At least Coach Ray has taken care of business against crap teams at home.

Hanmudog

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I love the fact that we are handling teams with equal or lesser talent even on off shooting nights (which is every night) by actually playing defense.

I have been surprised at how poorly Borchert and Thomas have shot the three though. Weren't they suposed to be pretty good shooters? Jalen can't get back fast enough.
 

DerHntr

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Our shooting percentages have been horrendous but not as bad as the teams that we beat. I am going to try to believe that our D has been the cause rather than those teams sucking worse than us.

It would be unreal motivation for the team if they snuck up and beat a few quality teams they arent supposed to beat. The lack of depth is gonna make that damn near impossible when coupled with our shooting though.

Question: do you think our free throw percentage is this bad because of our guys being worn the 17 out?
 

Hanmudog

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I just think we have a lot of raw athletic talent that has never really been taught to shoot it properly. Fatigue certainly plays a role but good shooting comes from repitition doing it correctly and consistently.

There is always a tendency for young players to just fling it instead of squaring up, bending the knees, and following through on their shot.
 

maroonmania

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I have been surprised how poorly Thomas and Sword have shot the ball. Thomas I know was a shooter in HS and Sword was the AL HS POY and scored a ton of points including over 30 in the AL/MS All-Star game. For those familiar, did Sword shoot a lot from the outside in HS or did he mostly get his points going to the basket? So far his outside shooting has been atrocious.
 

JacksonDevilDog

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Fatigue is definitely killing our shooting numbers. Thomas needs to step it up for us to have a chance to win a couple of SEC games. He's a good shooter but has struggled.
 

MetEdDawg

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Really wish we could cut down on the turnovers.

That's probably the biggest thing killing this team besides the lack of depth. We won a game with 16 turnovers last night. Beat Alcorn State with 18 turnovers. Beat FAU with 14. In our 5 losses we have 16, 21, 22, 17, and 14 turnovers. So the lowest number of turnovers we've had in a game this year is 14. We've got to get that number lower if we want to win some in conference.

I really like the defensive effort so far this season. We've shot pretty poorly from the field and normally that would kill most teams. But even with that, we've held 4 teams below 60 points and we've held two of those teams to 42 points. We've beaten 3 out of those 4 teams. Keep the defensive effort up and we will be in games.

Other surprising thing is that we are ranked 95th in the country in rebounds. We've been getting a lot of effort from different guys every night crashing the boards. Even with our lack of big men down low we've been able to get ourselves in the Top 1/3 in the country in rebounding. Just shows the effort these guys are giving on both sides.
 

patdog

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Why would any of our players be worn out? Nobody's playing over 31 minutes per game. We have a very short rotation, but Ray is doing an excellent job of getting his players some rest during the games. We're just a very poor shooting team right now. Hopefully, Sword and Thomas will improve as they adjust to the college game.
 

esplanade91

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When Ray was hired he mentioned how we would drive the lane more, citing the transition offense using a lot of guards and what not.

Bloodman is good, but in the last two games has had 3 (free throws) and 0 points. Why isn't this kid taking any shots?

If you're on the floor, shoot.


If the struggles our team are facing have made me realize anything, it's that the 2009-2011 Bulldogs were the most underachieving teams of all time talent-wise.
 
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Coach34

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That's probably the biggest thing killing this team besides the lack of depth. We won a game with 16 turnovers last night. Beat Alcorn State with 18 turnovers. Beat FAU with 14. In our 5 losses we have 16, 21, 22, 17, and 14 turnovers. So the lowest number of turnovers we've had in a game this year is 14. We've got to get that number lower if we want to win some in conference.

Going to be hard to do playing the whole season with our back-up PG running the show. Imagine if we had played the entire season in 2009 with Twanny Beckham running point?
 

DAWG61

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It blows my mind that SEC caliber athletes can't shoot a basketball. It has to be one of the easiest mechanics in all of sports to shoot a 17ing free throw. How is it possible that every single division 3 school in America can shoot better than us? Can you really teach basketball if you can't teach how to shoot? Seriously.
 

Irondawg

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I have been surprised how poorly Thomas and Sword have shot the ball. Thomas I know was a shooter in HS and Sword was the AL HS POY and scored a ton of points including over 30 in the AL/MS All-Star game. For those familiar, did Sword shoot a lot from the outside in HS or did he mostly get his points going to the basket? So far his outside shooting has been atrocious.

From the little I've seen, Thomas seems to be rushing his shot. Needs to slow down just a touch to find a rhythm - he also tends to fade back on some shots and has a big recoil after his release that i think hurts him some. Just some minor tweaks and I think he could turn it around
 

DerHntr

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Why would any of our players be worn out? Nobody's playing over 31 minutes per game. We have a very short rotation, but Ray is doing an excellent job of getting his players some rest during the games. We're just a very poor shooting team right now. Hopefully, Sword and Thomas will improve as they adjust to the college game.

I think this brand of basketball, cough cough relentless effort Mullens, lends itself to some getting used to by today's players. This is especially true of players who were recruited and played for Stansbury. I am hoping our shooting percentages get better as a combination of practice, coaching, and the guys getting used to giving their all while on the court.
 

Irondawg

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When Ray was hired he mentioned how we would drive the lane more, citing the transition offense using a lot of guards and what not.

Bloodman is good, but in the last two games has had 3 (free throws) and 0 points. Why isn't this kid taking any shots?

If you're on the floor, shoot.


If the struggles our team are facing have made me realize anything, it's that the 2009-2011 Bulldogs were the most underachieving teams of all time talent-wise.

From what I've seen it's because he struggles to get past people off the dribble. And he's not a fantastic outside shooter from what I've seen so I think he's finding his role on the team with what he can do.
 

maroonmania

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From the little I've seen, Thomas seems to be rushing his shot. Needs to slow down just a touch to find a rhythm - he also tends to fade back on some shots and has a big recoil after his release that i think hurts him some. Just some minor tweaks and I think he could turn it around

Anyone with a thought on Sword from how he played in HS? I really expected him to be more of an offensive force given the scoring he did as a SR last year in AL.
 

DAWG61

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When Jalen gets back I hope he's asked to shoot 30+ times a game. The rest of them can fight for points on rebounds, fast breaks and steals.
 

Tds & Beer

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I think this brand of basketball, cough cough relentless effort Mullens, lends itself to some getting used to by today's players.

Giving 100% and playing hard defense takes some getting used to by someone who has been playing basketball for over ten years? That's terrible.
 

DerHntr

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Giving 100% and playing hard defense takes some getting used to by someone who has been playing basketball for over ten years? That's terrible.

Yeah I agree. Think back to our stand around offense and Sid walking the court last year. Not really all that surprising but it does suck.
 

olblue.sixpack

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Our shooting percentages have been horrendous but not as bad as the teams that we beat. I am going to try to believe that our D has been the cause rather than those teams sucking worse than us.

It would be unreal motivation for the team if they snuck up and beat a few quality teams they arent supposed to beat. The lack of depth is gonna make that damn near impossible when coupled with our shooting though.

Question: do you think our free throw percentage is this bad because of our guys being worn the 17 out?

Not to oversimplify things, but many times FT %'s are a product of who's getting to the line the most. For instance, I have a buddy who's a college coach and the subject of FT shooting came up over lunch. His team shot 78% from the line last year. Said people would come up to him and suggest he must really putting emphasis on that phase of the game. But he said "we don't practice FT shooting much". Said the 78% had everything to do with his best shooters getting the bulk of the opportunities. He had two guards that attacked the rim and a big who just happened to be a good shooter.

This year those guys are gone and they are sitting at 67%.

Looks like Johnson, Sword and Bloodman have gotten to the line the most and only Bloodman is over 60%.
 

skb124

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You really expect a D1 school to spend a lot of time teaching players how to shoot? You learn to shoot when you are young. When you are in college it is much more advanced than teaching a player how to shoot. Its on the players to get their reps in.
 

Hanmudog

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Not to oversimplify things, but many times FT %'s are a product of who's getting to the line the most. For instance, I have a buddy who's a college coach and the subject of FT shooting came up over lunch. His team shot 78% from the line last year. Said people would come up to him and suggest he must really putting emphasis on that phase of the game. But he said "we don't practice FT shooting much". Said the 78% had everything to do with his best shooters getting the bulk of the opportunities. He had two guards that attacked the rim and a big who just happened to be a good shooter.

This year those guys are gone and they are sitting at 67%.

Looks like Johnson, Sword and Bloodman have gotten to the line the most and only Bloodman is over 60%.



Great point. I would imagine that our team FT numbers looked pretty good when we had Daryl Wilson shooting the majority of the free throws moreso than because Richard Williams taught spectacular free throw technique.
 

DAWG61

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Absolutely they should have a shooting coach. When Craig Sword's form is shaped like this > there's a problem. Should a golfer have a hitting instructor? Should a baseball player have a hitting coach? Should a QB have a QB coach? Shooting is the most important skill in basketball. Why would it not deserve a coach? Just let the players figure it out by throwing up a 1,000 bricks and hope they magically figure out why they suck at shooting? Good lord no wonder we can't shoot as a team.
 

MSUDawg4Life

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During our game against North Carolina, I remember the commentators talking about Hubert Davis working with the players on their shooting. Trying to get them to be consistent. Of course, you all saw that they bombed us from three all night. Shot it very well. So, yes, college coaches do work on shooting.

I think many of the things we're seeing has to do with our guys being new to playing on this level. The only guys we have with any experience are Wendell and Jalen. The rest are learning as they go. I expect them to struggle and it's no surprise to me to see the turnovers and low shooting percentages - especially from true freshman players like Thomas and Sword.

I think many of you are expecting too much, too soon. These guys have only played eight college games. We have to let our bullpups grow up. If they keep playing hard and getting better, I think we'll have a pretty good squad in a year or two. But, to expect true freshmen to be shooting lights out right out of the gate is unrealistic to me.
 

DAWG61

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Can we hire this guy to come in once a month and give a lesson with the team?

[h=1]The Man Who Doesn't Miss Shots[/h][h=2][/h]By Ryan Wood, iHoops.com
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Dave Hopla isn't impressed with himself. But he sees kids increasingly becoming more and more distracted, and he knows that his incredible shooting ability could go unmatched for a long time.
"As much time as kids spend playing video games," Hopla said, "if they spent that time playing the actual game, they'd be on the video game."
He may sound a little irritated, but this is one 53-year old that young basketball players should pay attention to. It's a safe bet that nobody on the planet can shoot a basketball better than Dave Hopla. And he has proof.
From the age of 16, Hopla has written down the result of every single shot he's taken. Anymore, they're mostly makes.
Consider the personal records he's constantly striving to beat, records he says "keep me motivated."

  • He once made 1,234 free throws in a row without a miss.
  • He once made 211 high school 3-pointers in a row without a miss.
  • He once made 181 college 3-pointers in a row without a miss.
  • He once made 78 NBA 3-pointers in a row without a miss.
Overall, Hopla makes more than 98 percent of the shots he takes. In 2007, he made 11,093 of 11,183 shots he took--a 99.19 shooting percentage. He always does shooting demonstrations at various camps he works, and oftentimes he goes the whole day without a miss. At a 2007 camp in Los Angeles, for example, he made all 272 shots he took.
Though the numbers disagree, Hopla insists he is nothing special. He's devoted his career toward showing players of all levels that his remarkable gift isn't a gift at all--it's a skill that anyone can learn.
"If you want to be the greatest shooter in the world, there are two things you have to do," Hopla said. "Number one is shoot the ball correctly with correct shooting form.
"The second part is why nobody wants to be the greatest anymore: You have to shoot it more times than anybody else the correct way."
[h=3]Building the Skill[/h]Hopla says he wasn't that great of a shooter when he was a teenager--his elbow stuck out and he had side spin on his ball, among other harmful quirks.
When he was 16 years old, he went to a camp that had three coaches breaking down the mechanics of shooting.
That camp changed Hopla's life.
"George Lehman called it BEEF: Balance, Elbow, Eyes, Follow-Through," Hopla said. "I just tweaked it a little bit."
With that, Hopla flies through the word association he uses to make sure he and his students remember all the fundamentals of the perfect shooting form:

  • Toes to target: make sure your toes are pointing to the basket.
  • Feet shoulder-width apart.
  • Form the letter L with your shooting arm.
  • Wrinkle the wrist: the skin on your wrist should wrinkle up when you cock it.
  • Bend and extend your legs.
  • Make sure your elbow is above your eyebrow.
  • Hand to the hoop.
  • Freeze the follow-through.
Knowing the proper way to shoot is half the battle, and Hopla took that knowledge and went to work. With years of practice under his belt, he now makes more than 98 percent of his shots.
He has dedicated his career to passing the message on. Hopla's shooting prowess and willingness to teach it has captured the attention of the NBA. Hopla has personally worked out several NBA stars. He has worked with the Toronto Raptors over the years and was an assistant coach for the Washington Wizards a few years ago.
Here's what you need to remember: Hopla is an incredible shooter and has coached other incredible shooters. But what works for him and his students isn't a big secret.
[h=3]Putting the Work In[/h]After mastering the shooting form, Hopla says there's only one more thing to do. Practice, practice, practice. Obsessively.
That alone is what prevents many young players from being great shooters.
"They don't put enough time in," Hopla said. "Kids play how many AAU games in the summer? When do they go in a gym and make 500 shots in the summertime? They never do it. All they do is play games.
"You're not going to become a better shooter or a better player just by playing games. It's not going to happen. You wonder why guys can't make free throws. They don't practice them. They play AAU games. They play four games a day on the weekends and they travel from city to city."
Hopla tells the story of traveling to Europe this summer and meeting a German coach who works with Dallas Mavericks star Dirk Nowitzki.
"He told Dirk, 'You make it look so easy,'" Hopla said, "and Dirk said 'I should! I've been doing the same thing the same way since I was 10 years old. I've done it 10 million times!'
"He kind of ripped into him, but he was exactly right."
[h=3]Keep Track[/h]One thing that most players don't do is exactly what helped make Hopla great--he keeps accurate track of every shot he takes.
"I'm 53, I've been doing camps for 23 years now, and maybe 10 people have showed me books," Hopla said. "People don't do it. Go to a weight room, and what do you see? Even guys who are 80 years old write down what they did in a weight room. You need feedback."
When working with the Raptors and Wizards, Hopla kept a log for every single player. The positives that stemmed from it were numerous.
"The guys loved it. They want to know, 'What did so-and-so shoot?'" Hopla said. "When you have it with them and you can show them they're improving, they gain confidence. After they gain confidence they see they're getting better, they want to practice more."
It's even more effective when players are struggling with a certain shot.
"Players will say 'Oh, I didn't make X amount of shots here, I want to go back to that spot,'" Hopla said. "It tells a lot about a guy's competitive spirit, too. If someone misses 15 out of 20 shots from a spot, a lot of guys don't want to go back to that spot. The great ones say 'Hey coach, I'm not leaving this spot until Imake 15 out of 20.'"
That kind of dedication often is the difference between an OK shooter and a great shooter. Even if your shot feels comfortable, it might not be correct. The willingness to sacrifice short-term comfort for long-term benefits is why Ray Allen and Kobe Bryant asked for Hopla's help to begin with.
And it could make a big difference in your shot.
"A lot of people say 'Oh, it doesn't feel right.'" Hopla said. "It's like a new pair of shoes. You don't throw your shoes in the garbage. You keep working them."