphatic on call. MSU shoots 8 FT.

3/4 thru game and I see no bias at all. I hesitate to say this, but if anything there have been more calls that didn't go our way, but I would call it a well officiated game. MSU 24 FT, ARK 9 FT. We are about to shoot 16 to their 3 in the last 10 minutes so maybe the bias they saw will be obvious. Back later...

2nd 10 minutes - 2nd Half

MSU called for 2 fouls - Sequence in the 5:30 range were Barford drives lane a bit out of control no call misses shot & Nick does same on our end no call makes shot agree with no calls, Macon fouled by Q on made 3, Q called for 4th on Barford drive looked like good D to me and Q (2 of 2 to tie it 3:35 to go), Ado may foul Gafford in lane but Arky gets stickback for 75 and last pts so no harm if it was a foul 1:30 to go, Good D positioning and straight up arms by Holman and help from Ado on Barford drive at :26 (Ark fans could ***** here but I just see good D in a vital spot). Ark shoots 3 FT.


ARK called for 9 fouls, 2 intentional - Ado with aggressive block of dunk attempt and then fouled when he jumps on loose ball (this was bang bang and ref saw it as clean, I could see Ark complaining about this sequence but it looked clean to me, 1 of 2 FT), Hard foul on Q drive to hoop (bad D threw him down), Nick fouled pretty hard on nice cut to basket and pass from Peters, Macon called for grabbing Ado in lane away from ball ticky call makes 1 of 2, X fouled on drive to hoop in transition after steal Bailey thinks he got it clean I and refs don't, Ado with good O Reb of 3 miss and fouled obviously and hard on putback effort (another case where Ark is obviously fouling Ado rather than allowing bucket, understandable as he misses both badly but a reason for numerous fouls) 2:46 to go, Barford called for big push off O foul at 1:00 I thought it was a good call then and now (opinions will differ), the one spot where they should have fouled Ado hard after he gets loose ball and huge bucket they don't at :39, Intent foul on Q at :22 then on Nick at :05 (we all know the call in between, I thought it was correct). MSU shoots 16 FT, makes 9.

Game Summary - MSU commits 11 fouls and shoots 40 FTs, ARK commits 26 fouls and shoots 12 FTs. Obviously a lot more Ark fouls were in shooting and 1&1 situations causing a lot more FTs for State.

In summary, the foul and FT differential in this game was substantial, but with very few exceptions that went pretty equally in both directions, this was a well officiated game with neither team gaining an advantage from Officials bias. I acknowledge I expected this, but I needed to see it. Sorry for the ridiculously long disjointed post.

Last 10 minutes seems way out of whack, but the 9 Arky fouls were with little exception pretty obvious calls.

Few State fouls were called, but they really just weren't there to call. Even with only 11 called a few could have been no calls. Certainly enough to offset any fouls Arky fans think were missed.
 
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engie

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They are dumb.

I think after Stans finished his initial building back of the program, he won like 12 in a row against Arky in Starkville. They let his last season and the Ray era go to their head. Howland seems to have Anderson's number though.
 

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Next to Kentucky and Vanderbilt, Arkansas is a strong 3rd in the conference getting home cooking over the years. If they got cheated, so be it.
 

She Mate Me

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Next to Kentucky and Vanderbilt, Arkansas is a strong 3rd in the conference getting home cooking over the years. If they got cheated, so be it.

From my perspective, which is way more informed than it should be for a sane person from watching the game 3 times, they absolutely did not get cheated. If they had gotten cheated and we had hit a reasonable percent from 3, it woulda been a blowout.
 

Ranchdawg

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Forever we have witnessed "home cooking" by officials

From my perspective, which is way more informed than it should be for a sane person from watching the game 3 times, they absolutely did not get cheated. If they had gotten cheated and we had hit a reasonable percent from 3, it woulda been a blowout.

So what if it happened once at the Hump! I remember LSU and UK getting "home cooking" on our floor in basketball many times!
 

DawgatAuburn

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Thanks for doing this. I appreciated reading a semi-objective analysis of it.
 

512taylor

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Didn't Jack used to call their style defense as "Karate Ball" because of the overly rough play?