As if we needed more evidence that Trump is psycho.....

WhiteTailEER

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With Trump, we can't afford to have crazy from our President either.

My biggest concern with Trump honestly is his attitude. "McCain isn't a hero." "The politicians running things are a bunch of idiots". "I'm better at everything than everybody else"

One of our government's primary failures has been an inability or unwillingness to work together. Somebody coming in insulting everybody (including the military service of one) is not going to be conducive to a cooperative government.
 

mneilmont

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My biggest concern with Trump honestly is his attitude. "McCain isn't a hero." "The politicians running things are a bunch of idiots". "I'm better at everything than everybody else"

One of our government's primary failures has been an inability or unwillingness to work together. Somebody coming in insulting everybody (including the military service of one) is not going to be conducive to a cooperative government.
Vs Obama offering "elections have consequences"? He had veto proof Senate and House at the time. Recently, he has made false claims that congress is not acting. so he makes decisions/policy that Constitution does not provide and he has enough Dems to disallow override. You are not suggesting the current Admin has tried to get along are you?
 

WhiteTailEER

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Vs Obama offering "elections have consequences"? He had veto proof Senate and House at the time. Recently, he has made false claims that congress is not acting. so he makes decisions/policy that Constitution does not provide and he has enough Dems to disallow override. You are not suggesting the current Admin has tried to get along are you?

If there's anything you're good at, it's deflection and going from A to C and skipping over B completely.

I said "One of our government's primary failures has been an inability or unwillingness to work together."

Because of your unending bias you immediately jump to the conclusion that I'm saying Obama did all he could. I said our government has failed, and last I checked the POTUS is part of the government.

You really do just look for the slightest opening to argue about something. If nothing is there, make inferences so it seems like something is there.

If anything, since are talking about a POTUS candidate, it would have been more logical to conclude that I was implying that the current POTUS hasn't done a good job of getting along and pulling sides together.
 

mneilmont

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If there's anything you're good at, it's deflection and going from A to C and skipping over B completely.

I said "One of our government's primary failures has been an inability or unwillingness to work together."

Because of your unending bias you immediately jump to the conclusion that I'm saying Obama did all he could. I said our government has failed, and last I checked the POTUS is part of the government.

You really do just look for the slightest opening to argue about something. If nothing is there, make inferences so it seems like something is there.

If anything, since are talking about a POTUS candidate, it would have been more logical to conclude that I was implying that the current POTUS hasn't done a good job of getting along and pulling sides together.
The subject would have probably been dropped if you would have named Obama like you did Trump, don't you think? But, you only mention Trump, why? And the answer there has to be that you were exposing Trump.
 

WhiteTailEER

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The subject would have probably been dropped if you would have named Obama like you did Trump, don't you think? But, you only mention Trump, why? And the answer there has to be that you were exposing Trump.

The whole thread is about Trump. SMH o_O

Why would I mention Obama explicitly when he isn't going to be one of the candidates? I implicitly referenced him (as well as the 535 members of congress) when I said the whole government has failed.

You really do just look for anything to argue over. Holy cow.
 

mneilmont

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The whole thread is about Trump. SMH o_O

Why would I mention Obama explicitly when he isn't going to be one of the candidates? I implicitly referenced him (as well as the 535 members of congress) when I said the whole government has failed.

You really do just look for anything to argue over. Holy cow.
Cows cannot be Holy.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Cows cannot be Holy.
Tell that to the 1.2 billion people in India, not to mention those throughout the world. Oh yea, their god is full of **** and.....

 

mneilmont

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Tell that to the 1.2 billion people in India, not to mention those throughout the world. Oh yea, their god is full of **** and.....
Devil, there are some days you just can't piss a drop. My day.

Tell that to the 1.2 billion people in India, not to mention those throughout the world. Oh yea, their god is full of **** and.....

Tell that to the 1.2 billion people in India, not to mention those throughout the world. Oh yea, their god is full of **** and.....

 

WVUBRU

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I watched the class McCain made on Morning Joe this morning. Then it came to me that this sector of the public has become even more disgraceful and classless than I previous thought.
 

bamaEER

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I watched the class McCain made on Morning Joe this morning. Then it came to me that this sector of the public has become even more disgraceful and classless than I previous thought.
GOP may have some solid contenders but they'll only be lost in this mayhem
 

dave

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Its funny watching the loons on the left wring their hands about the loons from the right. Why is nobody talking about their candidate?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Its funny watching the loons on the left wring their hands about the loons from the right. Why is nobody talking about their candidate?
All I've heard from the left is that they aren't sold on Hillary.
 

dave

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All I've heard from the left is that they aren't sold on Hillary.
I think they are waiting to see who takes the campaign. In the meantime they totally miss why trump is popular at the moment. I dont think he wins but when one of the republicans picks up on the same message that is driving the popularity minus the baggage they will win the nomination
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I think they are waiting to see who takes the campaign. In the meantime they totally miss why trump is popular at the moment. I dont think he wins but when one of the republicans picks up on the same message that is driving the popularity minus the baggage they will win the nomination
You mean actually saying what he means and not using Clintonease?
 
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I am a little bummed the National Enquirer and The Globe hasn't weighed in on 2016. Its all been tabloid gold so far.

In the event that The Donald is still leading the polls this fall, I will begin preparations for a fallout shelter.
 

dave

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You mean actually saying what he means and not using Clintonease?
I think his frankness is part of it. I think his message is more about things that affect the majority of americans and not just select groups.
 

bamaEER

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Its funny watching the loons on the left wring their hands about the loons from the right. Why is nobody talking about their candidate?
Nobody on the right is talking about their candidate either. They just bash Hillary. And of course we're all amazed at the chaos known as the Donald
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Nobody on the right is talking about their candidate either. They just bash Hillary. And of course we're all amazed at the chaos known as the Donald
The right legitimately has reasoning to not be discussing a candidate. We have 10 legitimate contenders and 6 more loons in the race. You guys have Hillary and 3-4 loons.
 

bamaEER

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The right legitimately has reasoning to not be discussing a candidate. We have 10 legitimate contenders and 6 more loons in the race. You guys have Hillary and 3-4 loons.
The left has Hillary and the right has been bashing her all along. Meanwhile, the GOP has some great talent just waiting to be heard, but no, their champion is the trainwreck with the combover.
 

WhiteTailEER

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The right legitimately has reasoning to not be discussing a candidate. We have 10 legitimate contenders and 6 more loons in the race. You guys have Hillary and 3-4 loons.

And people question/doubt me when I say I have voted 3rd party for 20 years. Is it any wonder?

I think the last major party candidate I voted for was GHWB over Clinton.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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And people question/doubt me when I say I have voted 3rd party for 20 years. Is it any wonder?

I think the last major party candidate I voted for was GHWB over Clinton.
The only issue I have with that philosophy is it's essentially a wasted vote. I'm with you in preferring to vote for a 3rd party candidate but the problem I see is that my vote matters to who will ultimately get elected between the DNC and GOP. I essentially vote for who I feel best identifies with what I am looking for. I have not voted for a DNC in the presidential race since Clinton the 2nd time around.
 

mule_eer

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The only issue I have with that philosophy is it's essentially a wasted vote. I'm with you in preferring to vote for a 3rd party candidate but the problem I see is that my vote matters to who will ultimately get elected between the DNC and GOP. I essentially vote for who I feel best identifies with what I am looking for. I have not voted for a DNC in the presidential race since Clinton the 2nd time around.
As long as a lot of people consider that a wasted vote, it will be a wasted vote. In other words, drop the mentality that 3rd party votes are wasted, and some 3rd party candidates actually have a shot.
 

WhiteTailEER

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The only issue I have with that philosophy is it's essentially a wasted vote. I'm with you in preferring to vote for a 3rd party candidate but the problem I see is that my vote matters to who will ultimately get elected between the DNC and GOP. I essentially vote for who I feel best identifies with what I am looking for. I have not voted for a DNC in the presidential race since Clinton the 2nd time around.

I definitely understand the viewpoint that it's a wasted vote. I don't think I go into any election cycle with the mindset that I'm absolutely voting 3rd party, but I recognize it as an option and many don't for the reasons you mentioned.

"I essentially vote for who I feel best identifies with what I am looking for."

That's what I do also, but when I look at DNC and GOP candidates I essentially see the same thing. A lot of double talk and avoidance of the question in a nice suit, beholden to corporations, with absolutely no connection with the people. It's all a bunch of mudslinging without anybody really saying why they are better, only that they aren't quite as bad.

Out of these candidates, so far, I like Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul. Clinton is loathesome. Trump ... I don't think there's any way he's going to bring the sides of the aisles together and will most likely alienate everybody. Cruz is a loon. Bush ... just no, not another Bush.

I don't really care which way they lean, as long as it isn't too far. We need somebody more moderate to hopefully bring the sides back together again. I don't recall ever seeing such a divide and it isn't conducive to good governance. Somebody has to bridge the gap.

I like Sanders because he wants to get big business out of politics, and I like the idea of public colleges being tuition free. (K-12 already is, why not the first 4 years of college?) In theory, I like a lot of his ideas, but I haven't seen a lot of depth from him on exactly how this is supposed to be accomplished. Ultimately I also think the University idea will be met with the same scorn as the ACA and it will be more division. It's shameful that middle to low income families pay 10x the interest to try to get an education (which ultimately strengthens the entire country) than a bank does to borrow money.

I like Rand Paul because I think he's moderate enough to bridge the gap. Those are my thoughts now, but the elections are a long way off. I could easily change my mind and I often do.

I would rather "waste" my vote than cast it for somebody I feel is less worthy just because I think they have a chance to win.
 

WhiteTailEER

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As long as a lot of people consider that a wasted vote, it will be a wasted vote. In other words, drop the mentality that 3rd party votes are wasted, and some 3rd party candidates actually have a shot.

There were over 1M votes for a 3rd party candidate last election. 1M is not a lot, relatively speaking, but it was the first time any 3rd party candidate received over a million votes. There could be a ground swell of support for 3rd party candidates because of the continued failings of these 2 parties in recent years.
 

mule_eer

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There were over 1M votes for a 3rd party candidate last election. 1M is not a lot, relatively speaking, but it was the first time any 3rd party candidate received over a million votes. There could be a ground swell of support for 3rd party candidates because of the continued failings of these 2 parties in recent years.
You would think that would be the case, but I think this idea that it is a wasted vote is far too prevalent. Like I said, that's only true because people believe it.

Some group is trying to get the rules changed for the debates in the general election. They are pushing for the polling at an average 0f 15% or better to on ballots in enough states to be able to collect 270 electoral votes. Getting some third party people on the stage seems like a good idea. The reason being that having more than 2 voices - one D, one R - means that the third person can force a discussion of actual issues. The sitting president is going to be a large part of the focus of the general election in 2016 - just look to 2008 if you doubt it. The D's ran against W in 2008, and the R's will run against Obama in 2016.
 

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As long as a lot of people consider that a wasted vote, it will be a wasted vote. In other words, drop the mentality that 3rd party votes are wasted, and some 3rd party candidates actually have a shot.

A vote for a third party in a presidential election is a wasted vote.
 

mule_eer

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A vote for a third party in a presidential election is a wasted vote.
Again, only because of that mindset. You have to do some research - is the candidate registered in enough states to actually win? If you are tired of the he said, she said lack of substance that the 2 parties throw out, how is a 3rd party not a viable solution. The only other one is to wait for an R or a D who is willing to stay above the fray to get elected. I don't see taht happening when someone like Trump can energize the base like he has. If you think I'm picking on the R's, I don't see the D's as being much better, it's just that Jon Stewart hasn't announced his candidacy yet.
 

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You mean actually saying what he means and not using Clintonease?

That's part of it. And not kowtowing to every special interest group, specifically Hispanics, when it's not good for our country, but is only good for their political party.

Illegals and legal(501c3) immigrants are displacing more and more American workers and we have nothing but Trump,
Again, only because of that mindset. You have to do some research - is the candidate registered in enough states to actually win? If you are tired of the he said, she said lack of substance that the 2 parties throw out, how is a 3rd party not a viable solution. The only other one is to wait for an R or a D who is willing to stay above the fray to get elected. I don't see taht happening when someone like Trump can energize the base like he has. If you think I'm picking on the R's, I don't see the D's as being much better, it's just that Jon Stewart hasn't announced his candidacy yet.

It will always be a wasted vote until enough people are persuaded to vote third party. I've wasted my vote in the last two presidential elections.
 

mneilmont

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That's part of it. And not kowtowing to every special interest group, specifically Hispanics, when it's not good for our country, but is only good for their political party.

Illegals and legal(501c3) immigrants are displacing more and more American workers and we have nothing but Trump,


It will always be a wasted vote until enough people are persuaded to vote third party. I've wasted my vote in the last two presidential elections.
Interesting concepts being offered here. You are wasting your vote if you don't vote for the ultimate winner. Who is to determine what vote is wasted? Should you hold your nose and vote for one of the major parties? Friends, the vote was given to you, and you are the only one who can make that judgement.

The last vote I "wasted" was for Ross Parrot. The next day, a favorite individual was highly critical of me for "wasting" the only freedom I had. He had probably participated in procuring hundreds or thousands votes the day before. Was the only reason that I "wasted" my vote was I didn't sell it to him? In my opinion, you have prostituted yourself if you vote for someone other than your choice whether there is money involved or just pressure.

If you vote for a third party, you are kidding yourself if you think you are affecting the system. A third party will be eaten alive in DC by a congress mostly made up on the two parties. The system is not just screwed up on the surface. This is one onion that would have to be peeled pretty deeply.

Carter was the last vote that I will regret for a life-time.