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And that is the problem...WVU and the fan base are now always...under any coach...in a growth (or rebuilding) phase and increasingly giddy over a layup on a 5-15 team lol. Winning starts in the mind...expecting to achieve.
Yup. We should immediately fire our coaches in their first season after a 2nd loss occurs.
 

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RR came in...folks said rebuild. BS took over...folks said rebuild. DH arrived...guess what? Rebuild. NB arrives...rebuild yet again. Notice the pattern? Sounds more like the same excuse in different languages.
Exaggerate much. Oh and the rod frauds was 3-8 his first year and trolls like yourself were ready to fire him.
 

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Always find it fascinating and sad at the same time.

You have people, pretending to be WVU fans CHAMPIONING five win seasons under the present coach, but if that weren't bad enough LYING about the previous coach and where the program was.

WVU previous staff five previous seasons:

WVUunder Holgorsenfinal 5 seasons
YearWinsLosses
201884
201776
2016103
201585
201476

The above is described as "stagnant", or "bad, terrible", with comments like "glad he moved on, but should have happened sooner".

Then you have Neal Brown's record:

WVUunder Brown2 seasons
YearWinsLosses
20206 (after bowl victory over G-5)5
201957

and Brown's record is described as: a "rebuild", a "growth phase" that happened under supposedly "unreasonable expectations?" Needs more time, etc. etc?

What in the world has happened to this society? Lies are truth and truth is thrown out the window if it doesn't fit someone's agenda. Losing and mediocrity is great and defended, while winning and improving is cursed as terrible and a decline?!?
Seems the local dummy missing the point entirely.
 
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If you don't want to accept mediocrity then you should learn to spell "forfeit". Too funny.

Resorting to spelling critiques? The last gasp of a beaten man that can't explain why he doesn't "accept mediocrity" like "WVU fans" do despite not having a differentiating opinion on the course the program should take.
 

WV Bruno

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I think this is the year you can truly evaluate Neal Brown. Third year. Mostly his players. I think the opener will be tough.
 

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Funny that before Neal Brown landed in Morgantown the story was "anyone can immediately step in and do better", and now the story is "I think you can really start to evaluate Neal Brown three years in".

WVU for some reason extended him with years left anyway, so now?
 
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People love to throw around the term "mediocrity." What is it? 4-8? 6-6? 8-4? 10-2 but no national title? YOU tell me the "mediocrity" season in your mind then we can have a discussion. Don Nehlen averaged 7-4 for 21 seasons. Is that "mediocrity."

Which of these coaches exemplify mediocrity?

Best winning percentages at WVU:
1. Clarence “Doc” Spears 80.8%
2. Bill Stewart 70%.
3. Rich Rodriguez 69.8%
4. Jim Carlen 64.6%.
5. Bobby Bowden 61.8%.
6. Don Nehlen 61.4%
7. Art “Pappy” Lewis 60.2%.
8. Dana Holgorsen 59.8%


Put your neck on the line. Be specific, not general or obfuscating. Then we'll talk.
 

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People love to throw around the term "mediocrity." What is it? 4-8? 6-6? 8-4? 10-2 but no national title? YOU tell me the "mediocrity" season in your mind then we can have a discussion. Don Nehlen averaged 7-4 for 21 seasons. Is that "mediocrity."

Which of these coaches exemplify mediocrity?

Best winning percentages at WVU:
1. Clarence “Doc” Spears 80.8%
2. Bill Stewart 70%.
3. Rich Rodriguez 69.8%
4. Jim Carlen 64.6%.
5. Bobby Bowden 61.8%.
6. Don Nehlen 61.4%
7. Art “Pappy” Lewis 60.2%.
8. Dana Holgorsen 59.8%


Put your neck on the line. Be specific, not general or obfuscating. Then we'll talk.
At least get it right when you post your false analytics. Best coach by winning percentage was Harry Trout with .875. Current dude is .500...like going to McDonald's for a gourmet steak.
 
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People love to throw around the term "mediocrity." What is it? 4-8? 6-6? 8-4? 10-2 but no national title? YOU tell me the "mediocrity" season in your mind then we can have a discussion. Don Nehlen averaged 7-4 for 21 seasons. Is that "mediocrity."

Which of these coaches exemplify mediocrity?

Best winning percentages at WVU:
1. Clarence “Doc” Spears 80.8%
2. Bill Stewart 70%.
3. Rich Rodriguez 69.8%
4. Jim Carlen 64.6%.
5. Bobby Bowden 61.8%.
6. Don Nehlen 61.4%
7. Art “Pappy” Lewis 60.2%.
8. Dana Holgorsen 59.8%


Put your neck on the line. Be specific, not general or obfuscating. Then we'll talk.

clock is ticking…

You have been warned
 

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Here are how the WVU coaches stack up.

Second winningest ever against the toughest schedules ever was Dana Holgorsen.

21 Coaches​

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/west-virginia/coaches.html
  • W-L-T record at West Virginia



RkCoachFromToYrsGWLTPctGWLTPctNotes
OverallBowls
1Don Nehlen1980200021246149934.61413490.308
2Dana Holgorsen20112018810261410.5987250.286
3Rich Rodriguez2001200778660260.6985230.400
4Art Lewis19501959109858382.6021010.000
5Rat Rogers1925194598344318.5780000
6Bobby Bowden1970197566842260.6182110.500
7Clarence Spears192119244383063.80811001.000
8Gene Corum1960196566129302.4921010.000
9Bill Stewart2007201044028120.7004220.500
10Jim Carlen1966196944125133.64611001.000
11Mont McIntire1916192043924114.6670000
12Bill Kern1940194754824231.5100000
13Frank Cignetti1976197944417270.3860000
14Trusty Tallman1934193632915122.5520000
15Marshall Glenn1937193932914123.53411001.000
16Dudley DeGroot194819492231391.58711001.000
17Greasy Neale1931193333112163.4350000
18Neal Brown2019202022211110.50011001.000
19Sol Metzger191419152161051.6560000
20C.A. Lueder1909190919432.5560000
21Edwin Sweetland1913191319342.4440000
 

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Bells...Yes RR was brought in to take WVU in a new direction...euphemism for rebuild. Your post makes my point. WVU will never challenge until attitudes move away from accepting mediocrity. BTW...txs for a rational debate.
Attitude has little to do with it. It takes money (much more than in little West Virginia) and population (much more than in little West Virginia).
 

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The high majority of dollars come from outside the state. Throwing money at problems never solves them. Wvu has to believe...and act like they belong.
 

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Some of you need to wake up. WVU has been around over 100 years and how many double digit win seasons does it have? Seven or eight wins are good at WVU with all its disadvantages.
 

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Some of you need to wake up. WVU has been around over 100 years and how many double digit win seasons does it have? Seven or eight wins are good at WVU with all its disadvantages.
Oh spare us. This is the poor me attitude I keep referring to. Disadvantages. That's cover for a crap load of poor me excuses. Ever been to South Carolina and Clemson? How about Oklahoma and Norman? Then there's Alabama for God's sake. WVU fans accept being spit on. Time to raise expectations.
 
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Some of you need to wake up. WVU has been around over 100 years and how many double digit win seasons does it have? Seven or eight wins are good at WVU with all its disadvantages.

I think you are low balling WVU. 8 REGULAR seasons wins on average is doable for WVU. Means some bad seasons with 6 or less wins, but also some exceptional 10+ win seasons. But you are right that it's unreasonable to expect WVU to be in the Big XII title game every other year. WVU always has been mostly a better than average team that every 5 years or so fields a great team with championship potential. Suddenly expecting them to be more is unrealistic.
 

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So Bells since we are little old backward WV we should know our place in the world and accept hand me downs. That is the loser attitude that the state has embraced. Sad.
 
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So Bells since are little old backward WV we should know our place in the world and accept hand me downs. That is the loser attitude that the state has embraced. Sad.
So what attitude do you want?
And actually to answer the ******* question instead of deflecting when its something you don't want to answer.
 

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Nebraska of the past showed that a state like little ol WV can achieve greatness on the college football field. Hard to accomplish the same today though--Nebraska didn't do much once there was a BIG 12 and nothing now that they've lost their Texas recruiting.

WVU has also struggled since joining the BIG 12 too, although much worse the last two seasons than before that.

Almost impossible to win through a conference as strong as the BIG 12 to even get a chance to play in a playoff game without primo recruits--but then again ISU is getting pretty close so it is possible.
 

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Until NB finds a Big XII caliber QB, this team will continue to underachieve and to be honest, I'm still struggling to determine if the lack of talent at the position is on the field or on the sidelines (play calling/coaching). Heck, it's probably a combination of both. And let's be honest, play calling made the DH era fun and entertaining. We may not have won all the big games, but it was nice to know that we were competitive and going into the games, there was always a feeling that we might win. Under the current regime, the play calling is horrible and the the hopes of pulling off a major upset seem to be almost non existent.

Who knows, maybe in year three NB finds a way to rekindle the magic of the RR and DH years..... And let's all hope he does. After all, those eras were some of the most entertaining. Again, WVU may not have walked away with a W, but we always felt like we could. NB's first job is to bring that feeling of hope back. The fan base needs to believe that we can standup and go toe to toe with OU and not just hope we can eke out a win against KU

So let's see what happen. NB is returning a second year starter at QB, there's now a familiarity with his schemes and let's see what happens. I feel as if anything less than an eight win season (not including the bowl game) will be a huge disappointment. If NB turns in a dud of a season in year three, his seat is going to be a lot hotter in year four. And that's as it should be. After all coaching is a job (just like anyone else's job). And if you under perform at your tasks, then you should expect a pink slip...unless your last name is Huggins but that's a discussion for another day.
 

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I think you are low balling WVU. 8 REGULAR seasons wins on average is doable for WVU. Means some bad seasons with 6 or less wins, but also some exceptional 10+ win seasons. But you are right that it's unreasonable to expect WVU to be in the Big XII title game every other year. WVU always has been mostly a better than average team that every 5 years or so fields a great team with championship potential. Suddenly expecting them to be more is unrealistic.
Then why has it not been done over a period of time in the past? WVU can not win on the road in this conference which is why it will never happen.
 

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Oh spare us. This is the poor me attitude I keep referring to. Disadvantages. That's cover for a crap load of poor me excuses. Ever been to South Carolina and Clemson? How about Oklahoma and Norman? Then there's Alabama for God's sake. WVU fans accept being spit on. Time to raise expectations.
Facts are facts. Look at the numbers over the years. WVU is not a national power. It had a few good years here and there over the years. Mostly it's a 500 program or a little better. Last year's team. That was the typical WVU football team and that is what you are going to get this fall. Offense will be a little better but the defense is going to be weaker. I used to think like you 25 years ago but I got smarter.
 

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Then why has it not been done over a period of time in the past? WVU can not win on the road in this conference which is why it will never happen.
? It hasn't been done?

WVUunder Holgorsenfinal 5 seasons
YearWinsLosses
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So Bells since we are little old backward WV we should know our place in the world and accept hand me downs. That is the loser attitude that the state has embraced. Sad.

How about you keep your opinions to yourself unless you are willing to actually define what level of success WVU football would have to achieve to "not be accepting mediocrity." Because it seems to be that realistic limitations are not even entertained by you regarding WVU. By the standards you've set forth for WVU, since you are not the richest man in the world, you must have a loser mentality and accept mediocrity. Maybe I should raise my standards and not bother conversing with those that personally accept mediocrity.
 
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Then why has it not been done over a period of time in the past? WVU can not win on the road in this conference which is why it will never happen.

I'm saying that WVU can achieve that level of success. It won't be easy, but the point is it is an achievable goal. Unlike some, I'm not saying WVU is garbage for not being perennial BIG XII conference winners.
 

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How about you keep your opinions to yourself unless you are willing to actually define what level of success WVU football would have to achieve to "not be accepting mediocrity." Because it seems to be that realistic limitations are not even entertained by you regarding WVU. By the standards you've set forth for WVU, since you are not the richest man in the world, you must have a loser mentality and accept mediocrity. Maybe I should raise my standards and not bother conversing with those that personally accept mediocrity.
Lol...your C- average in middle school truly was your crowning achievement wasn't it?
 
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Lol...your C- average in middle school truly was your crowning achievement wasn't it?

Once again a failed attempt at a clever quip by a beaten man. I'm very happy with where my life is and what I've accomplished. I'm also satisfied with my ability to express an opinion and then justify my reasoning for that opinion. Yet despite your jabs against CFE, you sure as hell prove to be every bit the dullard he is. CFE is less of a pompous *** about it than you though and that is not to credit his humility. So since you have proven to be a moron when it comes to articulating coherent thoughts or forming clever banter while frequently accuse others of the same, it is apparent that you are projecting in this regard. Which extroplolates to the conclusion that you do it in other things. Thus it's all becoming clear that you need to try to live vicariously through the Mountaineers. You need them to succeed so you can ignore that you are ... well you. You need to call everyone around you losers accepting mediocrity because I truly believe you yourself do not accept mediocrity. You not only accept, but embrace WORSE than mediocrity. It's obvious with how proud you are by the absolute inane and intellectually bereft postings you make that you do not strive for even average. You would be doing well to get to average in your intelligence and ability to articulate a reasoned argument. Judging by your behavior on this board, you would likely need to improve just to be average in your interpersonal skills as well. I have little desire to continue to engage with an eternal pessimist that can only point out problems and throw barbs at others without offering any solutions. You have my pity as at the end of the day your life will still be the less than mediocre affair it always has been.
 

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Ok bells...tell us how long it takes you to put together such a rambling...disjointed... post? Impressive use of Webster's though. Now if you just knew the meaning of 90% of the words you use.
 

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How about you keep your opinions to yourself unless you are willing to actually define what level of success WVU football would have to achieve to "not be accepting mediocrity." Because it seems to be that realistic limitations are not even entertained by you regarding WVU. By the standards you've set forth for WVU, since you are not the richest man in the world, you must have a loser mentality and accept mediocrity. Maybe I should raise my standards and not bother conversing with those that personally accept mediocrity.
He can't....He is nothing more than another pathetic troll on this piece of **** free board that Vernon keeps open.

His opinion is totally worthless...just like his is along with half of this board.
 
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He can't....He is nothing more than another pathetic troll on this piece of **** free board that Vernon keeps open.

His opinion is totally worthless...just like his is along with half of this board.

Whatever, I'm done trying to engage with him as he has no desire nor capability, most likely, to keep up in even the slightest degree of debate. It's like talking to a child and there is just nothing rewarding about owning him over and over again when he throws insults at anyone who dares not hold his exact opinion.
 

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I'm saying that WVU can achieve that level of success. It won't be easy, but the point is it is an achievable goal. Unlike some, I'm not saying WVU is garbage for not being perennial BIG XII conference winners.
I have had a cousin on the team the past five years. When you get some insights others do not have it makes a big difference. What most of you do not understand is the resources are not there and never will be. Sorry. It is what it is.
 

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? It hasn't been done?

WVUunder Holgorsenfinal 5 seasons
YearWinsLosses
201884
201776
2016103
201585
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You think those are the numbers of a national power? Hahaha. WVU has has had better cycles than that. You are obviously very young.
 

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You think those are the numbers of a national power? Hahaha. WVU has has had better cycles than that. You are obviously very young.
You stated that its NEVER been that a coach at WVU brought 8 and 10 win seasons in the BIG 12, when someone else stated that that is what a successful WVU is going to look like, with the hopefully eventual playoff bid every so many seasons.

Well, in DHs final season WVU was 3-4 pts against playoff contender OU from making the BIG 12 CCG--which is imperative in trying to make the playoffs, in addition to the 10, 8, 7 win seasons you continually piss on while championing 5 win seasons.

You have some agenda against the former staff, and that is obviously more important to you than WVU ever winning again. ISU is getting closer to making a bid with very similar players and # wins as WVU had under Holgorsen. They just have a supportive fanbase rather than fickle trolls controlling the narrative.
 
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I have had a cousin on the team the past five years. When you get some insights others do not have it makes a big difference. What most of you do not understand is the resources are not there and never will be. Sorry. It is what it is.
And what resources actually catch a pass...make a tackle...or lay a block?
 

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And what resources actually catch a pass...make a tackle...or lay a block?
You are clueless. There is hardly any talent in this state. Kids out of state do not grow up dreaming of playing for WVU. I would also say over half the programs out there have better facilities. Look at this coaching staff. You think they are a top notch staff? They are average. The money is not there.
 

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You stated that its NEVER been that a coach at WVU brought 8 and 10 win seasons in the BIG 12, when someone else stated that that is what a successful WVU is going to look like, with the hopefully eventual playoff bid every so many seasons.
No. That is not exactly what I said. WVU has one ten win season since joining this conference. That year there were two good teams and they both beat WVU easily.