GAME THREAD Backyard Brawl - WVU vs Pitt

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And if he killed a person while driving five times over the legal limit?

You put that line wherever you need it to be to make yourself feel good about it.
What about the other 100 million or so drunk drivers that still drive in America every day, drunk as heck because they are alcoholics. Down the road from me is a very popular bar and grill. There has to be 50-100 cars in their parking lot 7 nights per week. They all get drunk and drive home. Those people dont have DD's or call Uber. Many of them have had DUI's already on top of it.
 
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The only cut and dry argument to me is the state car thing that someone just posted and deleted, but even then, the way it all went down ensured maximum damage to WVU basketball, and that part is on 'Gee and Baker. The next day, it should have been announced that he was suspended indefinitely. Then they have time to deal with everything including the players, to sit down and hash things out, working out an exit plan and allowing the court system to handle Huggins before you make his resignation official. It may have saved some players leaving and in this case I think it wouldve. It was the only chance to save anything, and they didnt even try. It is what it is....

I put my sig suspended indefinitely months ago because this was obviously coming lol. Optmism was high for some, but imo, going from a HOF coach to a guy who never coached was going to pretty much throw a season away totally, and losing the players ensured that.
 
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So the program, state, school all have to eat a massive setback to a program that has been consistently successful driving revenue, donations, applications, and awareness for the school and send it back to the Stone Age because you demand the 69 year old hardass coach be taught a lesson beyond what the law requires?
That's called "consequences". The program will recover. The state? The school? Damn, man. You realize that sports is only a small part of life, right? It's more important to do the right thing in LIFE and let people know they have consequences for their actions.
 
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None of those offenses are a big deal. 1 million DUIs are issued per year, no one is blacklisted from their industry unless they are a taxi driver over it. The other, a stupid remark on an AM radio station about a rowdy student section… like who cares, you don’t burn down a 15 year legacy over either of those things. Its 2023, the news cycle buries those stories in about 15 minutes nowadays.
Do you really want proven wrong? I'd back away from that statement.
 

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I didn’t know Huggins fired himself…
You know what he did as we all do. He put himself over the state and the team. He thought he could do whatever he wanted and was beyond reproach. He was a trainwreck waiting to happen by not seeking help for his drinking problem and 2, by not using his driver the night he could have killed someone. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming others. Hugs and hugs alone is responsible for what happened to WVU basketball. Maybe his old man should have had a rear view mirror so he'd stop repeating his same mistakes and learned from them.
 

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That's called "consequences". The program will recover. The state? The school? Damn, man. You realize that sports is only a small part of life, right? It's more important to do the right think in LIFE and let people know they have consequences for their actions.
Oh no, he's right. It's not Hugg's fault that he doesn't learn from his mistakes. Keep slapping him on the wrist until he kills someone. Then blame that person for dying.
 

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And if he killed a person while driving five times over the legal limit?

You put that line wherever you need it to be to make yourself feel good about it.
First - he didn’t. Second - there are 13,384 drunk driving crashes for 1 million recorded DUIs, count the ones that aren’t reported and you have a better shot at killing someone by unknowingly spreading Covid. Grow up, the world is full of flawed people.
 

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Oh no, he's right. It's not Hugg's fault that he doesn't learn from his mistakes. Keep slapping him on the wrist until he kills someone. Then blame that person for dying.
So many drama queens ITT, statistically we are more likely to win a national title this year than Huggins killing someone.
 

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Do you really want proven wrong? I'd back away from that statement.
Grow up kid. We have 60k people leave Mountaineer field after boozing all day and having a few more in the stadium. There are 32 pro and 50ish similar or larger sized college stadiums where the same thing happens every weekend. Wouldn’t be surprised if Gee and Baker drive themselves home on game days. You punish everyone who leaves those stadiums with the same “consequences” as Huggins, we don’t even have an economy anymore.
 
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I’m on record saying the university could have weathered the storm and kept Huggins, but, many people can and do lose their jobs from a DUI. I know I would, and driving is not a key aspect of what I do.
 

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Grow up kid. We have 60k people leave Mountaineer field after boozing all day and having a few more in the stadium. There are 32 pro and 50ish similar or larger sized college stadiums where the same thing happens every weekend. Wouldn’t be surprised if Gee and Baker drive themselves home on game days. You punish everyone who leaves those stadiums with the same “consequences” as Huggins, we don’t even have an economy anymore.
You realize "consequences" happen after you are caught, right?
 

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You realize "consequences" happen after you are caught, right?
Yes, like I said consequences = fine, loss of license, night in the drunk tank. Throw in embarrassing headline on ESPN. Nowhere does it say “consequences” = blowing up a sports program. You think Bama bats an eyelash if Saban or even Nate Oats got a DUI?

You’re also basically acknowledging that you only care that Huggins does what tens of thousands of WVU fans do after every WVU football game because Huggins got caught. If he didn’t get caught he’s still a good guy then? Hypocrite.
 
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It won't be a very good record this year but I think if we get Krisa back and Akok gets his legs back, we will sneak out a few wins. Pitts shooting percentage last night was insane.
 

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It won't be a very good record this year but I think if we get Krisa back and Akok gets his legs back, we will sneak out a few wins. Pitts shooting percentage last night was insane.
I have to think anyone who can will be jumping in the portal midseason. This is as lifeless and uncohesive of a team I have ever seen. They will all be transferring down or parallel shortly rather than stick with the substitute teacher and get embarrassed on national tv every Wednesday and Saturday.
 

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We’re going 0-fer in conference guaranteed. The rest of the normal “layups” on our schedule are teams on par with or better than Monmouth, so they will be a struggle.
With Kerr there is a chance for wins against UCF and Oklahoma State.
 

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I’m on record saying the university could have weathered the storm and kept Huggins, but, many people can and do lose their jobs from a DUI. I know I would, and driving is not a key aspect of what I do.
You want bad publicity let them Keep a drunk as your coach.
 
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You want bad publicity them Keep a drunk as your coach.
Pretty sure being 3-5 with losses to Monmouth, SMU and letting Pitt form a layup line in your building is far more damaging than having a bad headline on ESPN for a few hours.
 

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Pretty sure being 3-5 with losses to Monmouth, SMU and letting Pitt form a layup line in your building is far more damaging than having a bad headline on ESPN for a few hours.
So you prefer drunkards on the highways and WVU court side? No gurantee the W/L change as Huggins last 5 years allowed ,ore layups than a practice round.

WVU problem last night was allowing Pitt to shoot 42% from 3. This staff is really bad and this lineup has no depth. It's a bad combination.
 
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On a side note, I know a guy who just got his 2nd DUI a couple weeks ago, and he still has his job and will be able to drive with a blow maching thingy in short order. In fact other than it costing him a bunch of money, its like it never happened. It didnt even make the news, go figure. My neighbor too, she currently has a DUI. She didnt lose her job either and also drives with a blow thingy. But Bob Huggins is a leader of basketball players. No way someone like that can slip up! Too important for the fabric of our society lol.

We went from a HOF coach to a guy who has never coached before. This season had to have very low expectations. I never expected to win much this season. Just ride it out....
This is an indictment on how lenient we are on drunk drivers not a defense of what Huggins did. You are just trying to cope with the unfortunate reality that you already know. A basketball coach at this level is a public relations position. The standards of behavior are higher than your neighbor and guy you know who is just acted like a complete ******* by not learning form his first mistake ... like Huggins.
 

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So you prefer drunkards on the highways and WVU court side? No gurantee the W/L change as Huggins last 5 years allowed ,ore layups than a practice round.

WVU problem last night was allowing Pitt to shoot 42% from 3. This staff is really bad and this lineup has no depth. It's a bad combination.

I prefer the WVU basketball coach to not be completely in over his head. What the coach does in his spare time is something I care very little about and I’m not going to pretend to be a hypocrite when our school is infamous for partying and we have a football stadium that serves booze where tens of thousands of cars drive out of the parking lot at every game.
 

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I mean if you take a sh*t on your bosses desk in front of him and then wipe your *** with his tie, you may not have technically fired yourself. But essentially you would have. Huggins didn't do much better.
Yes - something 1 million people annually get caught doing is equivalent to literally taking a **** on a boss’s desk.
 

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I’m on record saying the university could have weathered the storm and kept Huggins, but, many people can and do lose their jobs from a DUI. I know I would, and driving is not a key aspect of what I do.
If I were in charge, I would've suspended him indefinitely until the drama smoke cleared and ppl like Hoppy got off the high horse. Meanwhile sit him down with the team and figure out a good exit plan. What I would not do is force him out overnight before anything had been thought out. The timing of this makes it very fragile. Huggins did a dumb thing, but the admin made it worse when it didnt have to be. I think if they would have let it cool for a minute, we could have kept some of the players. A lot of them seemed to like it here and were on the fence. If they let things cool off and sat down with Huggins for a heart to heart and with the team, I bet we keep a couple more of the players who left, even if Huggs still was in forced retirement. Dont jump so fast into it, its just stupid imo...
 

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If I were in charge, I would've suspended him indefinitely until the drama smoke cleared and ppl like Hoppy got off the high horse. Meanwhile sit him down with the team and figure out a good exit plan. What I would not do is force him out overnight before anything had been thought out. The timing of this makes it very fragile. Huggins did a dumb thing, but the admin made it worse when it didnt have to be. I think if they would have let it cool for a minute, we could have kept some of the players. A lot of them seemed to like it here and were on the fence. If they let things cool off and sat down with Huggins for a heart to heart and with the team, I bet we keep a couple more of the players who left, even if Huggs still was in forced retirement. Dont jump so fast into it, its just stupid imo...
I agree
 

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I prefer the WVU basketball coach to not be completely in over his head. What the coach does in his spare time is something I care very little about and I’m not going to pretend to be a hypocrite when our school is infamous for partying and we have a football stadium that serves booze where tens of thousands of cars drive out of the parking lot at every game.
But you are ok with one drunk off his feet? Give it up. He knew the consequences for his actions. He was warned. He thought he was above the law. He was wrong.
 

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But you are ok with one drunk off his feet? Give it up. He knew the consequences for his actions. He was warned. He thought he was above the law. He was wrong.
If he gets us to the tournament every year, sure man. What were you, the nerd who played laser tag at Up All Night while everyone else got drunk and chased girls on High Street? Where do you get this moral high ground from?
 

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If he gets us to the tournament every year, sure man. What were you, the nerd who played laser tag at Up All Night while everyone else got drunk and chased girls on High Street? Where do you get this moral high ground from?
I do not drink. I also did not play laser tag. Sorry.

I don't call it "moral high ground". If you want to drink, then by all means drink. If you want to chase tail, then by all means chase tail. But when you are employed at a place that you are basically a spokesperson for, and you get caught doing things that break that "moral" code that you signed in your contract, then that's on you.

I love Huggs. He was wrong. He was warned several times. He was shown the door for it. This is on him. Nobody else.
 
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Cool - Alabama trotted a kid onto a plane for a road game within 24 hours of him delivering a murder weapon to a crime scene in a sport they don’t even care that much about. If we want to pretend our coaches need to be Bible school teachers, then enjoy being 3-5 because that’s what ethics will get us.
Wow...there are so many low life opinions wrapped up in your misguided, juvenile,
borderline hidden racist remark that I should be stunned...but coming from your twisted logic I'm not.
 

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Wow...there are so many low life opinions wrapped up in your misguided, juvenile,
borderline hidden racist remark that I should be stunned...but coming from your twisted logic I'm not.
Pretty rich coming from you, freak.
I do not drink. I also did not play laser tag. Sorry.

I don't call it "moral high ground". If you want to drink, then by all means drink. If you want to chase tail, then by all means chase tail. But when you are employed at a place that you are basically a spokesperson for, and you get caught doing things that break that "moral" code that you signed in your contract, then that's on you.

I love Huggs. He was wrong. He was warned several times. He was shown the door for it. This is on him. Nobody else.
The “moral code” exists nowhere except your head. He gave Gee a chance to do what he’s been dreaming about doing since he arrived and Gee took it. He’ll leave the mess for another President to clean up.
 

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First - he didn’t. Second - there are 13,384 drunk driving crashes for 1 million recorded DUIs, count the ones that aren’t reported and you have a better shot at killing someone by unknowingly spreading Covid. Grow up, the world is full of flawed people.
So Huggs DUI is okay because other people do it to....got it.
 

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So Huggs DUI is okay because other people do it to....got it.
No, just showing you’re being ridiculous obsessing over a “what if” that is statistically insignificant. Driving without alcohol results in deaths… you gonna take away everyone’s keys? You’re trying to be the judge jury and executioner of what is acceptable risky behavior? There’s a penalty in place by law for a DUI, none of it is designed to be the end of a person’s professional career. That choice belonged to Gee and Baker (probably just Gee tbh).
 
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According to the highway traffic safety admin, texting and driving is 6 times more dangerous than drunk driving.

So if you have ever texted and drove before, you are an evil pos who is looking to hurt someone and should lose your job over it hands down, according to some brand of logic. Furthermore, if you text and drive, you have no right to post in this thread shaming a single person drunk driving because you are 6 times more dangerous. How many of you have ever texted and drove? How many of your kids do it?

If Mylan Puskar Field is packed with 60,000+ fans, how many of their cars are being driven by someone who has been drinking after the game? About how many drunk drivers would there be on the roads in Morgantown after a Backyard Brawl? How many of those drivers text and drive?
 
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No, just showing you’re being ridiculous obsessing over a “what if” that is statistically insignificant. Driving without alcohol results in deaths… you gonna take away everyone’s keys? You’re trying to be the judge jury and executioner of what is acceptable risky behavior? There’s a penalty in place by law for a DUI, none of it is designed to be the end of a person’s professional career. That choice belonged to Gee and Baker (probably just Gee tbh).
This is the truth, whether people want to admit it or not. We have a legal system that all of us have to deal with. Huggins will have to do what they say. But we live in a society where sadly even men now, love drama and the legal system is no longer enough. There has to be public shaming and loss of livelihood if its someone popular. The same people who want Huggs punished harshly and fired, are nowhere to be found on the other 99.99% of DUI's. I doubt they ever read the daily report. Why arent you guys shaming every person who gets a DUI and demanding they lose their jobs? Is Huggs the only dangerous one?

How many people here think if Pat White got a DUI, there would be the same fans on the message board calling for his job? Would he be all of the bad things people are saying about Huggins? Evil, etc, etc? Heck no lol. There would be so much compassion shown, you would think Mountaineer Nation was the most compassionate fanbase ever lol. Grow up peoples. Your bias is real, and the virtue signaling is fake.
 
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Pretty rich coming from you, freak.

The “moral code” exists nowhere except your head. He gave Gee a chance to do what he’s been dreaming about doing since he arrived and Gee took it. He’ll leave the mess for another President to clean up.
You are oblivious to contracts. At all public schools and universities, employees are signing "moral turpitude" clauses.
 

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I do not drink. I also did not play laser tag. Sorry.

I don't call it "moral high ground". If you want to drink, then by all means drink. If you want to chase tail, then by all means chase tail. But when you are employed at a place that you are basically a spokesperson for, and you get caught doing things that break that "moral" code that you signed in your contract, then that's on you.

I love Huggs. He was wrong. He was warned several times. He was shown the door for it. This is on him. Nobody else.
Not only did he break his contract by getting in trouble and embarrassing the University he also broke law. A selfish drunkard who chose this path. He could have stayed put or called a driver to take him home. He was making 4 million a year you know.

I agree he chose this.
 

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You are oblivious to contracts. At all public schools and universities, employees are signing "moral turpitude" clauses.
He literally became the coach here because of a DUI… why was it okay then but not now if there is super important honor code that Huggins broke? By no means am I saying Huggins should be bulletproof, but he had the program performing to our standards and was on paper queued up for a big year. If you’re going to fire him, we could have weathered the storm and did it in Spring of 2024 if the team underperformed and landed a decent coach, we already had the buyout dropped.

Here’s what I see. Huggins went on an obscure AM radio station and said something stupid that goes against the national narrative, ESPN reported it, Gee used that as the ammo he needed to get the buyout dropped because outright firing him would have resulted in Huggins keeping a good chunk of his buyout which wouldn’t have been great for our cash strapped University. The next chance he got he pounced on firing him without buyout with zero regard for the future of the hoops program, and only with eyes on taking out the one guy at the school who could challenge him. Now our school is the full on Gee clown show, academic reputation at its worst ever, major sports programs lead by submissive losers who will just go along with what Gee wants.
 
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What's wrong with giving him an ultimatum like do the rehab, really quit drinking and still get to coach? Oh that's right. A bunch of punk kids threw condoms at his players and he jokingly called them **** on a tiny radio show and some ball sack weirdo got their panties in a bunch of it and made an issue of it. Boohoo. He's such a horrible person. Whatever happened to the kids that threw the condoms? Did they get kicked out of school or anything like that, put on probation? Just curious.

But back to my first question, what would have really been wrong with Huggins keeping his job if he did a good thing and gets sober and turns over a new leaf? Would he be the first person to do such a thing? Is there a moral code against it? A written rule? Because from what I can tell, there would have been nothing wrong with a situation like that. Nothing at all actually. Not saying it's what I would've done, but it would be on the table, for sure. We are in fact only human. Jesus didn't die on the cross becsuse we are capable of being perfect. He did it because we aren't.....
 
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He literally became the coach here because of a DUI… why was it okay then but not now if there is super important honor code that Huggins broke? By no means am I saying Huggins should be bulletproof, but he had the program performing to our standards and was on paper queued up for a big year. If you’re going to fire him, we could have weathered the storm and did it in Spring of 2024 if the team underperformed and landed a decent coach, we already had the buyout dropped.

Here’s what I see. Huggins went on an obscure AM radio station and said something stupid that goes against the national narrative, ESPN reported it, Gee used that as the ammo he needed to get the buyout dropped because outright firing him would have resulted in Huggins keeping a good chunk of his buyout which wouldn’t have been great for our cash strapped University. The next chance he got he pounced on firing him without buyout with zero regard for the future of the hoops program, and only with eyes on taking out the one guy at the school who could challenge him. Now our school is the full on Gee clown show, academic reputation at its worst ever, major sports programs lead by submissive losers who will just go along with what Gee wants.
You won't ever be convinced. You are bringing up his hiring, why? That doesn't help your cause. He was let go for the SAME OFFENSE he was let go here. The only thing that this proves is that WVU went above-and-beyond to give the guy a "second chance", to which he went and screwed that up too. What is the old saying: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me? He (Huggs) forced the university's hand. If you really think that the school and athletic programs WANTED to fire Huggs, you are crazy.
 

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What's wrong with giving him an ultimatum like do the rehab, really quit drinking and still get to coach? Oh that's right. A bunch of punk kids threw condoms at his players and he jokingly called them **** on a tiny radio show and some ball sack weirdo got their panties in a bunch of it and made an issue of it. Boohoo. He's such a horrible person. Whatever happened to the kids that threw the condoms? Did they get kicked out of school or anything like that, put on probation? Just curious.

But back to my first question, what would have really been wrong with Huggins keeping his job if he did a good thing and gets sober and turns over a new leaf? Would he be the first person to do such a thing? Is there a moral code against it? A written rule? Because from what I can tell, there would have been nothing wrong with a situation like that. Nothing at all actually. Not saying it's what I would've done, but it would be on the table, for sure. We are in fact only human. Jesus didn't die on the cross becsuse we are capable of being perfect. He did it because we aren't.....
Well, how's that any better than your argument that the school shouldn't have fired him because of this personal matter with him (drinking addiction)? So you are ok with an employer FORCING its employee to check theirselves in to rehab? But not with them having the right to fire him? That's messed up.

Let's be honest, Huggs will drink again. It's inevitable. He's an alcoholic. They have relapses. So cut ties and hope that he gets help.