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<blockquote data-quote="spartansstink" data-source="post: 131696211" data-attributes="member: 1488840"><p>For one, what other coaches wanted the WVU job that were better candidates? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the Stewart hire, that was a debacle. Remember, Dana was hired as the "coach in waiting" and offensive coordinator. So, who was a better candidate than Holgerson that WVU didn't hire that wanted a job here? </p><p></p><p>I agree that being an assistant doesn't mean you can't be a great head coach. That is the bar you have set as you implied that WVU left other better qualified candidates out to hire Stewart, Dana, and later Brown. So, who were better candidates that wanted the job?</p><p></p><p>I'll give you Dabo. Matt Campbell is debatable. </p><p></p><p>If I recall, I believe that WVU was actually trying to get Brent Venables (sorry I wrote Chad Morris) and he turned us down to go to Clemson. See the January 13, 2012 SBNation article. If your premise that Dabo was a no-name coach and Dana was a much better coach, especially in 2012, then why did Venables turn down the offer? Before you say the money, which would likely be correct, remember this is BEFORE WVU had ever played a down in the B12. After several years in the B12, and WVU having the money, why didn't Venables, Mickey Andrews, etc. leave to become WVU's coordinator?</p><p></p><p>For the stats department, let's be consistent and compare the first two seasons for each coach. Each had a major step up to the B12 from their previous assignments. It appears you have set the bar at 27 points for the defense to give up as acceptable for a game. I would prefer a little lower but that's not important.</p><p></p><p>In his first two years, Brown has given up 27 or more points 7 times. Fortunately for Brown, only two of those 7 came in year 2. </p><p></p><p>In the first two years for Dana, he gave up 27 or more points <strong>17</strong> times. Nine of those came in year one, 8 in year two. All told, Dana gave up 27 or more points 47 times. Granted, some of those came in wins. </p><p></p><p>Willing to give each coach the benefit of a doubt of a first year of horrendous play, as there is quite a bit of jump from Big East/G5 league play to the B12, what each coach does in his second and subsequent years could predict a trend.</p><p>So clearly, as the evidence shows, Brown's defenses are world's better than Dana's were. The stats and eyeball test shows this. That isn't even debatable. </p><p></p><p>Dana was an incredible offensive mind who did a respectable job here no matter what some might say. But no equally talented or better defensive coordinator was or will work for him. Without a respectable defense, which occurred only twice in Dana's reign (2016 & 2017), WVU was never going to reach the upper echelon of the B12. Head coaching material is debatable also, as his record in Houston attests. </p><p></p><p>Will Brown reach those heights? Probably not. But if the defense continues the way they are trending they'll have a much better shot if they can find a modicum of offense in the years to come.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spartansstink, post: 131696211, member: 1488840"] For one, what other coaches wanted the WVU job that were better candidates? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the Stewart hire, that was a debacle. Remember, Dana was hired as the "coach in waiting" and offensive coordinator. So, who was a better candidate than Holgerson that WVU didn't hire that wanted a job here? I agree that being an assistant doesn't mean you can't be a great head coach. That is the bar you have set as you implied that WVU left other better qualified candidates out to hire Stewart, Dana, and later Brown. So, who were better candidates that wanted the job? I'll give you Dabo. Matt Campbell is debatable. If I recall, I believe that WVU was actually trying to get Brent Venables (sorry I wrote Chad Morris) and he turned us down to go to Clemson. See the January 13, 2012 SBNation article. If your premise that Dabo was a no-name coach and Dana was a much better coach, especially in 2012, then why did Venables turn down the offer? Before you say the money, which would likely be correct, remember this is BEFORE WVU had ever played a down in the B12. After several years in the B12, and WVU having the money, why didn't Venables, Mickey Andrews, etc. leave to become WVU's coordinator? For the stats department, let's be consistent and compare the first two seasons for each coach. Each had a major step up to the B12 from their previous assignments. It appears you have set the bar at 27 points for the defense to give up as acceptable for a game. I would prefer a little lower but that's not important. In his first two years, Brown has given up 27 or more points 7 times. Fortunately for Brown, only two of those 7 came in year 2. In the first two years for Dana, he gave up 27 or more points [B]17[/B] times. Nine of those came in year one, 8 in year two. All told, Dana gave up 27 or more points 47 times. Granted, some of those came in wins. Willing to give each coach the benefit of a doubt of a first year of horrendous play, as there is quite a bit of jump from Big East/G5 league play to the B12, what each coach does in his second and subsequent years could predict a trend. So clearly, as the evidence shows, Brown's defenses are world's better than Dana's were. The stats and eyeball test shows this. That isn't even debatable. Dana was an incredible offensive mind who did a respectable job here no matter what some might say. But no equally talented or better defensive coordinator was or will work for him. Without a respectable defense, which occurred only twice in Dana's reign (2016 & 2017), WVU was never going to reach the upper echelon of the B12. Head coaching material is debatable also, as his record in Houston attests. Will Brown reach those heights? Probably not. But if the defense continues the way they are trending they'll have a much better shot if they can find a modicum of offense in the years to come. [/QUOTE]
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