yea - I know its Alcorn but...
Does that mean he starts aGAINST Auburn? Discuss amongst yourselves.
Does that mean he starts aGAINST Auburn? Discuss amongst yourselves.
Assuming Prescott starts Saturday and we score 50+...
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Don't post much, but here is my $0.02 - there is a noticeable difference in the team when Prescott is on the field. I hope he does well this next week. If he does, I would give him a shot the next and go week by week thereafter.
I'm about to the point where Prescott needs to start regardless. Hard to believe our offense has actually gotten worse since last year. I know we lost all our receivers, but there's no excuse to get completely shut down by Oklahoma St. I like Russell and he has a very good arm. But he's just slow at everything he does. Todd Blackledge made a good comment in the LSU game. He said unless you have an NFL caliber pocket passer at QB, you'd better have a QB that can run. I don't think Russell is an NFL caliber QB.
Its not complicated. Most of our running plays are read option plays. It shouldn't be a surprise that Prescott does some of it better.
Everything we do is predictable right now. But the read option doesn't have to be if you use Prescott, he gets the timing down a little better, and he actually makes the read.
50 should be the floor against Alcorn. If we legitimately can't put 50 on the board then that is even more cause for concern. They should be able to pull half drunk sorority girls out of the student section to play QB and get to 50. If it looks like we could hit 70 with dak then I say at least let him start against auburn. This Saturday I would like to see dak start and play 2.5 or 3 quarters and if by then we have 40 on the board let the 3rd string QB get some reps. As long as Tyler holds the ball he takes a beating and is prone to injury. If he is out and dak gets hurt then we don't want his backup to see his first action against the likes of clowney. He'd be shaking so bad you could mix a margarita on his head.
Last 7 days we are 0-1. Last 367 days we are 8-6. Last time TR wasn't a starter we are 13-9. This is a fun game.*
For not writing off the season as it stands now, this is how we broke camp. If Dak shows that he outplays TR, then by all means replace him. Dak has not shown that yet. Dak took a break for about 8 months.
My eyes tell me that we no longer practice the read-option. Dak hasn't shown he can make the read. Maybe he just needs a good motivational speech...
Ronnie "Sunshine" Bass: I can't make that read, Coach.
Coach Boone: Yes you can. When I was fifteen years old I lost my mother and my father in the same month Ronnie, same month. 12 brothers and sisters I was the youngest one of them, now I wasn't ready either, but they needed me. Your team needs you tonight, you're the Coronel, you're going to command your troops! Twins right 48 zero read, *go!*
For not writing off the season as it stands now, this is how we broke camp. If Dak shows that he outplays TR, then by all means replace him. Dak has not shown that yet. Dak took a break for about 8 months.
My eyes tell me that we no longer practice the read-option. Dak hasn't shown he can make the read. Maybe he just needs a good motivational speech...
Ronnie "Sunshine" Bass: I can't make that read, Coach.
Coach Boone: Yes you can. When I was fifteen years old I lost my mother and my father in the same month Ronnie, same month. 12 brothers and sisters I was the youngest one of them, now I wasn't ready either, but they needed me. Your team needs you tonight, you're the Coronel, you're going to command your troops! Twins right 48 zero read, *go!*
At minimum we should use a two QB system the rest of the way and go with the hot hand. But in my opinion, turning it back over to Russell won't help us this year, or the next two.
Not only should Prescott start, so should JRobb.
Robinson needs to get the bulk of the carries at RB. I love LDP, I really do, but I can't stand another season of "Perkins up the middle for no gain" 10 times every game. Perk is fantastic around the corner, or as a dump off to beat a blitz. Robinson can move a pile, Perkins can not.
Also, I see a bright future for Tubby.
Robinson needs to get the bulk of the carries at RB. I love LDP, I really do, but I can't stand another season of "Perkins up the middle for no gain" 10 times every game. Perk is fantastic around the corner, or as a dump off to beat a blitz. Robinson can move a pile, Perkins can not.
Also, I see a bright future for Tubby.
I'm sure not only fans wanna see dak, but the players are too. We watched these TR performances (last 7 games) from stands and tv. The players watched them field level. TR has the look of a whipped dog out there the first sign of adversity. When something goes wrong, TR doesn't seem to able to recover. TR doesn't give our team the best chance to win. I hate it bc I really like TR, but he doesn't
The problem is not any of the players. Russell and Perkins don't control the garbage offense they are made to run. Both are extremely talented but our dubmass coaches keep trying to hammer that square peg into a round hole the size of a pinhead.
Russell needs quicker developing plays that allow him to get rid of it faster. That first drive he looked great dumping it off to Perkins for big chunks of yards. Then in true Mullen/Koenig fashion.....we stopped doing what worked.
Russell needs quicker developing plays that allow him to get rid of it faster. That first drive he looked great dumping it off to Perkins for big chunks of yards. Then in true Mullen/Koenig fashion.....we stopped doing what worked.
This could've been copied and pasted from the Croom era. Baffling that Mullen...
has returned us to idiocy.
has returned us to idiocy.
I think Dak gives our offense the best chance to be explosive
So yeah, Dak should start against Auburn if put up some good numbers against Alcorn. With Dak in the game, it gives our WR's a lot of 1 on 1 coverages, because they are worried about Dak running. I think Dan needs a QB like Dak to have a chance of beating good football teams.
So yeah, Dak should start against Auburn if put up some good numbers against Alcorn. With Dak in the game, it gives our WR's a lot of 1 on 1 coverages, because they are worried about Dak running. I think Dan needs a QB like Dak to have a chance of beating good football teams.
I agree with this 100%. We didn't run a single bubble screen to Tubby or slant to anyone. After the first couple of drives we seemed to only throw the ball on obvious passing downs, and sometimes not even then. Tubby, Rojo, Chappelle and Ross are all above average playmakers with the ball in their hands and we did nothing to get the ball out of Tyler's hands quickly and to them in space.
I'm not opposed to this, but let dak have more than short yardage plays. Let dak have drives on his own
I don't think it matters if RGIII starts at QB, it's hard to be successful running counter, counter, draw, punt.
We no longer practice the read option is a possibility. But we sure as heck never practice a QB sneak. You know...the play most folks run on 3rd and inches. Its unreal....all of this.
Dak needs to play the whole game against Alcorn. He needs to get his feet wet and get ready for the future. I have nothing against Tyler but our play calling does not help him out. We need to go up tempo and do quick bubble and flare passes. Then go deep off some double moves. Heck the walk on QB for Texas Tech looked better than any QB we have ever had and thats how they got him in the groove.
Dak needs to play the whole game against Alcorn. He needs to get his feet wet and get ready for the future. I have nothing against Tyler but our play calling does not help him out. We need to go up tempo and do quick bubble and flare passes. Then go deep off some double moves. Heck the walk on QB for Texas Tech looked better than any QB we have ever had and thats how they got him in the groove.
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Are teams worried about Dak running (outside of inside 2 yards of course)? Do the 1-on-1 coverages come from the threat of Dak's legs or lack of throwing ability? This isn't saying that Dak won't improve as the season continues. But what happens if Dak gets shutout @AU - an SEC opponent? The correct answer is "TR would have made us lose worse."
Here's why teams are afraid of Dak:
| Mississippi State Passing | ||||||
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| C/ATT | YDS | AVG | TD | INT | QBR | |
| T. Russell | 10/16 (63%) | 133 | 8.3 | 0 | 1 | 23.3 |
| D. Prescott | 7/17 (41%) | 89 | 5.2 | 0 | 1 | 6.5 |
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| CAR | YDS | AVG | TD | LG | |
| L. Perkins | 16 | 50 | 3.1 | 0 | 22 |
| J. Robinson | 8 | 48 | 6.0 | 0 | 15 |
| D. Prescott | 6 | 9 | 1.5 | 0 | 7 |
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PRESCOTT’s Career Highs
Carries – 7, at Kentucky (10-6-12)
Rushing Yards – 32, at Kentucky (10-6-12)
Rushing Touchdowns – 1, (4x) last vs. Arkansas (11-17-12)
Longest Rush – 15, vs. Texas A&M (11-3-12)
Pass Attempts – 6, (2x) last at Ole Miss (11-24-12)
Pass Completions – 4, (2x) last at Alabama (10-27-12)
Passing Yards – 40, at Alabama (10-27-12)
Longest Completion – 29, vs. South Alabama (9-22-12)
Passing Touchdowns - 1, (4x) last at Ole Miss (11-24-12)
I watched the game through a different lens than most of you, but it appeared to me that Russell is by far the best MSU QB. He even had a decent read option keeper for 10 yds. What about Dak's play gave ya'll the impression that he's the best option at QB? I just didn't see that at all
I wouldn't judge dak by Saturdays performance. Dak is a run first qb that was placed in a pass first situation. Dak's passes should almost be trick plays not expected. I think dak brings toughness to our offense that has become way too soft under Russell. Dak starting, Robinson running on early downs, and LP being used in athlete role could turn our offense around IMO
Made me laugh. I buy what you're selling about the Alcorn game. I don't like how the conversation has shifted away from the play calling, which is obvious, to who should be QBing the team. Both should be QBing the team.
Options are all about timing and reads. With as limited time Dak has seen he had the best drive of the game after the team had lost hope of a win. He will read better the more time he gets to see it. That's why you start, with see dick run when you start to read. The more practice you get the better you get at it. We all hope Tyler is ok and returns but Dak will do a great job and the team seems to play harder with him on the field.
Well Tyler had two dropped pass interceptions and only mounted one drive. Dak came in with a team that had a defeated attitude mounted the best drive of the game. Missed FG. Then had another drive at the end that had drops and a deflection for an interception. He needs work on his reads but that comes with seeing it and he hasnt had that playing time to do that to Tyler's level. But the attitudes and fire On The field is obviously better with Prescott in the game. He had more 4th down conversions his first drive than Tyler had 3rd down conversions the whole 3rd quarter. That's why
Your exactly right and injuries and behind with little hope of a team with a losing tradition. This has to change. They need winners. Players from winning programs like Josh and Dak. Players that haven't been soured by a losing tradition.
Think that defeated attitude had anything to do with their leader, Tyler Russell, getting concussed. The back-up Qb is always the best player on the team right? I saw nothing from Dak Prescott that impressed me at all. I hope he plays against us and not Russell, cause I didn't see any consistent threat in the passing game with him in there
Game was already over at that point. I think that's one thing people have an issue with. Once the game momentum shifts, we are pretty much guaranteed NEVER to get it back. You don't see many 14-21 point swings in our favor over the past 2 years. When we get down, we're out.
You can't stand another season of your 1,000+ yd rushing, pre-season all-SEC running back? So far most on this board wants to bench your 2 best offensive players to fix your offense. Sheesh, ever thought it might be an O-line problem? No creative play calling or skill position personnel changes are going to hide or fix it
If Russell is medically cleared to play Sat, I guarantee you Mullen will start him. He will want Tyler to get game reps asap to build his confidence back and get our gimmick offense going. I would agree with this because, for one, it's Alcorn St. and two, we play Auburn the next week and you don't want to have to start Tyler, there, fresh off injury list, if you can help it. But, I do agree that Dak should see a ton of playing time against Alcorn. If Russell can score, at least, 35 points in the first half against Alcorn (and we damn well better), I would give Dak the entire second half, except on the first possession back on the field.
If we don't score at least 4-5 tds in the first half against Alcorn, we may go 2-10 or 3-9 this year. I am dead serious!
If we don't score at least 4-5 tds in the first half against Alcorn, we may go 2-10 or 3-9 this year. I am dead serious!
I don't wanna bench LP. I wanna put him in a position for him to succeed. I want him receiving screens, option plays, draws, and lining up in the slot some. He's a playmaker not a battering ram