Based on results, we probably need to find one really good at tricycle races
Athletic Director Skills/Qualities/Experiences
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It was the exact same thing in that Mullen was a successful OC at a major program that had years of proven success. Also, I wouldn't hold Torbush as some kind of shining standard of a defensive coordinator. Our defense that year was horrible!
I hate to be the one to point this out, but Croom never lost 10 games in a season.
I’ll honestly be a little surprised if Lebby matches Croom’s winning percentage. That hurts like hell to say.
Oh no. I hadn’t even considered this. Welp, guess I’ll hunt even more this fall.
You correct but it just felt really bad like there was no hope while he was here.
Yes, it was exactly the same thing except for having an experienced coordinator on board.
And do you even read the posts you're responding to? I pointed out that Torbush wasn't good. But he was also just a normal below average DC for us. That's the benefit of hiring somebody with a track record, in addition to any insight he could give Mullen on mistakes he made as a first time head coach. There is a floor you can be reasonably sure of.
If you hire a first time coordinator, or one that only has a year at a couple of spots at lower level football, you have a much higher risk of them being catastrophically bad and not even being able to get players lined up correctly.
Croom never lost ten games in a season, but he also mostly played 11 game regular seasons, didn't have to have a power 5/4 OOC game, and had the benefit of some dysfunctional SEC teams. Just wasn't the same SEC as Lebby has had to face.
That said, to his credit, Croom actually managed to have at least one decent win each year except for his second. Combination of Norwood and/or Ellis Johnson I guess. Beat a 7-5 Florida team the year of the Maine in his first year. His third year he beat a 6-7 Bama team. Fourth year was 2007. And his fifth year he beat a 7-6 Vanderbilt team.
Second year was the only exception, where he racked up three wins against Murray St (2-9), Tulane (2-9), and an Ole Miss team (3-8) led by first year HC Ed Orgeron.
I don't think what Lebby did this year was any worse than Croom's 2005.
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is more Mithipi Tate than an in-depth comparison of losing seasons. Brings a tear to my eye.
From an SPS perspective, we need an AD that will hire Molly. We are still in mourning after Bibby left.
I have to say… never in a million years did I think that we’d reach a point with MSU football that Croom would be our benchmark for taking a step forward
Yes. I’m sure I’ll feel differently by the time fall rolls around, but that’s kind of where I am right now too. No hope.
You like baseball. Im guessing
Wished more understood. Baseball is a sport that’s not going to be supported. Time to get with reality. It’s a glorified clubsport. This is the disconnect. Y’all want baseball to be number one and our future isn’t in a clubsport
How's our football program? How's our baseball program? Basketball and womens basketball are OK, but he didn't hire either coach. I do think he made an outstanding internal hire in soccer, but we'll see.
This right here!! We are AR heavy and cash poor. Do you really believe that BS nonsense about the bulldog club moving to a July to June fiscal year? That was done to try to create cash because this guy has blown through money.
Suckitude was always right around the corner for our football program......even when we're good. If we let up just one inch.....it don't take long to find the mud hole. So when we did a number of stupid things in a row - I figured it was coming sooner rather than later.
You ******* guessed wrong. I was a season ticket holder for football. Been one for 15 years and I am not renewing my tickets this year. By the way I like all our sports and right now our Athletics are going into the wrong direction. I don't believe Selmon knows how to fix it. He'll hire more buddies trying to fix it. Until he does different you don't know ****. However, I want to win especially in football. That's the sport I chose to spend my money on. If it's with our current coaches and AD I eat crow all day long but the HC inability to make defensive coaching changes after last season says a lot about him.
You don’t know Jack. And how do I know this. Lebby did make changes to the defensive staff. Brought in Dancy and two very good defensive minded coaches in Mac and Rhodes. And again Selmon and Lebby were not buddy buddy. The lack of truthful information on this board is makes it a cesspool of ********.
I don’t know if they are buddies or not. But based on their results, I’d say the defensive coaches were Lebby’s enemies and intentionally trying to embarrass him. Not sure they could’ve done a better job if that was their goal.
You are defending these guys pretty hard. You act like your feelings got hurt as if it was you. Just saying.
I mean, this is basically year one for Lebby after a massive **** show created by Leach recuiting, dying, and a few university president making a terrible decision and an AD who tried to kill football NIL. Then consider that NOBODY wants this job that's a top end proven coach. I think Lebby can get us to our 6-7 wins we'd get from a Mullen etc. but we'll see. We're getting a sound and lighting upgrade and an IPF soon. I'd say that's a lot of stuff for a couple years here.
Our past leaders 17'd our football program.
1) Torbush wasn’t a “normal below average DC”, he was terrible.Yes, it was exactly the same thing except for having an experienced coordinator on board.
And do you even read the posts you're responding to? I pointed out that Torbush wasn't good. But he was also just a normal below average DC for us. That's the benefit of hiring somebody with a track record, in addition to any insight he could give Mullen on mistakes he made as a first time head coach. There is a floor you can be reasonably sure of.
If you hire a first time coordinator, or one that only has a year at a couple of spots at lower level football, you have a much higher risk of them being catastrophically bad and not even being able to get players lined up correctly.
2) The original comment I responded to was about hiring an up and coming OC; NOT who his assistants were. Again, the same thing we did with Mullen.
PS - Yes, I did reply before reading your entire post….
However, my point about Torbush remains.You‘ve forgotten the narrative. Lebby didn’t make those defensive changes because he wanted to or because Selmon told him to. He made those changes because the “cigar boys” forced him to. **