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After reading the article on Kentucky reaching out to Oscar and the Mills kid, this will probably end competitive college sports. The blue bloods will recruit all the good players from mid level programs and they might as well turn the tourney into the top 8 because that will be what is left. College programs will have no loyalty at all from players. What an awful thing to happen for all of the college sports. The fans are the ones that will lose in this for sure.
 

Buster68_rivals

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In my humble opinion, turning the college game into the pro model will be the death of it. These new transfer rules are going to kill fan loyalty and interest along with competition. Everyone pays a price for a bad decision. If you chose the wrong school for whatever reason, you used to be able to transfer but you had to sit out a year. Not a totally unreasonable consequence for a scholarship (contractural agreement between a university and) athlete. But because of this woke culture that we have nurtured, the NCAA says they must be eligible immediately or its a violation of the student athletes rights. And let's be politically correct here and not say that he either quit the team or was dismissed from it, let's say...he stepped down. The NCAA and universities have sold out to the big money and become the farm system for the pros. We've always known that but its being rubbed in our faces these days. It"s becoming harder and harder each year to actually enjoy ball games and seasons because of all the drama that surrounds it. That being said, I personally am not a fan of any pro sports today because the way players move from team to team on a daily basis. It's hard for me to identify with them. In the past, college sports offered some continuity that encouraged hope from game to game and season to season anticipating the players maturing along with improving their skills which might give them a chance for success and possibly some type of championship. You couldn't wait for the season to start and when it was over, you counted the days until the next one started. We cheered for the team and players as we watched them develop and improve over their careers. In my opinion, that is for the most part...gone. Personally, I'm real close to being done with college sports altogether.

Now it is a game where the rich get richer and the rest have no chance. If you doubt that, the national championship game is between 4 teams and started back in 2014. During that time, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, LSU, Oregon, Florida State, Michigan State and Washington have appeared. That's 10 teams out of approximately 135 teams who play CFP football. 9 of these 10 are "elite" programs and are thrown in the mix even before the season starts. The only outlier was Michigan State. So in 8 years there has only been one non-elite team allowed to compete for the championship...calling this a championship is a farce.

As I said this is my opinion, you can damn well do what you want...but for me the end is near.
 
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In my humble opinion, turning the college game into the pro model will be the death of it. These new transfer rules are going to kill fan loyalty and interest along with competition. Everyone pays a price for a bad decision. If you chose the wrong school for whatever reason, you used to be able to transfer but you had to sit out a year. Not a totally unreasonable consequence for a scholarship (contractural agreement between a university and) athlete. But because of this woke culture that we have nurtured, the NCAA says they must be eligible immediately or its a violation of the student athletes rights. And let's be politically correct here and not say that he either quit the team or was dismissed from it, let's say...he stepped down. The NCAA and universities have sold out to the big money and become the farm system for the pros. We've always known that but its being rubbed in our faces these days. It"s becoming harder and harder each year to actually enjoy ball games and seasons because of all the drama that surrounds it. That being said, I personally am not a fan of any pro sports today because the way players move from team to team on a daily basis. It's hard for me to identify with them. In the past, college sports offered some continuity that encouraged hope from game to game and season to season anticipating the players maturing along with improving their skills which might give them a chance for success and possibly some type of championship. You couldn't wait for the season to start and when it was over, you counted the days until the next one started. We cheered for the team and players as we watched them develop and improve over their careers. In my opinion, that is for the most part...gone. Personally, I'm real close to being done with college sports altogether.

Now it is a game where the rich get richer and the rest have no chance. If you doubt that, the national championship game is between 4 teams and started back in 2014. During that time, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, LSU, Oregon, Florida State, Michigan State and Washington have appeared. That's 10 teams out of approximately 135 teams who play CFP football. 9 of these 10 are "elite" programs and are thrown in the mix even before the season starts. The only outlier was Michigan State. So in 8 years there has only been one non-elite team allowed to compete for the championship...calling this a championship is a farce.

As I said this is my opinion, you can damn well do what you want...but for me the end is near.

Totally agree. When the colleges become pros, my fishing pole will get more worn out.
 

Buckaineer

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Everyone has used these young men to enrich themselves. If there had been a system in place where these men keeping all the money and power for themselves, had instead shared money and power with these players who earned it all, then the future for all would look brighter.

Never fear though, the coaches and ADs and others making money will continue to do so in boatloads, even as they lose a little control over the players.
 

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IMHO it's all the fault of university president who on paper run the NCAA. But they are only focused on the bottom line and the $$$$$$$$$$$$. So let the incompetent chicken **** staff at NCAA run things. And those clowns crap their drawers when a university is caught red-handed at something and threatens the NCAA with a law suit or long drawn out court case.
 

muthed

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In my humble opinion, turning the college game into the pro model will be the death of it. These new transfer rules are going to kill fan loyalty and interest along with competition. Everyone pays a price for a bad decision. If you chose the wrong school for whatever reason, you used to be able to transfer but you had to sit out a year. Not a totally unreasonable consequence for a scholarship (contractural agreement between a university and) athlete. But because of this woke culture that we have nurtured, the NCAA says they must be eligible immediately or its a violation of the student athletes rights. And let's be politically correct here and not say that he either quit the team or was dismissed from it, let's say...he stepped down. The NCAA and universities have sold out to the big money and become the farm system for the pros. We've always known that but its being rubbed in our faces these days. It"s becoming harder and harder each year to actually enjoy ball games and seasons because of all the drama that surrounds it. That being said, I personally am not a fan of any pro sports today because the way players move from team to team on a daily basis. It's hard for me to identify with them. In the past, college sports offered some continuity that encouraged hope from game to game and season to season anticipating the players maturing along with improving their skills which might give them a chance for success and possibly some type of championship. You couldn't wait for the season to start and when it was over, you counted the days until the next one started. We cheered for the team and players as we watched them develop and improve over their careers. In my opinion, that is for the most part...gone. Personally, I'm real close to being done with college sports altogether.

Now it is a game where the rich get richer and the rest have no chance. If you doubt that, the national championship game is between 4 teams and started back in 2014. During that time, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, LSU, Oregon, Florida State, Michigan State and Washington have appeared. That's 10 teams out of approximately 135 teams who play CFP football. 9 of these 10 are "elite" programs and are thrown in the mix even before the season starts. The only outlier was Michigan State. So in 8 years there has only been one non-elite team allowed to compete for the championship...calling this a championship is a farce.

As I said this is my opinion, you can damn well do what you want...but for me the end is near.
Well stated Buster.
 

WVUALLEN

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Everyone has used these young men to enrich themselves. If there had been a system in place where these men keeping all the money and power for themselves, had instead shared money and power with these players who earned it all, then the future for all would look brighter.

Never fear though, the coaches and ADs and others making money will continue to do so in boatloads, even as they lose a little control over the players.

That system is called professional sports. Where they do have all the money and power. Don't worry though college sports will be finished off once players get paid. It will no longer be an amateur sport or a collegiate sport. It will be semi pro ball.
 

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After reading the article on Kentucky reaching out to Oscar and the Mills kid, this will probably end competitive college sports. The blue bloods will recruit all the good players from mid level programs and they might as well turn the tourney into the top 8 because that will be what is left. College programs will have no loyalty at all from players. What an awful thing to happen for all of the college sports. The fans are the ones that will lose in this for sure.

But then you've got young men and future leaders like Derek Culver.
 

op2

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On one hand, football and men's basketball players generate a lot of money that they don't end up getting but OTOH all the rest of the athletes lose money but their sport continue anyway. In fact, they get a lot of the money generated by football and men's basketball players.

There are two contradictory ethics in play. One is "Your compensation should be related to how much you bring in." The other is "College sports should be funded even if they lose money."

If it's wrong to not give the money generated by football and men's basketball players to football and men's basketball players then it's wrong to give money to non-revenue athletes that don't generate money.
 

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Can you imagine what he's thinking now, working with a staff like that compared to Erik Martin. James Flint will turn him into a beast.
 
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Can you imagine what he's thinking now, working with a staff like that compared to Erik Martin. James Flint will turn him into a beast.

Only if he works hard, and the word around the street is that is the part of his "game" that is lacking... Talent only takes you so far in this world, and esp in D1 level sports.. NBA players spend countless hours in the gym, and there is many aspects of his game that needs serious improvement, his performance was a disappointment this year.. It doesnt matter who the coach or staff members are if the dedication isnt firmly residing within the person taking the shot.. Kentucky hasnt been that great the past few years either, considering their expectations, I would imagine Cal is starting to feel a little pressure.. There is no excuse for a blueblood like Kentucky to not be a top 10-15 team..

Im curious if the NCAA will take a look at this, to explore any potentialities of unethical/illegal activity..... Probably not since Kentucky is one of the "Golden Childs"... #IWANTTHEKNIFE......PLEASE If you know, you know..
 

Buckaineer

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If players get money, have some control over their selves and futures, this does not change anything about the sport,
anymore than Bob Huggins, Neal Brown and Lyons making millions a year off the backs of the players changes the sport.

Its absurd to pretend it does.

Its nothing short of wrong to try and use the athletes entertaining and enriching so many others as property.

They are human beings, and should not be stifled unless the same is done for everyone else.

Let Huggins, Brown and Lyons and all the rest around the nation work for free, while the presidents and some committee orders what they can do in their daily lives, employment, clothing, time etc.

Better yet, do that yourself.

Pretty sure you'll demand change immediately.
 

WVUALLEN

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Can you imagine what he's thinking now, working with a staff like that compared to Erik Martin. James Flint will turn him into a beast.

5 Star goes to a college where better 5 star players are at. He will be transferring again soon. Maybe he goes to your favorite Marshall.
 

WVUALLEN

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If players get money, have some control over their selves and futures, this does not change anything about the sport,
anymore than Bob Huggins, Neal Brown and Lyons making millions a year off the backs of the players changes the sport.

Its absurd to pretend it does.

Its nothing short of wrong to try and use the athletes entertaining and enriching so many others as property.

They are human beings, and should not be stifled unless the same is done for everyone else.

Let Huggins, Brown and Lyons and all the rest around the nation work for free, while the presidents and some committee orders what they can do in their daily lives, employment, clothing, time etc.

Better yet, do that yourself.

Pretty sure you'll demand change immediately.

Why do you come here? Just to post complete and utter nonsense. Stay logged on as TVZ.
 

westsiderSJHS77

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If players get money, have some control over their selves and futures, this does not change anything about the sport
If the players get paid, then let them pay for their education, room, board and books.

2 or 300 athletes getting a free ride where several thousand go into dept up to their eyeballs at one school.

Play with a ball - free ride.
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Work to get a degree - student loan payments.

Get a shot at millions of dollars playing with a ball.
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Searching for a job while saddled with student loan payments.
 
Dec 13, 2011
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If players get money, have some control over their selves and futures, this does not change anything about the sport,
anymore than Bob Huggins, Neal Brown and Lyons making millions a year off the backs of the players changes the sport.

Its absurd to pretend it does.

Its nothing short of wrong to try and use the athletes entertaining and enriching so many others as property.

They are human beings, and should not be stifled unless the same is done for everyone else.

Let Huggins, Brown and Lyons and all the rest around the nation work for free, while the presidents and some committee orders what they can do in their daily lives, employment, clothing, time etc.

Better yet, do that yourself.

Pretty sure you'll demand change immediately.
A college education, free unlimited health care, free tutoring, lots of free clothing and school related gear that everyone else goes and purchases at the book store, free room and board , free summer school, almost unlimited travel to places most college students will never see! A chance at moving on to another level all to play a kids game!

all you have to do is practice, play games, and go to class! Yep I am in!

Meanwhile some other kid is working two jobs, taking out student loans, studies all the time, buys the one shirt for school pride, pays their own way to school, had to carry insurance if they are not covered on their family insurance, never gets to go anywhere but the local classroom and dorms and pays an athletic fee so that these players get all of these perks! They also have to pay for their own summer school if they need to go!

don’t tell me the players have it bad because that is bull crap!!! Do the coaches get paid too much, yes I agree! But in no way are these players deprived of anything!

so please SHUT UP!!!!
 

op2

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The fact that people compete like crazy to get athletic scholarships tells you that they think it's a good deal.
 

muthed

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5 Star goes to a college where better 5 star players are at. He will be transferring again soon. Maybe he goes to your favorite Marshall.
Marshall doesn't want him. Heck, Pitts didn't even show up to fly to the bowl game and is now in the portal. We don't need any more wvu mentality at Marshall.
 

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I have no doubt his choice was based on the belief he will be able to focus on basketball and forego classes. He also knows he is out of shape and was not competing. And he is clearly trying to blame his sophomore ineffectiveness on coaching. To sum it up, the kid thinks like a loser. Hope he proves me wrong
 

EERSFANTOO

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If players get money, have some control over their selves and futures, this does not change anything about the sport,
anymore than Bob Huggins, Neal Brown and Lyons making millions a year off the backs of the players changes the sport.

Its absurd to pretend it does.

Its nothing short of wrong to try and use the athletes entertaining and enriching so many others as property.

They are human beings, and should not be stifled unless the same is done for everyone else.

Let Huggins, Brown and Lyons and all the rest around the nation work for free, while the presidents and some committee orders what they can do in their daily lives, employment, clothing, time etc.

Better yet, do that yourself.

Pretty sure you'll demand change immediately.
Getting a college degree, having all your meals, housing, books taken care of, I don't think these kids are playing for free. Do they deserve a stipend? Perhaps, but it should be the same at a small school as it is at a blue blood school!