Attrition by Position

[dand84]

Just taking a look at the players we had by position that should have been playing last year or this year and didn't. Stars per Rivals. [DNE - Did not Enroll, NWT - Not with Team, PRO - Went pro, T - Transfered]

• DB: (Blades DNE, Jackson T, Dixon T, C. Jones T , C.J. Smith T). 4/5 Frost guys. 3 4-stars
• DL: (Watts DNE)
• LB: (Simmons T, Ward T, Hampton T, Roberts T, Thomas T). No Frost guys. 2 4-stars
• OL (Hannon T, Brokop T, Barnett retired, Canty DNE, Johnson T, Gates pro). 1 Frost guy, 2 4-stars
• QB (O'Brien T, Gebbia T). No Frost guys. 2 4-stars
• RB (Miles T, Washington NWT, Bell T). 2 Frost guys
• WR/TE (Legrone NWT, Johnson DNE, Alston T, Williams T, Watt DNE, Lindsey T, Hunt NWT, McGriff T, M. Jones T). 5 Frost guys. 4 4-stars.

So, 13 4-star players that were recruited, signed, but for whatever reason, didn't contribute. So 31 players in total (12 Frost guys). I apologize in advance if I am missing anyone. Some had personal issues and needed to transfer. Some were hit with injury and retired. Some had off-the-field and/or academic issues.

That is tremendous amount of talent no longer on the team.

 

[uberism1111]

Just taking a look at the players we had by position that should have been playing last year or this year and didn't. Stars per Rivals. [DNE - Did not Enroll, NWT - Not with Team, PRO - Went pro, T - Transfered]

• DB: (Blades DNE, Jackson T, Dixon T, C. Jones T , C.J. Smith T). 4/5 Frost guys. 3 4-stars
• DL: (Watts DNE)
• LB: (Simmons T, Ward T, Hampton T, Roberts T, Thomas T). No Frost guys. 2 4-stars
• OL (Hannon T, Brokop T, Barnett retired, Canty DNE, Johnson T, Gates pro). 1 Frost guy, 2 4-stars
• QB (O'Brien T, Gebbia T). No Frost guys. 2 4-stars
• RB (Miles T, Washington NWT, Bell T). 2 Frost guys
• WR/TE (Legrone NWT, Johnson DNE, Alston T, Williams T, Watt DNE, Lindsey T, Hunt NWT, McGriff T, M. Jones T). 5 Frost guys. 4 4-stars.

So, 13 4-star players that were recruited, signed, but for whatever reason, didn't contribute. So 31 players in total (12 Frost guys). I apologize in advance if I am missing anyone. Some had personal issues and needed to transfer. Some were hit with injury and retired. Some had off-the-field and/or academic issues.

That is tremendous amount of talent no longer on the team.

Attrition from those that don't fit the schemes is not a bad thing in the long picture and rebuild process. I would argue half of the guys on D that are starters are not the right fits for a 3-4. But you can't have a roster of 70+ attrition one year and bring in 70+ in one year. There are limitations by the NCAA.

Barry Alvarez had over 50 guys leave when he was doing the rebuild. UCLA has had over 55 guys leave already during their rebuild. I expect us to hit in the high 30's for attrition as Frost brings in his second full class and non-contributors hit the road that have been here for years.

 

[Headcard]

I think we need to better utilize the transfer portal to attempt to fill some of these gaps. Illinois greatly upgraded their talent level by doing this.

 

[dinglefritz]

I think we need to better utilize the transfer portal to attempt to fill some of these gaps. Illinois greatly upgraded their talent level by doing this.

The problem I see with the transfer portal in most cases is that the guy is most often leaving because of playing time. Does that necessarily mean they'll be better than what we have now? The same idea holds true for JUCOs. There's normally only a few of all of them who can help you and they are in very high demand.

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

The problem I see with the transfer portal in most cases is that the guy is most often leaving because of playing time. Does that necessarily mean they'll be better than what we have now? The same idea holds true for JUCOs. There's normally only a few of all of them who can help you and they are in very high demand.

We just lost to Purdue with a 3rd string walk on QB and no Rondale Moore. I think most power 5 transfers could start for us right now.

 

[dinglefritz]

We just lost to Purdue with a 3rd string walk on QB and no Rondale Moore. I think most power 5 transfers could start for us right now.

Most? No way. There would possibly be an OLB, guard maybe, WR maybe and with our injuries a safety out there who could help us. Most of those guys would probably come with baggage be it positive drug tests or a me first attitude. The majority of guys who hit the transfer portal in football are not B1G caliber players. Some are but not many. You have to be selective. It's not like Noa is a difference maker. Derrion was a nice addition. A pass rushing OLB would be great to find and maybe a kid stuck behind a future NFL freshman RB or WR would be great.

 

[TheBeav815]

With the clarity of 20/20 hindsight, showing so many guys which way the door was if they didn't like it may have been an overreach. We'll never know who left because they wanted to and who left because they were encouraged to. But surely there were some guys who got chased rather than running.

I don't know if anyone anticipated the degree to which guys who were just kinda good would be an upgrade at a lot of sports further down the road.

Nor have I ever seen a team that has such problems with nagging injuries at key positions. How many years in a row have we had to watch 3rd string QBs and RBs get pressed into service? Bear in mind Wan'dale wasn't even supposed to be a RB.

It's easy to feel like you don't want a guy, don't need a guy in the Spring. You get to November and you got a slew of guys who are out and a bunch more playing at 75% health, you get up against a wall when you're trying to keep redshirts on freshmen.

 

[huskat]

I believe I read that we have the 24th highest star rating currently on the team. Yes, some of that is redshirting and/or young. I do know that we are not rated #24.

 

[uberism1111]

I believe I read that we have the 24th highest star rating currently on the team. Yes, some of that is redshirting and/or young. I do know that we are not rated #24.

Personally, I think that stuff is complete garbage. Those star ratings mean nothing once they get to campus. Once they get to campus it is all about pushing oneself to become the best they can be and some players, even with high star ratings, are not going to have the heart/drive to reach their full potential and some will.

It's all about player development and coaching once they get to college.

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

Most? No way. There would possibly be an OLB, guard maybe, WR maybe and with our injuries a safety out there who could help us. Most of those guys would probably come with baggage be it positive drug tests or a me first attitude. The majority of guys who hit the transfer portal in football are not B1G caliber players. Some are but not many. You have to be selective. It's not like Noa is a difference maker. Derrion was a nice addition. A pass rushing OLB would be great to find and maybe a kid stuck behind a future NFL freshman RB or WR would be great.

We could easily find upgrades at QB, RB, WR, OG, C, Mike, Buck, Sam, Will, FS, and SS. Thats half of our starters. The reason most guys grad transfer are because they arent on the 2 deep as Seniors. We have 2 of them starting for us. We are bad bad football team we need upgrades everywhere.

 

[dand84]

I believe I read that we have the 24th highest star rating currently on the team. Yes, some of that is redshirting and/or young. I do know that we are not rated #24.

Our current starting offense consists of 2 4-stars (AM and Wan'dale), 2 Transfers (Noa and Mills), a walk-on (Hixon), a 4-star TE that converted to C (Jurgens), and 5 3-stars(Spielman, Jaimes, Wilson, Farniok, and Stoll).

Our defense (I'm using 12 here) has 4 4-stars (K. Davis, Tannor, Jackson, Dismuke), 1 transfer (Daniels), 1 2-star (Alex Davis), and the rest 3-stars (Miller, Barry, Domann, Taylor-Britt, Bootle). Some of these guys are playing a system or at positions they weren't recruited for either.

 

[CatColumbia]

We could easily find upgrades at QB, RB, WR, OG, C, Mike, Buck, Sam, Will, FS, and SS. Thats half of our starters. The reason most guys grad transfer are because they arent on the 2 deep as Seniors. We have 2 of them starting for us. We are bad bad football team we need upgrades everywhere.

But accoring to @uberism1111 , we are 3 drives away from being a top 25 team.

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

But accoring to @uberism1111 , we are 3 drives away from being a top 25 team.

I finally had to hit the ignore button with that guy. I admire his positivity but I've read enough turd polishing for this season.

 

[TruHusker]

Attrition from those that don't fit the schemes is not a bad thing in the long picture and rebuild process. I would argue half of the guys on D that are starters are not the right fits for a 3-4. But you can't have a roster of 70+ attrition one year and bring in 70+ in one year. There are limitations by the NCAA.

Barry Alvarez had over 50 guys leave when he was doing the rebuild. UCLA has had over 55 guys leave already during their rebuild. I expect us to hit in the high 30's for attrition as Frost brings in his second full class and non-contributors hit the road that have been here for years.

I find this to be so much bull. It is easy to say they don't fit the scheme so get rid of them but that is pure foolishness. If that the case, if Frost decided to go 4-3 then you would be saying he needs to revamp his entire roster. The other one I cannot buy is the complete difference in linemen Frost needs. Then I hear all sorts of generalities such as pulling, RPO's, etc. You mean these gifted athletes can't learn anything new? Guess they better never go pro, they might ask them to do something different.

 

[dand84]

To give some kind of comparison about recruiting rankings and NEB always winning the recruiting battle, what is more important is what is actually on the field, not what might have walked through the door.

Here are the Wisconsin starters (I'm just going off the ourboys 2 deep, not sure if any of these players are hurt or replaced, but I don't think it materially changes things). On offense: 4 4-stars (QB, RB, WR, LT), 4 3-stars, 2 walk-ons. On defense: 3 4-stars, 6 3-stars, 2 2-stars (or maybe walk-ons).

This is what time in a system gives a team like Wisc and is missing from Neb. We have thrown away more 4-star players in 2 years that most teams (not top-tier) recruit in the same period.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

I find this to be so much bull. It is easy to say they don't fit the scheme so get rid of them but that is pure foolishness. If that the case, if Frost decided to go 4-3 then you would be saying he needs to revamp his entire roster. The other one I cannot buy is the complete difference in linemen Frost needs. Then I hear all sorts of generalities such as pulling, RPO's, etc. You mean these gifted athletes can't learn anything new? Guess they better never go pro, they might ask them to do something different.

I don't think any of them need to worry about going pro anytime soon.

 

[uberism1111]

I find this to be so much bull. It is easy to say they don't fit the scheme so get rid of them but that is pure foolishness. If that the case, if Frost decided to go 4-3 then you would be saying he needs to revamp his entire roster. The other one I cannot buy is the complete difference in linemen Frost needs. Then I hear all sorts of generalities such as pulling, RPO's, etc. You mean these gifted athletes can't learn anything new? Guess they better never go pro, they might ask them to do something different.

You going to try and run a spread offense that requires a QB run game with a slow footed, large bodied QB? Good luck with that. If you don't understand that point alone then it is pointless to go into WR, RB, OL, DL, LB and DB.

 

[huskat]

Our current starting offense consists of 2 4-stars (AM and Wan'dale), 2 Transfers (Noa and Mills), a walk-on (Hixon), a 4-star TE that converted to C (Jurgens), and 5 3-stars(Spielman, Jaimes, Wilson, Farniok, and Stoll).

Our defense (I'm using 12 here) has 4 4-stars (K. Davis, Tannor, Jackson, Dismuke), 1 transfer (Daniels), 1 2-star (Alex Davis), and the rest 3-stars (Miller, Barry, Domann, Taylor-Britt, Bootle). Some of these guys are playing a system or at positions they weren't recruited for either.

Which is better than some of the teams we've lost to.

 

[goldencohusker]

When you look at one of the weakest positions on the team - offensive line - there hasn't been a whole lot of attrition. Most of the commits from the 2016-2018 recruiting classes are on the current 2-deep, but clearly they are lacking somewhere (talent, athleticism, development). I remember when the optimism for the class of Farniok, Raridon, and Wilson seemed about as high as what is currently being said for last year's class and the current OL commit list. Hopefully, the optimism holds true this time.

 

[Sporty]

From what I have learned there is something going on with the offensive line. Many players do not believe the best players are being played on the O line! Knowing what we witnessed in the spring game I think this may hold some truth to it !

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Personally, I think that stuff is complete garbage. Those star ratings mean nothing once they get to campus. Once they get to campus it is all about pushing oneself to become the best they can be and some players, even with high star ratings, are not going to have the heart/drive to reach their full potential and some will.

It's all about player development and coaching once they get to college.

Lol he's a "stars don't matter" guy. Whoda thunk it?

 

[uberism1111]

Lol he's a "stars don't matter" guy. Whoda thunk it?

Hey coach, me a 4-star, I can eat fast food daily.

If you don't get the point of my post then it explains the uneducated posts you have been spewing all season long.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Hey coach, me a 4-star, I can eat fast food daily.

If you don't get the point of my post then it explains the uneducated posts you have been spewing all season long.

Ah so four stars are only good for eating fast food and talking like cavemen? Foolish. Pretty much par for the course with you and @Top_Gun_

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Ah so four stars are only good for eating fast food and talking like cavemen? Foolish. Pretty much par for the course with you and @Top_Gun_

for someone who thinks I'm such a stain on the board, you sure tag me in a lot of things I have nothing to do with.

I'm flattered.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

for someone who thinks I'm such a stain on the board, you sure tag me in a lot of things I have nothing to do with.

I'm flattered.

You'd be alright if you didn't get so damn triggered when someone disagrees with you. You get even more irate when the person you disagree with is right. Unfortunately, that seems to happen alot.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

You'd be alright if you didn't get so damn triggered when someone disagrees with you. You get even more irate when the person you disagree with is right. Unfortunately, that seems to happen alot.

what, specifically, are you referring to?

and what does it have to do with you tagging me in posts out of the blue?

xoxo

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

what, specifically, are you referring to?

and what does it have to do with you tagging me in posts out of the blue?

xoxo

Referring to as far as what?

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Referring to as far as what?

You'd be alright if you didn't get so damn triggered when someone disagrees with you. You get even more irate when the person you disagree with is right. Unfortunately, that seems to happen alot.

what, specifically, are you referring to in this statement?

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

what, specifically, are you referring to in this statement?

Probably just all of your profane rants in every other thread.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Probably just all of your profane rants in every other thread.

thanks for yet another thrilling and engaging thread. you continue to bring nothing of substance to this board. keep patting yourself on the back for your losing predictions. it's been a fascinating follow.

live look at @SC_'sker any time anything remotely negative either happens or just possibly could happen to the huskers:

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

thanks for yet another thrilling and engaging thread. you continue to bring nothing of substance to this board. keep patting yourself on the back for your losing predictions. it's been a fascinating follow.

live look at @SC_'sker any time anything remotely negative either happens or just possibly could happen to the huskers:

I bring accurate predictions, fascinating takes, and a unique insight to the board. I'm more realistic than most, so I help to balance things out with all of the mindless and baseless optimism on here.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

I bring accurate predictions, fascinating takes, and a unique insight to the board. I'm more realistic than most, so I help to balance things out with all of the mindless and baseless optimism on here.

It really shows in the amount of likes you’ve piled up over the years. The people can’t get enough!

 

[dinglefritz]

With the clarity of 20/20 hindsight, showing so many guys which way the door was if they didn't like it may have been an overreach. We'll never know who left because they wanted to and who left because they were encouraged to. But surely there were some guys who got chased rather than running.

I don't know if anyone anticipated the degree to which guys who were just kinda good would be an upgrade at a lot of sports further down the road.

Nor have I ever seen a team that has such problems with nagging injuries at key positions. How many years in a row have we had to watch 3rd string QBs and RBs get pressed into service? Bear in mind Wan'dale wasn't even supposed to be a RB.

It's easy to feel like you don't want a guy, don't need a guy in the Spring. You get to November and you got a slew of guys who are out and a bunch more playing at 75% health, you get up against a wall when you're trying to keep redshirts on freshmen.

IMO the only guy I wish we had kept was Gebbia. Lindsey and the one linebacker are starting now for OSU but don't know if they would have cracked the lineup or not. They both didn't have the best attitude. You kind of wonder if Breon Dixon might have helped this year at OLB. Pretty small.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

It really shows in the amount of likes you’ve piled up over the years. The people can’t get enough!

Some people only want to hear what they want to hear, they can't handle the truth.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Some people only want to hear what they want to hear, they can't handle the truth.

Ah so you’re one of those ‘likes don’t matter’ types. Whoda thunk it?!

I know the team sucks. Everyone with two eyes does. You stating it over and over doesn’t make you Nostradamus. It makes you a wet blanket.

Baxter, thank you for service. Another hero whose back patting arm must be exhausted.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

Just taking a look at the players we had by position that should have been playing last year or this year and didn't. Stars per Rivals. [DNE - Did not Enroll, NWT - Not with Team, PRO - Went pro, T - Transfered]

• DB: (Blades DNE, Jackson T, Dixon T, C. Jones T , C.J. Smith T). 4/5 Frost guys. 3 4-stars
• DL: (Watts DNE)
• LB: (Simmons T, Ward T, Hampton T, Roberts T, Thomas T). No Frost guys. 2 4-stars
• OL (Hannon T, Brokop T, Barnett retired, Canty DNE, Johnson T, Gates pro). 1 Frost guy, 2 4-stars
• QB (O'Brien T, Gebbia T). No Frost guys. 2 4-stars
• RB (Miles T, Washington NWT, Bell T). 2 Frost guys
• WR/TE (Legrone NWT, Johnson DNE, Alston T, Williams T, Watt DNE, Lindsey T, Hunt NWT, McGriff T, M. Jones T). 5 Frost guys. 4 4-stars.

So, 13 4-star players that were recruited, signed, but for whatever reason, didn't contribute. So 31 players in total (12 Frost guys). I apologize in advance if I am missing anyone. Some had personal issues and needed to transfer. Some were hit with injury and retired. Some had off-the-field and/or academic issues.

That is tremendous amount of talent no longer on the team.

It doesn’t matter!!!

A good coach can beat D1 competition with 9th graders.


Did I do that right?

 

[Jimmy Frank]

Personally, I think that stuff is complete garbage. Those star ratings mean nothing once they get to campus. Once they get to campus it is all about pushing oneself to become the best they can be and some players, even with high star ratings, are not going to have the heart/drive to reach their full potential and some will.

It's all about player development and coaching once they get to college.

I don’t know, the correlation between high ranking recruiting classes for teams that have won nattys in the last 10 years is strong.

 

[uberism1111]

I don’t know, the correlation between high ranking recruiting classes for teams that have won nattys in the last 10 years is strong.

If one doesn't put in the work and instead eats junk food, gets homsick or whatever, they aren't going to reach their full potential. Combine that wil players that already peaked, others that leave, etc, and it doesn't tell the true story for the talent on the roster.

It's one thing to take a roster on the first day of practice and say, "damn this team is loaded" and then you go to practice and you see your DE put on bad weight and looks slow this year, or a RB put on too much weight and runs slower, etc, etc.

That is what I am getting at.

Let's use the Davis twins as an example. They were disruptive coming out of high school but very undersized. Not many schools were after them that heavily because of that. When Bo got fired they almost left the recruiting class. Over the time of having many different DL coaches coaching them, another head coaching fire, moving to a 3-4, having a terrible S&C program under Riley, and them putting on a ton of really bad weight over the years, you get what see on the filed this season - a glimps of what they should have been by the time they became seniors and not what we see on most plays.

 

[dinglefritz]

If one doesn't put in the work and instead eats junk food, gets homsick or whatever, they aren't going to reach their full potential. Combine that wil players that already peaked, others that leave, etc, and it doesn't tell the true story for the talent on the roster.

It's one thing to take a roster on the first day of practice and say, "damn this team is loaded" and then you go to practice and you see your DE put on bad weight and looks slow this year, or a RB put on too much weight and runs slower, etc, etc.

That is what I am getting at.

Let's use the Davis twins as an example. They were disruptive coming out of high school but very undersized. Not many schools were after them that heavily because of that. When Bo got fired they almost left the recruiting class. Over the time of having many different DL coaches coaching them, another head coaching fire, moving to a 3-4, having a terrible S&C program under Riley, and them putting on a ton of really bad weight over the years, you get what see on the filed this season - a glimps of what they should have been by the time they became seniors and not what we see on most plays.

The Davis twins are still pretty good players and we will miss them. I think you over estimate the amount of "bad weight" they're carrying. Athletic DTs are VERY tough to find.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

If one doesn't put in the work and instead eats junk food, gets homsick or whatever, they aren't going to reach their full potential. Combine that wil players that already peaked, others that leave, etc, and it doesn't tell the true story for the talent on the roster.

It's one thing to take a roster on the first day of practice and say, "damn this team is loaded" and then you go to practice and you see your DE put on bad weight and looks slow this year, or a RB put on too much weight and runs slower, etc, etc.

That is what I am getting at.

Let's use the Davis twins as an example. They were disruptive coming out of high school but very undersized. Not many schools were after them that heavily because of that. When Bo got fired they almost left the recruiting class. Over the time of having many different DL coaches coaching them, another head coaching fire, moving to a 3-4, having a terrible S&C program under Riley, and them putting on a ton of really bad weight over the years, you get what see on the filed this season - a glimps of what they should have been by the time they became seniors and not what we see on most plays.

So 3* guys always reach their full potential and never get homesick, peak in high school, or eat too much? Got it. That must be how every national champion for god knows how long gets it done.