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antirowboat

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That is the chatter. If Frost did this, then my interest has been turned back on. I wouldn't expect us to run the option on every play, but if we got back to running the ball through the OL, TE's and RB's, then Frost will have shown he has learned and has been harshly humbled by the Big Ten.
 

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barney44

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They need to learn to put the ball in the endzone. Finish drives dammit, I don't care about the path you take to get there.
 
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That is the chatter. If Frost did this, then my interest has been turned back on. I wouldn't expect us to run the option on every play, but if we got back to running the ball through the OL, TE's and RB's, then Frost will have shown he has learned and has been harshly humbled by the Big Ten.
Hell freakin NO. What a joke.
 

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The rumor comes from this guy, but I find it hard to believe that a guy with the inside scoop doesn’t even know the Army OC’s name (Brent Davis, fwiw).

 

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Also. The best players on the offense are WR’s and TE’s. Hard to believe we now want to run the option with our weak OL an RB’s.
 

barney44

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Also. The best players on the offense are WR’s and TE’s. Hard to believe we now want to run the option with our weak OL an RB’s.
Kind of a clash of systems as well..

Frost is a spread option coach, doubt that's changing fellas..
 

TruHusker

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That is the chatter. If Frost did this, then my interest has been turned back on. I wouldn't expect us to run the option on every play, but if we got back to running the ball through the OL, TE's and RB's, then Frost will have shown he has learned and has been harshly humbled by the Big Ten.
Help me understand what it means "running the ball through the OL, TE's and RB's"? Is there another way?
 

antirowboat

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Help me understand what it means "running the ball through the OL, TE's and RB's"? Is there another way?
You aren't having to force the QB to think on every play and a dominant OL takes over the game like an NFL QB does in an NFL game.

2 to 3 TE's on some drives, with a fullback, RB', and a WR or 2 for deep play actions ,etc. You are relying on the LOS to win you games, not the QB like Frost does right now.
 
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Exactly.

Frost's offenses put up yards. They just couldn't put up points.
I agree to a point. Frost offense has usually struggled, from a % standpoint, to score in the red zone, even at Oregon and UCF. Where they excelled and almost always ranked in the top 10 was in red zone touchdowns and with the exception of 2016 at UCF, were always in the top 5 for Red Zone opportunities.

The difference is that Oregon and 2017 UCF had athletes that could score from 20 yards out. Outside of Toure, Martinez and probably Betts, Nebraska doesn't have athletes that will score outside the 15 yard line.
 
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I agree to a point. Frost offense has usually struggled, from a % standpoint, to score in the red zone, even at Oregon and UCF. Where they excelled and almost always ranked in the top 10 was in red zone touchdowns and with the exception of 2016 at UCF, were always in the top 5 for Red Zone opportunities.

The difference is that Oregon and 2017 UCF had athletes that could score from 20 yards out. Outside of Toure, Martinez and probably Betts, Nebraska doesn't have athletes that will score outside the 15 yard line.
In the Red Zone is where having a running threat pays off. Have to be able run well to be a good red zone offense.
 

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Hey I already started a thread on new coaches. Didn't learn your lesson posting info that's wrong, like Frost not being retained
 

redwine65

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That is the chatter. If Frost did this, then my interest has been turned back on. I wouldn't expect us to run the option on every play, but if we got back to running the ball through the OL, TE's and RB's, then Frost will have shown he has learned and has been harshly humbled by the Big Ten.
he will have learned from the doctor
 
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In the Red Zone is where having a running threat pays off. Have to be able run well to be a good red zone offense.
I would just reiterate that Frost's offenses have never really had a great percentage of red zone success, but his teams have always scored a lot of points, because the have a lot of redzone opportunities. I would say Royce Freeman and his 1300 yards in 2014 would be considered a good running threat and his 5.2 ypc says they were able to run the ball well. They ranked 44th in red zone percentage, but 1st in red zone chances and 2nd in red zone touchdowns. Pelini and Nebraska were better at both, but Pelini was fired and Oregon played for a national title.
 

redwine65

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scoring in the red zone is quite a simple task really
just simply foresight, application and execution

 

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I had a CMSgt when I was a Sgt. Coolest dude ever.
I worked with an AF CMSGt when I was stationed in Australia.. I was the Navy’s MAC rep. as an E-5. He was stationed at Hickman. And he would fly in about every six months to make sure I had what I needed. First thing off the plane, I would drive him to the package store where he would buy a fifth of Jack and then to his quarters where we would polish off the booze while discussing the operation. A CMSgt with a lowly E-5 sailor. One of the best I ever met. And an inspiration for me to make E-9.
 

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I worked with an AF CMSGt when I was stationed in Australia.. I was the Navy’s MAC rep. as an E-5. He was stationed at Hickman. And he would fly in about every six months to make sure I had what I needed. First thing off the plane, I would drive him to the package store where he would buy a fifth of Jack and then to his quarters where we would polish off the booze while discussing the operation. A CMSgt with a lowly E-5 sailor. One of the best I ever met. And an inspiration for me to make E-9.
This response won't be for everyone. The CMSgt and myself and a couple buddies would play spades and ping pong and enjoy whatever beverage of choice was.

He was retiring in a few months back to Virginia and he told us guys one night, "let's go down to Wichita Falls and see a skin flick. You guys know its not that "almost" ****, right?" So we drove from Oklahoma to north Texas and checked it out.

Got to be a weekly thing until he retired. I mean, what's an E4 and a couple of E3's gonna say when the E9 invites them to join him in an out of town trip?

I bet you've got a gazillion stories like most of us former military do. Anyhow, bravo to your career!! Many folks don't know the time and dedication it takes to achieve that rank. I enlisted when I was 17 and I got out in about 3 1/2 years as a cryptographer.

In basic, I begged my Sgt to let us watch the 1971 NU-OU football game. He said yes, but only after we volunteered for KP duty for 3 straight weekends.
I would love to see all high school kids (boys and girls) to have to spend at least 2 years in the service. Not to fight wars, but to grow up, and learn some discipline, learn to respect authority, and maybe even a little military bearing. Peace out SIR!!
 
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Would Frost have it in him to hire someone way way better than him for OC? Someone proven to win at a high level Power 5 as a HC?

Art Briles.
 

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Would Frost have it in him to hire someone way way better than him for OC? Someone proven to win at a high level Power 5 as a HC?

Art Briles.
Hell no. I thought you were all in on O'Brien?

I don't think Frost would be at all comfortable with someone who is actually a proven winner as a Head Coach in Power 5.

You bring in someone like Briles or O'Brien or Tom Herman who know what the hell is going on during play calling, and I think Frost wants no part of that.

It seems pretty easy to understand if NU were to bring in a guy like any of those 3 named above, SF will be threatened knowing that he may be working with his eventual replacement.

It would be different with a young guy like Kendall Briles cause SF would assume he is not ready to take over as a Head Coach of a Power 5 team. He wouldn't be as threatened.

SF came in as a know it all, do it all, and now the whole offensive situation has blown up in his face. It would really benefit SF's future to be exposed to someone who is seasoned and had some real success. He's not that kind of guy. No one will ever convince him that he's not brilliant.
 
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Hell no. I thought you were all in on O'Brien?

I don't think Frost would be at all comfortable with someone who is actually a proven winner as a Head Coach in Power 5.

You bring in someone like Briles or O'Brien or Tom Herman who know what the hell is going on during play calling, and I think Frost wants no part of that.

It seems pretty easy to understand if NU were to bring in a guy like any of those 3 named above, SF will be threatened knowing that he may be working with his eventual replacement.

It would be different with a young guy like Kendall Briles cause SF would assume he is not ready to take over as a Head Coach of a Power 5 team. He wouldn't be as threatened.

SF came in as a know it all, do it all, and now the whole offensive situation has blown up in his face. It would really benefit SF's future to be exposed to someone who is seasoned and had some real success. He's not that kind of guy. No one will ever convince him that he's not brilliant.
OBrien would never come to Nebraska for a 1 year OC job. I'd take him as a HC for sure.
 

itseasyas1-2-3

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OBrien would never come to Nebraska for a 1 year OC job. I'd take him as a HC for sure.
As a fan, I consider O'Brien a definite upgrade over SF. I would rather have Tom Herman as the OC/QB coach with a history in the BIg, just like O'Brien.

I think Herman, especially in the Big 10 West could make a lot of noise and within a couple years maybe win the Division. Of course, that is all contingent on hiring a high octane OL coach, and a high quality ST coach like Bush or Snyder. That represents 3 serious upgrades in my opinion.