Arky made many goofs in that fateful 9th but the biggest was a quiet, but basic mental error....

[thekimmer]

That is a lapse in fundamental situational awareness that is engrained in every ball player from little league on up.

Last night, runners on 1st and 2nd, 1 out in the ninth, the SS was undoubtedly taught 1000 times that in that situation, the lead runner is MEANINGLESS vs getting outs and keeping that tying run out of scoring position. Sharply hit, cleanly fielded ball by SS, runner on 1st not going on the pitch, the play must go to 2nd. I can't imagine that wasn't verbally reinforced on the field last night but it should not have needed to be.

Mistakes happen, especially under pressure, but that was a big one that turned out to be game changing.

 

[MStateU]

This is true. Also, what in the world is Van Horn thinking pitching to Jones with first open and the winning run already on second? He means nothing standing on first. It sets up force plays all around. He is red hot at the plate. Just epic choke job three plays in a row. The moment just swallowed them up.

 

[kired]

What’s funny is they had a meeting on the mound right before that. It’s like the coach came out and didn’t remind them the lead runner means nothing. I wonder if he even told them to relax and make sure of one - and that’s what the ss did.

 

[GloryDawg]

He probably should have played more travel ball.*****

 

[anon1758050382]

That, to me, is a bigger mistake than the ball in left field. Outfielders will tell you balls straight at you are the hardest. The guy just misplayed it. It could have happened at any time during the season. Unfortunate that it happened there.

Going to third instead of starting a double play was 100% a mental mistake impacted by the stage. That is the most challenging part: You were good enough and had the opportunity to end the game, but the moment got to you.

 

[kired]

The first baseman started in all, ranging to his right to field that ground ball. With a lefty batting that’s a routine play for second. Once that guy got on base they all got nervous.

 

[Pookieray]

That is a lapse in fundamental situational awareness that is engrained in every ball player from little league on up.

Last night, runners on 1st and 2nd, 1 out in the ninth, the SS was undoubtedly taught 1000 times that in that situation, the lead runner is MEANINGLESS vs getting outs and keeping that tying run out of scoring position. Sharply hit, cleanly fielded ball by SS, runner on 1st not going on the pitch, the play goes to 2nd. I can't imagine that wasn't verbally reinforced on the field last night but it should not have needed to be.

Mistakes happen, especially under pressure, but that was a big one that turned out to be game changing.

I'm lost and I did not watch the game, but your saying runners on 1 & 2 with 1 out and the SS fielded the ball and went to 2nd and recorded the out and that was a bad play? Is that because they could have turned a double and didn't or what? If what i'm reading is what I think it to be, your saying go to first and get the runner out there and allow the man to advance to 2nd base that was on first there by putting a runner in scoring position? either way a runner is on base, again by not watching the game, the tying run is on base however it's on 1st instead of 2nd if I'm reading your scenario correctly. ??

 

[patdog]

I'm lost and I did not watch the game, but your saying runners on 1 & 2 with 1 out and the SS fielded the ball and went to 2nd and recorded the out and that was a bad play? Is that because they could have turned a double and didn't or what? If what i'm reading is what I think it to be, your saying go to first and get the runner out there and allow the man to advance to 2nd base that was on first there by putting a runner in scoring position? either way a runner is on base, again by not watching the game, the tying run is on base however it's on 1st instead of 2nd if I'm reading your scenario correctly. ??

I think men on 1st and 2nd with 1 out. Rather than turn the easy 6-4-3 double play to end the game, the SS went to 3rd to get the lead runner leaving men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out.

 

[Pookieray]

I think men on 1st and 2nd with 1 out. Rather than turn the easy 6-4-3 double play to end the game, the SS went to 3rd to get the lead runner leaving men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out.

gotcha, ok that makes sense now. thank you pat!

 

[aTotal360]

 

[Dawgbite]

I don’t think I’d trade our dead injuns for their dead injuns. They need to sacrifice a virgin or something.

 

[thekimmer]

That, to me, is a bigger mistake than the ball in left field. Outfielders will tell you balls straight at you are the hardest. The guy just misplayed it. It could have happened at any time during the season. Unfortunate that it happened there.

Going to third instead of starting a double play was 100% a mental mistake impacted by the stage. That is the most challenging part: You were good enough and had the opportunity to end the game, but the moment got to you.

What you are striving for in that situation is an opportunity to get out 3 and end the game. A play to third does not give you that opportunity. A play to second does and even if you can't complete it you still are basically in the same position. Terrible decision by SS.

 

[basedawg]

This is true. Also, what in the world is Van Horn thinking pitching to Jones with first open and the winning run already on second? He means nothing standing on first. It sets up force plays all around. He is red hot at the plate. Just epic choke job three plays in a row. The moment just swallowed them up.

I was thinking the same thing, put him on base! Mistakes on field and on the Coach!

 

[anon1758050382]

What you are striving for in that situation is an opportunity to get out 3 and end the game. A play to third does not give you that opportunity. A play to second does and even if you can't complete it you still are basically in the same position. Terrible decision by SS.

The other huge factor is that they were up by two. So, before the ball was hit to the shortstop, the critical runners were the man on first and the man at the plate. Go to second to start a double play, and even if you don't complete it, the runner on third can't tie the game. He sacrificed the chance to end the game with a double play to get a lead runner who could not tie the game.

 

[Pookieray]

I pulled up the replay on ESPN+ and ffwd to the top of 9th.

Just WOW!

Three plays in a row that cost them at least extra innings. 2nd baseman was just mm away from fielding that hit.

 

[NukeDogg]

I pulled up the replay on ESPN+ and ffwd to the top of 9th.

Just WOW!

Three plays in a row that cost them at least extra innings. 2nd baseman was just mm away from fielding that hit.

And the error to start the inning when the 2B threw the ball wide of first.

Someone mentioned it the other day. DVH has the most nervous energy I've ever seen of a coach, and it bled into the rest of them in the 9th last night. Error by the 2B. Mental blunder by Aloy not to turn two. LF misplaying a ball hit 6 feet in front of him. And then deciding to pitch to Jones with first open. And despite all that, the 2B almost bailed them out by snaring that liner over his head.

I've got a couple of Hog fans, and I've refrained from saying anything at all to them yet. That one is going to sting for a while.

 

[MSUDOG24]

That, to me, is a bigger mistake than the ball in left field. Outfielders will tell you balls straight at you are the hardest. The guy just misplayed it. It could have happened at any time during the season. Unfortunate that it happened there.

Going to third instead of starting a double play was 100% a mental mistake impacted by the stage. That is the most challenging part: You were good enough and had the opportunity to end the game, but the moment got to you.

Agree, looked like it was sinking on him faster than he thought, slipped when trying to make up for it and it was all over. As others have said, that whole inning was a series of what if's, brain farts and bad luck. Had to look it up to see if I remembered correctly what happened and the sequence of that bizarre inning. Bit of a "I don't believe what I just saw" moment for me.
- I remember thinking, interesting to bring in a FR pitcher here but saw a FR PH was also sent up. All good, one out.
- Looked to me like the 2B had a play (maybe 2 outs?) but 1B cuts it off running away throwing to a moving target (this isn't going to end well). So off line the catcher had no chance to back it up. Runner at second ... uh oh.
- Walk ... back to back uh oh's
- Custom made DP for the win, nope. 3 in a row uh oh's.
- Misjudge and slip, make it 4.
- Pitching change, looked to be pitching around Jones, then a mound visit (hard to say what was said) and next pitch? hits it to CF just low enough 2B deflects it and CF has no chance for a play at the plate.

 

[Seinfeld]

I don’t think I’d trade our dead injuns for their dead injuns. They need to sacrifice a virgin or something.

This is the damned truth. Arkansas baseball juju is some of the worst I’ve ever seen, and I want absolutely nothing to do with it

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

I don’t think I’d trade our dead injuns for their dead injuns. They need to sacrifice a virgin or something.

It's arkansas, I don't think they have any old enough to drive to school.

 

[Dawgg]

Here’s the full 9th inning for those that didn’t watch. About 19:50 gets you to the ground ball in question.

 

[thekimmer]

And the error to start the inning when the 2B threw the ball wide of first.

Someone mentioned it the other day. DVH has the most nervous energy I've ever seen of a coach, and it bled into the rest of them in the 9th last night. Error by the 2B. Mental blunder by Aloy not to turn two. LF misplaying a ball hit 6 feet in front of him. And then deciding to pitch to Jones with first open. And despite all that, the 2B almost bailed them out by snaring that liner over his head.

I've got a couple of Hog fans, and I've refrained from saying anything at all to them yet. That one is going to sting for a while.

I think there is a lot of validity to this. I think teams tend to reflect tendencies of their coaches. Like under Lemonis we became a team that consistently played awful defense and tended to have a patent on complete melt-down innings.

 

[anon1758050382]

 

[TTKADawg]

I could be wrong, but the Ark-Kansas SS was not at the post game press conference after the loss. His name card with an empty chair was next to the Van H and the two players who did show up. Granted that has to be tough on the kid but …. Show up!

 

[TTKADawg]

I could be wrong, but the Ark-Kansas SS was not at the post game press conference after the loss. His name card with an empty chair was next to the Van H and the two players who did show up! I realize that’s tough on the kid, but …. Own it! Sorry for the damn double post lol.

 

[eckie1]

They just did a segment on the collapse on a local news station here in DFW. Brutal.

 

[anon1758050382]

They just did a segment on the collapse on a local news station here in DFW. Brutal.

I need fan reaction vids. I saw one that was too over the top to be real. I want something authentic.

 

[fang]

cursed……

 

[ronpolk]

I think men on 1st and 2nd with 1 out. Rather than turn the easy 6-4-3 double play to end the game, the SS went to 3rd to get the lead runner leaving men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out.

Such a bad play. I played 2nd most of my life (far as I reached was a year of lower level college ball) but I’m struggling to think of when the SS would be coached to go to third. I think in situations where the coach would want the play at 3rd would be times when the coach comes out and specifically tells the SS and 3rd baseman that if it’s hit to you get the out at 3rd. Again, I didn’t play short, so maybe I’m missing scenarios but I think the SS is almost in auto pilot to go for 2 in that situation.

So, that got me to wondering, did the coach tell them to get the lead runner. Hopefully not but the SS didn’t hesitate at all, and neither did 3B. He went straight to the bag to catch the ball for the out. It’s hard to imagine the coach coming out and telling them to do that but just how seamless the play happened and how little you’d practice that play makes me think that the coach told them to do that.

 

[onewoof]

They just did a segment on the collapse on a local news station here in DFW. Brutal.

It's like showing up for a root canal proctologist appointment

 

[onewoof]

 

[AttillaTheDog]

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