Article on Ron Prince at K-State made me think...

topdawg.sixpack

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The similiarties between this guy and Croom are close. Bill Snyder took KSU to big heights and then started to come down and lose control of the program, like Jackie did with us. Then they hire this guy, who talks a good game, but cant get the job done.

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The Kansas State football program is in a state of disrepair just five years removed from winning the Big 12 Conference championship, and the man responsible for such a drastic downfall needs to be shown the door. Ron Prince, now in his third season as the successor to the legendary Bill Snyder, has taken a program that had risen from the depths of the college football world to become one of its most successful programs in the 1990s and early 2000s and smashed any resemblance of its once rock-solid foundation. To put it bluntly, Prince doesn't belong as a Division I head coach, and this season is exposing that very fact. Prince came from a program in Virginia that had experienced marginal success under Al Groh, whom Prince constantly credits as his mentor. Prince was an assistant coach at a weak BCS school for less than five years before he smooth-talked his way into the job as K-State's coach, and as K-State fans are now painfully finding out, Prince talks a good game, but he has shown little ability to coach one. Prince might have succeeded had he been humble enough to hire assistants that had the experience he lacked and the knowledge necessary to field a competitive Big 12 program. But Prince, being arrogant, hired friends and cohorts from college football afterthoughts like Cornell, South Dakota State and Hofstra, thinking his master plan was good enough to overcome his staff's shortcomings… The harshest comparison I could make would be one all fans in this area could remember. Ron Prince is K-State's version of Terry Allen, the completely inept Kansas football coach who preceded Mark Mangino. Kansas State football is in need of a change, because if Ron Prince is allowed to further his destruction of the Wildcat program, it might take nothing short of the second coming of Bill Snyder himself to lift the program back up again.
 

Hundpfundfels

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KState needs to chill out and realize that it takes years to develop character and atleast 7 years to install a working offense
 

Irondawg

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That made me feel about 1% better about our situation since I now know we're not the only ones and misery loves company.
 

topdawg.sixpack

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As similar as the situations are, the biggest difference is that you would never see that in print media here in Mississippi. Prince is black too, but do you hear that argument? Hell no. I think it goes back to the BDJ article about perception, K-State tasted success and knows what its like, while we at MSU let it go and are accepting mediocrity and icompetance.</p>
 

AROB44

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K-State and M-State are definitely interchangable when discussing college football. Bill Snyder was their Jackie Sherrill. And, both schools will spend years recovering from their successors.
 

stateskills

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Jackie's accomplishments at State don't come anywhere near the messiah-esque turn around Synder orchestrated in Manhattan. We're still waiting for our Bill Snyder.

Named the 32nd head coach football coach at Kansas State on Nov. 30, 1988, Snyder totaled 136 victories during his 17 years with the Wildcats, more than triple the man in second place on K-State's all-time coaching victories list. In fact, it took Kansas State 52 seasons (1937-1988) to total just 134 wins, while the 12 head coaches prior to Snyder's arrival combined to win 116 games from 1945-1988.

Synder left Kansas State ranked No. 7 among active coaches in winning percentage, having won over 65 percent of his games with the Wildcats, and No. 12 in total victories with 136.

Coach Snyder and his staff made K-State into a national football power. There is no question that Snyder engineered the single greatest turnaround in American Division I collegiate football history.

Along the way, Kansas State would become just the second team in the history of college football to win 11 games in six of seven seasons from 1997 and 2003.

In total, Snyder guided Kansas State to 11 winning seasons, four Big 12 North Division titles and three Big 12 Championship games as the Wildcats recorded the eighth-most wins in Division I-A from 1993-2004.

Members of his staff included: Bob Stoops, Mike Mangino, Mike Stoops, Jim Leavitt, Brett Bielema, Phil Bennett, and Brent Venables

K-State made a mistake not hiring Jim Leavitt or Brent Venables for the job. The both know the formula for winning at K-State and could have been succesful there. Prince is an idiot. He was such a pain in the *** he ran off half of his staff after his first season. Look at what Groh has done at UVA? And that guy is Prince's idol. Idiot.
 

dhm7t

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If it wasn't for the KState I would have thought he was talking about MState. Damn Croom sucks.