Awe damn.... the USM rumor has legs..
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you start calling us pussies for not playing them.
I'm interested if it's home and home. I wouldn't be opposed to playing them at our place, but not there. That's no better than playing Mempis, actually probably worse.
I'm interested if it's home and home. I wouldn't be opposed to playing them at our place, but not there. That's no better than playing Mempis, actually probably worse.
I'm down with a home and home against USM. The recruiting theory is overblown. We lost to Maine, guys. Maine. WTF difference did that make? After a year, none, really. I think it'd be an exciting atmosphere in Starkville and Hattiesburg. Losing to USM will do no more damage than losing to Tulane, Houston, LA Tech, or Troy. Let's get real. It's a new day in college football. Recruits are going out of state now more than ever. The implications of this game matter more to the fans than it does to the recruits. If it makes financial sense, I'd much rather attend an exciting, stadium-filled football game than watch us beat a meaningless team that we paid half a million bucks for.
In future seasons, we should play Tulane and Southern Miss. Sure beats UAB and Memphis, or Houston and Middle Tennessee, or anyone paired with LA Tech. It just makes sense. Tulane used to be in the SEC and we can play in the Dome every two years. USM's an in-state school and the game will generate revenue/interest more so than any other C-USA team. Done.
In future seasons, we should play Tulane and Southern Miss. Sure beats UAB and Memphis, or Houston and Middle Tennessee, or anyone paired with LA Tech. It just makes sense. Tulane used to be in the SEC and we can play in the Dome every two years. USM's an in-state school and the game will generate revenue/interest more so than any other C-USA team. Done.
OOC opponent. I don't want to play Georgia Tech and Southern. I am ok with playing Southern and three other junk teams, even if it is a home and home. If we are playing a top 25, plus Southern, I am very much opposed.
....there is no way that this is not a home/home. Considering that they can get Nebraska to play there, and considering that we will have been to La. Tech and MTSU, this is a home/home. Maybe there is an outside shot at a 2 for 1, but we would be paying a huge amount of money for them to agree to this. A one game trip to Vegas would fly in the face of everything I have ever heard/read from their administration.
from someone in the athletic dept that LT offered them a 10 year deal at one time and USM declined. Why? Because every game would be played in Starkville. Maybe they've changed their minds and will only play in Starkville now, but I kind of doubt it. I see a home and home in the future.
The one person you can expect to be on the MSU bandwagon about this is Rick Cleveland.
Xeno is completely right, if MSU wins, they are supposed to, if they lose they just elevated USM in the state in the eyes of recruits, and fans.
MSU can always big brother USM because of the SEC, if USM beats them on the field, there is very little MSU can hang their hat on. Also, if it is a home and home, that is just another tough road game with very little benefit for MSU.
Xeno is completely right, if MSU wins, they are supposed to, if they lose they just elevated USM in the state in the eyes of recruits, and fans.
MSU can always big brother USM because of the SEC, if USM beats them on the field, there is very little MSU can hang their hat on. Also, if it is a home and home, that is just another tough road game with very little benefit for MSU.
Even if we have to shell out some coinage, because that could set up some nice home schedules.</p>
It's 2009. Embrace this. 1998 was one year. Dare I say, 1941 was one year. Our championship-level success in this sport, in this conference, is documented seemingly a half-century at a time. Playing and losing to Southern Miss won't mean a damn thing. It will hurt our pride, but what loss won't? In these trying economic times, lay down your concerns of what other schools would and wouldn't do and recognize this for what it will be... an exciting college football game. Who gives a f*ck what Ole Miss "will never" do? That mentality only confirms their ********** nature. We are the People's University, and we should never care to compare our mindset with theirs.
I realize some of you are concerned with how playing the Eagles could impact recruiting, but fear not! We are a member of the Southeastern Conference. That is something the University of Southern Mississippi will never be able to say. And now, with ESPN's new billionaire deal to the SEC, we are immune to non-conference losses impacting in-state recruiting on a large scale. If an 18-year old kid were to say, "Wow, USM beat State in Starkville. I'm going to USM." Let him go. The bottom line is this: he probably would have gone anyways. The exposure a student-athlete will receive by playing in the SEC is now second to none in the world. Any recruit would be a fool not to realize this.
What will matter from here on out, on our end, is an impressive atmosphere. You want a north endzone? You want to be the kind of team that actually could demand a home-only game from USM? Well, we better start winning. And we better start filling up that god damn stadium. With all of our games being televised, we need to impress viewers not only with what we have on the field, but also with what we have in the stands. We need opponents willing to travel to our fair city, drink our Sunday beer, and envy our culinary delights and debauchery in the Junction. You think all that painting and posting on Davis Wade is just for us? No, it's just as much for the visitors and viewers on television.
Stop being pussies. This series is long overdue. Like snapping into a Slim Jim, the Starkville-Hattiesburg marriage will only generate excitement. Filling up our stadium for a non-conference game can do nothing but HELP. I detest any attitude that feels we are better than this. Better than what? Better than our record? Better than our bank account? Better than a team that's been to more bowl games than we have? Take this situation as an opportunity. A challenge. An obligation to the Great State of Mississippi. Let's pull up our jocks, and go play these Buzzard Bastards wherever the hell they want.
I realize some of you are concerned with how playing the Eagles could impact recruiting, but fear not! We are a member of the Southeastern Conference. That is something the University of Southern Mississippi will never be able to say. And now, with ESPN's new billionaire deal to the SEC, we are immune to non-conference losses impacting in-state recruiting on a large scale. If an 18-year old kid were to say, "Wow, USM beat State in Starkville. I'm going to USM." Let him go. The bottom line is this: he probably would have gone anyways. The exposure a student-athlete will receive by playing in the SEC is now second to none in the world. Any recruit would be a fool not to realize this.
What will matter from here on out, on our end, is an impressive atmosphere. You want a north endzone? You want to be the kind of team that actually could demand a home-only game from USM? Well, we better start winning. And we better start filling up that god damn stadium. With all of our games being televised, we need to impress viewers not only with what we have on the field, but also with what we have in the stands. We need opponents willing to travel to our fair city, drink our Sunday beer, and envy our culinary delights and debauchery in the Junction. You think all that painting and posting on Davis Wade is just for us? No, it's just as much for the visitors and viewers on television.
Stop being pussies. This series is long overdue. Like snapping into a Slim Jim, the Starkville-Hattiesburg marriage will only generate excitement. Filling up our stadium for a non-conference game can do nothing but HELP. I detest any attitude that feels we are better than this. Better than what? Better than our record? Better than our bank account? Better than a team that's been to more bowl games than we have? Take this situation as an opportunity. A challenge. An obligation to the Great State of Mississippi. Let's pull up our jocks, and go play these Buzzard Bastards wherever the hell they want.
Could someone post the article so we can read it or at least tell me where it is. Plus I live in the burg so I'm for it. I can sleep in my bed and if we do win I won't have to listen to that yall won't play us **** anymore.
jamdawg96 said:
I was at that game. There were TONS of empty seats. If they can't sell out their (pre expanded) stadium for effin Nebraska, then why should be go down there and sell it out for them? It either needs to be in Starkville, a 2 for 1, or there needs to be an extra cash incentive for us to play a home and home with them.
and has the potential to cost us recruits? we don't have the number of athletes to choose from like schools in Florida, Texas and Calif....
there are not enough here in Miss for 3 schools to make 3 legit d-1 teams... there are quality players here but not enough to spread around to 3 d-1 teams...
why would you want to jeopordize even ONE quality recruit?
you may describe their nature as "**********" but Kyatt's opinion is way more intelligent than yours...
we're not being pussies....we are being smart by putting our football program's best interest front and center
to increase our revenue, we should be focused on getting to big bowl games which will lead to stadium expansion....not a little extra money from some ticket sales for 1 football game a year... let's do things that will increase our own fan base and not rely on ticket sales from our little brother down south...
if you are realy looking out for the best interests of MSU football, then you should want USM to dwindle and crumble...and I think that is a distinct possibility that could happen in the next few years.... I for one pull for those pieces of crap to lose every time they play.. it's in our best interests for them to lose
there are not enough here in Miss for 3 schools to make 3 legit d-1 teams... there are quality players here but not enough to spread around to 3 d-1 teams...
why would you want to jeopordize even ONE quality recruit?
you may describe their nature as "**********" but Kyatt's opinion is way more intelligent than yours...
we're not being pussies....we are being smart by putting our football program's best interest front and center
to increase our revenue, we should be focused on getting to big bowl games which will lead to stadium expansion....not a little extra money from some ticket sales for 1 football game a year... let's do things that will increase our own fan base and not rely on ticket sales from our little brother down south...
if you are realy looking out for the best interests of MSU football, then you should want USM to dwindle and crumble...and I think that is a distinct possibility that could happen in the next few years.... I for one pull for those pieces of crap to lose every time they play.. it's in our best interests for them to lose
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Why help build their program? We need to build our own program. If Mullen wants to dominate the state in recruiting, then playing this game will not help. It's a bad deal for us.
I wouldn't say there were TONS of empty seats-- it was pretty darn close to being filled if I recall correctly. But there are games where there have been loads of empty seats.
I doubt it. Whether they play us or not.
We're still in the SEC. And how many times have we lost to Ole Miss and lost out on a quality recruit because of that game? I bet it doesn't happen very often in all honesty.
Plus, we're talking about one game, in Starkville. Not a 10 year series.
We're still in the SEC. And how many times have we lost to Ole Miss and lost out on a quality recruit because of that game? I bet it doesn't happen very often in all honesty.
Plus, we're talking about one game, in Starkville. Not a 10 year series.
KHAYAT's (learn how to spell it, jackass) position is stubborn and close-minded like yours. Southern Miss is never going to dwindle and crumble unless something happens to their university as a whole. Parity in college football is, if anything, growing.
My statement wasn't suggesting that we jeopardize a quality recruit. I'm saying that the players who go to USM usually would have gone there regardless of anything having to do with us. The Eagles will primarily thrive on the "chip-on-their-shoulder" recruits, and while I'm not saying we shouldn't get a few of our own for good measure, our aim going forward should be much higher than that. We offer a completely different experience than USM in terms of exposure and potential (BCS conference), so recruits should already look at us in a different light, regardless of our record.
The best interest of the program? We need to catch up with the rest of the SEC in figures. We can't afford to pay for home-only games like other schools can. That's the burden of being low on the SEC totem pole. Just look at Stansbury. We need to take whatever opportunities we can get to fill up the schedule and the stadium. Fans will be more encouraged to attend games of this nature. Leave the worrying of whether we will win or not to Mullen's efforts.
Like I said, we can eventually get to that next level where demanding a home-only is relevant, but you're fooling yourself if you think we're there now, or will be in the next few years. We're not just going to magically fill our non-conference schedule with BCS opponents. Let's not get ahead of ourselves just because we finally got the spread offense.
Bottom line: Playing USM will help us financially, help our image on television (filled stadium, exciting atmosphere), and IS NOT AS BIG OF A DEAL FOR IN-STATE RECRUITING AS YOU ARE MAKING IT OUT TO BE. It doesn't have to be forever, but I think it'd be a great thing to implement for the near future, while we're getting back on our feet. You are masking your fears with flawed, stale logic.
My statement wasn't suggesting that we jeopardize a quality recruit. I'm saying that the players who go to USM usually would have gone there regardless of anything having to do with us. The Eagles will primarily thrive on the "chip-on-their-shoulder" recruits, and while I'm not saying we shouldn't get a few of our own for good measure, our aim going forward should be much higher than that. We offer a completely different experience than USM in terms of exposure and potential (BCS conference), so recruits should already look at us in a different light, regardless of our record.
The best interest of the program? We need to catch up with the rest of the SEC in figures. We can't afford to pay for home-only games like other schools can. That's the burden of being low on the SEC totem pole. Just look at Stansbury. We need to take whatever opportunities we can get to fill up the schedule and the stadium. Fans will be more encouraged to attend games of this nature. Leave the worrying of whether we will win or not to Mullen's efforts.
Like I said, we can eventually get to that next level where demanding a home-only is relevant, but you're fooling yourself if you think we're there now, or will be in the next few years. We're not just going to magically fill our non-conference schedule with BCS opponents. Let's not get ahead of ourselves just because we finally got the spread offense.
Bottom line: Playing USM will help us financially, help our image on television (filled stadium, exciting atmosphere), and IS NOT AS BIG OF A DEAL FOR IN-STATE RECRUITING AS YOU ARE MAKING IT OUT TO BE. It doesn't have to be forever, but I think it'd be a great thing to implement for the near future, while we're getting back on our feet. You are masking your fears with flawed, stale logic.
we pretty much (based on say the last 10 years of recruiting) on the same level as ole miss when it comes to in state recruiting....as a matter of fact, we actually have a better overall record than them in that area.... for obvious reasons that is just simly the case...
with USM though, we have a clear cut advantage and for the good of our program, we don't need that to change and losing to them would indeed level a playing field that right now we have the upper hand...
from a personal standpoint, I'd like to see the game.... I just don't see it helping us and has the potential to hurt....
let's stay away from it...
with USM though, we have a clear cut advantage and for the good of our program, we don't need that to change and losing to them would indeed level a playing field that right now we have the upper hand...
from a personal standpoint, I'd like to see the game.... I just don't see it helping us and has the potential to hurt....
let's stay away from it...
You bring the insults, ***. I'll bring the logic. No one has given a reason why it shouldn't be done other than the in-state recruiting. And that's exaggerated. Most recruits aren't going to give a **** about the outcome of this game. The overall record and what the school has to offer them (playing time, quality of campus, hot dogs, etc..) will matter much more. So, essentially, we have very little to lose in terms of recruiting if Mullen does his job. Give me a reason that makes sense financially as to why we shouldn't do it, and I'll back off.
All I'm doing is relating to the mindset that will eventually prevail in these discussions between our department and theirs in years to come. This game will mean a lot more to the people at the game than it will to the people playing in it. If the financial pros outweigh the recruiting pros, it's going to become a reality. To steal a line from The Matrix, "It is... inevitable."
Saying this is a "strike" against Byrne is ridiculous. Consider this:
LSU plays at Tulane. Texas Tech plays at Houston. Tennessee plays at Memphis next year. Texas and Baylor are scheduled to play Rice in Houston within the next two years. Miami is playing at Central Florida. North Carolina plays at East Carolina next year. SHALL I GO ON?
Stop being so f*cking stubborn.
All I'm doing is relating to the mindset that will eventually prevail in these discussions between our department and theirs in years to come. This game will mean a lot more to the people at the game than it will to the people playing in it. If the financial pros outweigh the recruiting pros, it's going to become a reality. To steal a line from The Matrix, "It is... inevitable."
Saying this is a "strike" against Byrne is ridiculous. Consider this:
LSU plays at Tulane. Texas Tech plays at Houston. Tennessee plays at Memphis next year. Texas and Baylor are scheduled to play Rice in Houston within the next two years. Miami is playing at Central Florida. North Carolina plays at East Carolina next year. SHALL I GO ON?
Stop being so f*cking stubborn.