Awesome news if true. Katz update about Sidney.
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there will be some served if he does, in fact, make it on the court. I will believe it when I see it though.
Question: who is responsible for the agreement/disagreement of the so-called facts that have been presented by the NCAA? Does MSU give their blessing or does Jackson? If it's MSU and the list seems harmless enough, I'm sure this could be resolved very quickly. If it's Jackson, I would be not surprised to see it drag out. I'm sure he'll nitpick the findings even if discrepancies are immaterial. That's what attorneys do best.
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Why in the world would we play him? If he is ultimately not cleared (which is certainly possible), then we would have to forfeit any wins we get in games he played in. Byrne and Stans are handling this correctly by not playing him. There is absolutely no reason to risk forfeiting wins.
ckDOG said:
I would assume that the university is the one that has to agree or disagree, as the document was sent to the university. I doubt seriously that Jackson would agree to anything that is not lock solid proven, as it may be damaging to a future lawsuit. If all that they have is dishonesty about someone that gave him a ride somewhere in 9th grade, and they held him up for 16 games on that, the NCAA may be looking at a high 7 figure lawsuit or more - they have cost this young man a whole lot of money - his peers (wall, cousins, etc.) have been making money and "lapping" Renardo while the NCAA has been jacking him around.
Should he ever be cleared, is he in any kind of shape to be playing? I known many probably have these dreams of Sidney coming in and dominating en route to an SEC championship. But, I bet the guy won't be able to make it up and down the court playing against SEC athletes that have been conditioned over 15+ games. Combine the fact that he hasn't been practicing with the team and the questions many have posed about his past work either (i.e. he's fat), I don't see this guy being a major contributor until close to SEC tourney time. Maybe I'm underestimating his raw ability, but I just don't see slow fat people succeeding in SEC play at the drop of a hat.
why not, the positive free PR from the talking heads of a deep NCAA run far out weighs having to possibly give up those games in the future.
I heard Stansbury speak at a private function in Jackson before the season and he said that Sidney overweight at 300lbs and not in game shape is better than anyone we have on the floor. Take it for what it's worth.
The NCAA loves to be taunted, I'm sure. And if they declare him ineligible in say, March, it wouldn't exactly help us, would it?
Jeebus, this board gets worse every day.
Jeebus, this board gets worse every day.
is that it's likely some kind of decision is going to made regarding Sidney <span style="font-style: italic;">this</span> season. It's not like we could play the guy the rest of the season, make a deep run in the tourney, only to have the games forfeited at a later date like the Memphis run a couple of seasons ago.
If we play him, and the NCAA comes up with something that could disqualify his amateur status, we'll forfeit those wins before tourney time even comes around and we will look like complete dumb asses.
If we play him, and the NCAA comes up with something that could disqualify his amateur status, we'll forfeit those wins before tourney time even comes around and we will look like complete dumb asses.
trying to play a guessing game with NCAA is something we can all agree is not a good course of action.
And playing him is just daring the NCAA to rule him inelgible.
My black helicopter theory is that we are going to spread this word about thinking the findings of fact are harmless so that we can agree to them and not have to fight it. The NCAA can then rule him ineligible and we can all move on.
And playing him is just daring the NCAA to rule him inelgible.
My black helicopter theory is that we are going to spread this word about thinking the findings of fact are harmless so that we can agree to them and not have to fight it. The NCAA can then rule him ineligible and we can all move on.
the only organization that can approve someone and then punish someone else even though they followed the NCAA's rules. To me if the NCAA approves someone it should be a permanent thing. If the NCAA later finds a mistake then so be it. However, they make the rules, break the rules, and then selectively enforce the rules.
has had to forfeit wins mid-season for any reason in a big 3 college sport.
The NCAA doesn't do that kind of thing typically.</p>
The NCAA doesn't do that kind of thing typically.</p>
because of what you said about MSU vs Don Jackson signing off on the "letter of facts".
If MSU signs off and agrees that the Sidney's did whatever wrong, and acknowledges it, regardless of whether it's really true or not, it means that Sidney is declared eligible or ineligble more quickly, which is to MSU's benefit one way or the other.
I'm sure Jackson doesn't want that to happen because I'm pretty sure that he wants this to drag out so that he can sue the NCAA for damages - the longer Sidney sits out, the more damaging. That's why Jackson all of a sudden had his out of left field rant against Byrne and Keenum. Jackson knows that there is no way in hell that Byrne is going to challenge the findings to drag this out even longer because that would not benefit MSU.
The other thing to think about with Sidney is this- he may have wanted to not play. If he is cleared, he is apparently going to have to work himself back into shape and into a starting spot, which may actually hurt his draft stock more than if he had actually sat out. The NBA will look at him and say- you couldn't start at Mississippi State and you're out of shape. Why would we draft you? Which means that Sidney may have to come back for another year.
If MSU signs off and agrees that the Sidney's did whatever wrong, and acknowledges it, regardless of whether it's really true or not, it means that Sidney is declared eligible or ineligble more quickly, which is to MSU's benefit one way or the other.
I'm sure Jackson doesn't want that to happen because I'm pretty sure that he wants this to drag out so that he can sue the NCAA for damages - the longer Sidney sits out, the more damaging. That's why Jackson all of a sudden had his out of left field rant against Byrne and Keenum. Jackson knows that there is no way in hell that Byrne is going to challenge the findings to drag this out even longer because that would not benefit MSU.
The other thing to think about with Sidney is this- he may have wanted to not play. If he is cleared, he is apparently going to have to work himself back into shape and into a starting spot, which may actually hurt his draft stock more than if he had actually sat out. The NBA will look at him and say- you couldn't start at Mississippi State and you're out of shape. Why would we draft you? Which means that Sidney may have to come back for another year.
You're suggesting that we just taunt the NCAA? Great idea, sport.
Speaking of "typical", typically, schools that have players whose eligibility is in question don't brazenly play them in the face of the NCAA.
Speaking of "typical", typically, schools that have players whose eligibility is in question don't brazenly play them in the face of the NCAA.
If Sidney was cleared before the season, he would be a sure fire first round draft pick. Right now, he is out of shape, but could get into shape in about 2-3 weeks. With his body, he would lose 15-20lbs in no time. He can also pile on weight from not training. (See Dontae Walker)
Would the NBA really sign this guy after not playing a minute at MSU? I don't think so, but I can see him going to Europe for a year after the college season and going to the NBA like Brandon Jennings. In shape or not, he would add a major scoring and rebounding threat at the power forward position that could be the difference between us making the NCAA's as a 8/9 and us making it as a 4 and making it past the second round. All of this speculation could be for nothing, but it seems like a decision is coming.
Would the NBA really sign this guy after not playing a minute at MSU? I don't think so, but I can see him going to Europe for a year after the college season and going to the NBA like Brandon Jennings. In shape or not, he would add a major scoring and rebounding threat at the power forward position that could be the difference between us making the NCAA's as a 8/9 and us making it as a 4 and making it past the second round. All of this speculation could be for nothing, but it seems like a decision is coming.
I could easily see this being the case. Once it was apparent he wasn't going to be able to get his client cleared towards the beginning of the season, I think he's transformed this into a case that benefits Don Jackson the most (could have been his intent from the start). What would that be? A multimillion dollar settlement between Sidney and the NCAA. I'm not suggesting he would win such a case. But, I'm sure he's seeing dollar signs and is not concerned with immediate closure. As you said, the longer he can drag this out, the higher he can claim damages to be.
I am pretty sure the kids wants to play ball, he is just out of game shape because he is not getting the reps or being forced to run up and down the floor.[b said:
He should be primed by early February. Can Stans get to the Sweet 16 finally?
not quite, we've been jumping through hoops (really bad pun) with the NCAA over this kid for months, if we had started him the first game of the year all the while dismissing the NCAA then we would have been brazenly playing him.
As Katz says, the admin has seen the facts the NCAA has sent and sees no reason why he shouldn't be playing, they know just like everyone else knows that this is a witch hunt.
You still haven't answered my question regarding programs forfeiting games mid season. And you should really work on your conversation skills, suggesting that someone is ignorant, dumb, or retarded because they disagree with you is pretty petty. </p>
As Katz says, the admin has seen the facts the NCAA has sent and sees no reason why he shouldn't be playing, they know just like everyone else knows that this is a witch hunt.
You still haven't answered my question regarding programs forfeiting games mid season. And you should really work on your conversation skills, suggesting that someone is ignorant, dumb, or retarded because they disagree with you is pretty petty. </p>
Pretty sure your question was answered a couple times now. They were dismissive obvious responses, but there were answers that are legit.zerocooldog said:
Really, how many programs even play such a player so that they would be in the position to forfeit games mid season? I cant think of any. I cant think of a program that knows a player hasnt been cleared to play yet plays em.
He would have direct knowledge of the findings and if the findings are what they are saying, I could see Rick wanting it leaked so that there is a little bit more public pressure on the NCAA to make a ruling. Obviously, leaking this information would have to be anonymous.
He makes it sound like the source is associated with MSU and I would think he would only have a short list of people it could be. Others may be able to speculate, but I don't think Andy Katz would say something unless his source was solid. The big thing that stands out is that in a post made 26 minutes before, he gives quotes from Stansbury made by cell phone regarding our win. He obviously talked to him yesterday, so maybe there was some additional off the record information being shared. If true, I think that's a real good sign.
He makes it sound like the source is associated with MSU and I would think he would only have a short list of people it could be. Others may be able to speculate, but I don't think Andy Katz would say something unless his source was solid. The big thing that stands out is that in a post made 26 minutes before, he gives quotes from Stansbury made by cell phone regarding our win. He obviously talked to him yesterday, so maybe there was some additional off the record information being shared. If true, I think that's a real good sign.