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mdlUK.1

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bluelifer said:
I'll save you some time on the analysis. It's worth it.
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How is it worth it? Again, I think it's great to learn a 2nd language but only if it benefits you somehow. How would Spanish help you if you got a job in Japan?

I'm a "use it or lose it" kinda guy. So, I will never be fluent in any language other than English. And it wouldn't be worth it, for me, to spend $$$ to learn a language I'll probably never need.
 
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allabouttheUK said:
Actually it's been more than 4 decades, you can go all the way back to the end of WWII. Americans abroad are more than willing to respect host nations culture and language, and assimilate accordingly.
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You're missing my point. Find me one nation that's had an influx of American immigrants that could even come close to the one the U.S. has experienced with Mexican immigrants. That's why it would be beneficial for most of us to speak the language.
 
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mdlUK.1 said:
How is it worth it? Again, I think it's great to learn a 2nd language but only if it benefits you somehow. How would Spanish help you if you got a job in Japan?

I'm a "use it or lose it" kinda guy. So, I will never be fluent in any language other than English. And it wouldn't be worth it, for me, to spend $$$ to learn a language I'll probably never need.
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I'm not talking about the international businessman here, I'm talking about the average U.S. citizen that lives in a country that has experienced a Hispanic population boom in the last 40-50 yrs.

I'm not trying to say anyone should be forced to learn the damn language, I'm just saying you're probably an idiot if you don't think it would ever benefit you to learn it.
 
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bluelifer said:
Because there is a significant population in my town that speaks the language. Anyone in my town that owns a business (of any kind), works in healthcare, law enforcement, education, government, etc. would benefit by knowing how to speak Spanish.
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I guess in the fields you mention, it could help. It would also help even more, for people to learn the common language of our country.

You say you live in small town KY? I live in the suburbs of Louisville and have never needed to know a 2nd language. Except for the year I spent in Thailand, where I at least attempted to learn a few words of their language.
 
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bluelifer said:
You're missing my point. Find me one nation that's had an influx of American immigrants that could even come close to the one the U.S. has experienced with Mexican immigrants. That's why it would be beneficial for most of us to speak the language.
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No, it's beneficial for them to learn our language if they hope to live here!
 
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mdlUK.1 said:
I guess in the fields you mention, it could help. It would also help even more, for people to learn the common language of our country.

You say you live in small town KY? I live in the suburbs of Louisville and have never needed to know a 2nd language. Except for the year I spent in Thailand, where I at least attempted to learn a few words of their language.
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I don't need to know Spanish either, but I could definitely benefit from it. That's my point, not that anyone should be forced to learn it.
 
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bluelifer said:
You're missing my point. Find me one nation that's had an influx of American immigrants that could even come close to the one the U.S. has experienced with Mexican illegal immigrants. That's why it would be beneficial for most of us to speak the language.
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It would be beneficial if those illegal immigrants attempted to learn the language of their illegal host country. As for finding you one country, I'll give you 2...Germany, and Italy
 
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That is the only thing you have said that is, in any shape or form, correct. The problem is, you didn't know that until you googled it in the past hour. While you've been full of faulty opinions and hyperbole, you have provided no facts. You equated breaking laws to not speaking English. Fail. You try to rebut my claim that the US has no official language (go back and look). Fail. You bring up frivolous declaration of an 'official language' in some states that has, for the most part, zero legal bearing. Fail.

You've been owned so bad, it's hilarious. Just ignore me or whatever so I don't have to keep making you look like a fool.
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I have not once tried to rebut your claims of the US having an official language. And you won't be able to quote where I have either because your statement is nothing but slanderous filth. Your sad attempts to deny facts is hilarious. You get called out for being wrong then all you do is post garbage like this. Welcome to the ignore list where a lot of other people who refuse to read find themselves.
 
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wildcatsboston1984 said:
I have not once tried to rebut your claims of the US having an official language. And you won't be able to quote where I have either because your statement is nothing but slanderous filth. Your sad attempts to deny facts is hilarious. You get called out for being wrong then all you do is post garbage like this. Welcome to the ignore list where a lot of other losers on this board find themselves.
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You won't put me on ignore, guarantee it. Show me where I was wrong once.
 
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funKYcat75 said:
You won't put me on ignore, guarantee it. Show me where I was wrong once.
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Just did.

[roll]

 
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bluelifer said:
I never said a word about legal or illegal. Has nothing to do with my point.
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Actually it has a direct correlation to your point. If immigration laws had been and were enforced this topic wouldn't be an issue. There wouldn't need to be debate about why Americans need to learn Spanish.
 
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HeismanWildcat85 said:
I have had conversations with progressives who try to claim there is no "official language" in the U.S.,which is total BS! English is our language.
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If you read out the word "official," then sure. Could say English is the primary language used for legislation, regulations, courts, and any official pronouncements, but that doesn't make it the official language. Doesn't bear on whether immigrants should have to learn English, or whether governments, business, and individuals should accommodate those that do not.

FWIW, my anecdotal experience is that 2nd/3rd generation immigrants know English just fine, as they generally have throughout American history. Big issue I see is that there is a substantial first generation interacting with the public, and immigrants (as opposed to their children that grow up here) are less likely to speak/read/write English. But that's just anecdotal.
 
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Everybody that thinks states having and "official" something has any real meaning let me know your state and I'll be glad to post a listing of things that you're only allowed to have one of. Remember, if you like or support any other than the one on the list then you are a bad American. Give me your states.
 
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Glenn's take said:
Everybody that thinks states having and "official" something has any real meaning let me know your state and I'll be glad to post a listing of things that your only allowed to have one of. Remember, if you like or support any other than the one on the list then you are a bad American. Give me your states.
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Virginia just because I'm interested to see what you find haha
 
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JasonSpear said:
[laughing]

the proper etiquette when putting someone on ignore is to actually ignore them. Do not push "show ignored content", do not attempt to investigate if that person still exists/posts/has lived or died. They are dead to you... forever. Take it from a poster that enjoys telling every single person he's puts on ignore that they're on ignore.

It's a power play. Another power play is following up that ignore, usually done so during an argument that you know you've clearly won/are right, with questioning other posters about if the person that was put on ignore is still talking to you and, if so, mocking them for being a dumbass for talking to you after you JUST told them they were on ignore.

That's 2 wins.

Learn ignore feature and using ignore feature to piss people off/show your dominance and far superior intellect.
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I actually put him on ignore after he made that post. I just decided to do the screenshot to humor myself. I made one other person laugh, or at least laugh to the point they used the laughing emoji, so I more than achieved the goal.
 
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wildcatsboston1984 said:
I actually put him on ignore after he made that post. I just decided to do the screenshot to humor myself. I made one other person laugh, or at least laugh to the point they used the laughing emoji, so I more than achieved the goal.
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Laughing. Much like your logic has made me do all afternoon. You've been owned so bad by me that I have to claim you on my taxes, dude.
 
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Anyone who goes to a country should adapt to the place they are coming instead of the other way around.
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Yeah I agree. I myself learned English on my own watching TV and then interacting with kids best I could. You couldn't tell I wasn't born here; I have no sympathy for those unwilling but it's a problem I think that works itself out in the end.
 
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my wife has to learn to speak Spanish well enough as an elementary school teacher to keep her job. Has to get an ESL certification. School system will not pay for it, she has to take classes at night to do so. This is so much ******** my intercostals hurt from laughing so hard. When the **** did this start, United States of America?

You come to America, learn to speak 'Merican. God.

I ain't goin to no Italia and makin them guidas learn English just to take my spaghetti order.
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If you read out the word "official," then sure. Could say English is the primary language used for legislation, regulations, courts, and any official pronouncements, but that doesn't make it the official language. Doesn't bear on whether immigrants should have to learn English, or whether governments, business, and individuals should accommodate those that do not.

FWIW, my anecdotal experience is that 2nd/3rd generation immigrants know English just fine, as they generally have throughout American history. Big issue I see is that there is a substantial first generation interacting with the public, and immigrants (as opposed to their children that grow up here) are less likely to speak/read/write English. But that's just anecdotal.
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Exactly what I see every day. Speak enough Spanish to accommodate these folks and you've likely earned their (and everyone they know) business for the foreseeable future.
 
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Lol, you realize research has been done that these low end jobs prefer the high schoolers if possible, but they just don't work at the rate of these "awful" immigrant workers. Still even if SOME send money back, The US is still coming out in the positive.

And incarceration doesn't work. Now should incarceration be used in some cases? Yes. But for non violent drug charges and simply being an illegal immigrant? Absolutely not.
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$20b is remitted each year to Mexico alone. That is money taken completely out of our economy

When amnesty is finally declared someday (and we know it will, especially if Clinton is elected and Dems regain power in Congress and on the SC) most of those workers sending in SS under false identities (money lost to them now) will be able to draw their SS, thus making SS no longer in the positive.

Note: Only first generation immigrants are really "hard workers." By second generation they are generally just as lazy as the rest of us.
 
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allabouttheUK said:
that's a pretty bold and hateful assumption you just made. Mine is backed with statistics, how about yours?
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I wonder if only Mexicans speak spanish...wonder if they speak it in Spain or
Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia,Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic,Ecuador, Equatorial Guinea, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Player, Puerto Rico, Uruguay, and Venezuela

I think your missing the point completely. The point wasn't you hate beaners, the point is your defiantly at an advantage if you can speak another language.
 
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UKBrassowTipIN said:
I wonder if only Mexicans speak spanish...wonder if they speak it in Spain or
Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia,Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic,Ecuador, Equatorial Guinea, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Player, Puerto Rico, Uruguay, and Venezuela

I think your missing the point completely. The point wasn't you hate beaners, the point is your defiantly at an advantage if you can speak another language.
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Yeah and IF you go to one of those countries, you SHOULD make an effort to learn THEIR language. You think we should expect the same courtesy.
 
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