Bad news regarding singleton
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How is the Bolden kid panning out for them at WR? What was the story on him again? Committed to us out of MGCCC along with Carmon but we pulled his offer late due to being full?
I still think it's a mistake that you've added them. They don't even get in the picture for most prospects in the state. They have to take whatever scraps we both leave on the table. That's because it's a Big 2 in this state, not a Big 3, and it's perceived that way by everyone outside of Rick Cleveland and the other 10 USM fans.
Playing them, even in beating them, gives them some validity within the state and gives them some front page billing. That's the last thing either of us needs. We've both been doing a much better job keeping the top talent in the state lately, but it's barely enough to support us both as it is. Bringing another mouth to the table to occasionally have a chance to steal a top in-state recruit does no one any good but USM.
Just my opinion. It's been so long since either of us played them, so I guess you playing them will be the first test case in a while. I just don't see the positive value added. Playing Alcorn, JSU, etc. for a buy game every so often is one thing. Playing USM home and home is another.
Playing them, even in beating them, gives them some validity within the state and gives them some front page billing. That's the last thing either of us needs. We've both been doing a much better job keeping the top talent in the state lately, but it's barely enough to support us both as it is. Bringing another mouth to the table to occasionally have a chance to steal a top in-state recruit does no one any good but USM.
Just my opinion. It's been so long since either of us played them, so I guess you playing them will be the first test case in a while. I just don't see the positive value added. Playing Alcorn, JSU, etc. for a buy game every so often is one thing. Playing USM home and home is another.
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It's really not going to help them much at all. Recruits are still going to want to play on national TV every week and they're still going to want to have a chance at a better bowl than the Liberty. It's not like USM was really beating us out for that many recruits even back in the 80s when we both sucked and they were good. They were winning with Bama/Auburn leftovers (who they now have to share with Troy, UAB, and soon South Alabama) and LSU leftovers (who they now have to share with LA Tech, LA-Lafayette, and LA-Monroe) and also with good players who the big schools failed to identify in the recruiting process (not nearly as many of those around any more as the big guys are much more sophisticated about recruiting and there's so much more media coverage of HS sports and recruiting). Not to mention that in terms of finances and fanbase, they are further behind us than they've ever been, and an occasional game against them isn't going to change that.
... Greg B's idea.<div>
</div><div>Now that Scott is at the helm, I wonder if he feels that we should play them. Heck, I would buy out that game right now if I was him.</div>
</div><div>Now that Scott is at the helm, I wonder if he feels that we should play them. Heck, I would buy out that game right now if I was him.</div>
patdog said:
The BCS schools have really started to distance themselves from the non-BCS schools. Remember when Memphis used to give us trouble? Now look at them.
And what no one talks about is what would happen if MSU put a royal beatdown on USM. Would USM is taking a risk as much as MSU is.
pleasant task for us. They will be sky high when they play us and will not be an easy W for us by any means. My concern is I doubt we will be able to match their intensity. Hopefully we will just be that much of a better team that it won't matter.
Like a Big East or Big XII? Not saying it's the most likely scenario, but they would then be a BCS school, so playing them would appear a little better to a certain degree. To me at least. Being from the forrest county area, I tend to keep up with them a little bit, so I actually like the prospect of playing them on a regular basis.
They are not what they once were nor will they be. They play in a third rate conference that has no national leverage for players. All they have done since we last played is ***** about either of us not playing them. Think about how sad it is to have only one game a year that means anything at all. Sure, it will fill their stadium once every two years but selling out a 35k stadium WILL NOT bring in enough money to improve their program. Their fan base will go right back to 20-25 k per game for the other five or six home games. All that money will do is let them stay a night in a Motel 6 in Houston or somewhere. Or maybe take one flight on Con Air to an away game instead of riding the bus. It will do little to help their recruiting in-state because all they can offer the recruit is a chance to play one game a year against us (for now). They may see this as some big boost for their program but all it will do is show their recruits what they missed by not signing with a school in a good conference. Think about their game with SC. Did that boost their recruiting? Even if you argue it helps with Mississippi recruits we all know we will need to pick up some players from elsewhere to have long-term success. How much did we lose with DeAndre (Patterson-Barksdale) Brown? To this point, not a lot. Until either State or Mississippi reach a sustained level of success, this game will only mean a lot to the Southern fans. Nobody outside their 10 or 15 fans will care (other than WDAM and Mitch Williams). I say play'em and beat that ***. They'll holler calf-rope after consecutive beatings.
maroonmania said:
I agree this would be a bad scenario, but I believe we are supposed to open the season with them in 2014. Not sure about the 2015 game. Everyone is "up" for the first game of the season so they shouldn't have an advantage.
But I'll try to answer:
If they were to get into a BCS conference, it would help them out a lot for sure. I don't think that will happen. Would it make sense for us to play them if they were a BCS school?
I still say yes it would- but not every year. And honestly, I don't think that's in USM's best interests either. Because it would automatically eat up a non-conference spot for both of us. I think it's to both of our benefits to have some flexibility with scheduling to play other people. And I hated it when we played Memphis every year to like we did from the 70's to the turn of the century.
I've always said play USM twice out of every four-five years home and home, but not every year.
If you're asking me would USM be more of a threat to us if they were a BCS team? Yes, but at the same time you also have to consider that they may or may not have as much success in a BCS conference as they are now in C-USA, and you also have to consider the fact that we will still be in the SEC, which is still in our favor.
If you're asking me if more MSU fans would be for playing USM if they were a BCS team- I would say no. I think the arguements for not playing them will remain. That's why I am a proponent for my "happy medium" because there are some legit concerns about money and etc.
If they were to get into a BCS conference, it would help them out a lot for sure. I don't think that will happen. Would it make sense for us to play them if they were a BCS school?
I still say yes it would- but not every year. And honestly, I don't think that's in USM's best interests either. Because it would automatically eat up a non-conference spot for both of us. I think it's to both of our benefits to have some flexibility with scheduling to play other people. And I hated it when we played Memphis every year to like we did from the 70's to the turn of the century.
I've always said play USM twice out of every four-five years home and home, but not every year.
If you're asking me would USM be more of a threat to us if they were a BCS team? Yes, but at the same time you also have to consider that they may or may not have as much success in a BCS conference as they are now in C-USA, and you also have to consider the fact that we will still be in the SEC, which is still in our favor.
If you're asking me if more MSU fans would be for playing USM if they were a BCS team- I would say no. I think the arguements for not playing them will remain. That's why I am a proponent for my "happy medium" because there are some legit concerns about money and etc.
We open with them in 2015 as well<div>
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I kind of agree with playing them twice out of 3 years, but just me personally, I like to see in state rivalries flourish to some degree especially considering that I like to see Southern do well since they are in my home town. If they could do well in a BCS conference then I see that as helping the state as a whole with publicity if we continue on the path we are and they continue to improve as well. All in all, that's just wishful thinking on my part, but realistically...until both programs see exponential growth within the next few years, it wouldn't be realistic seeing them play year in and out.
According to 615Dawg's statistics, they're still ranked 13 spots higher than THE Mississippi Louisiana Black Bears
Southern Miss - 39
Ole Miss - 52
How's that "top talent" you have working out?
Southern Miss - 39
Ole Miss - 52
How's that "top talent" you have working out?
If they got an invite from either the Big East or the Big 12, it would only be because that conference had been so weakened that it wouldn't be a BCS conference any more anyway. It would be a conference scrambling to even stay alive as a football conference at all.</p>
both times... I will punch a baby. Being from and living in Hattiesburg, I hear too much about this entire situation. Believe it or not, I'd say 70% of USM fans still think we are too scared to play them. That's 7 USM fans.
I kind of agree with playing them twice out of 3 years, but just me
personally, I like to see in state rivalries flourish to some degree
- Is one in-state rivalry not enough? Do you really even think USM will be a "rivalry" to our fans?
especially considering that<span style="font-weight: bold;"> I like to see Southern do well since they
are in my home town. </span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
- Are you really a state fan?
<br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">If they could do well in a BCS conference</span>
-wont happen
<span style="font-weight: bold;">then I
see that as helping the state as a whole with publicity if we continue
on the path we are and they continue to improve as well. </span>
- again, are you sure you are a state fan? If southern continues to improve the only institution that will benefit from that is USM. State and Ole Miss losing players to them is never a good thing and would in no way help the state "as a whole". If anything, all three teams would be laughed at. Our state is already too small to have two "Big Boys".
<br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">All in all,
that's just wishful thinking on my part</span>
-wishful because you are from Hattiesburg and you want to see southern benefit from all this? People are so clueless on this issue<br style="font-weight: bold;">
personally, I like to see in state rivalries flourish to some degree
- Is one in-state rivalry not enough? Do you really even think USM will be a "rivalry" to our fans?
especially considering that<span style="font-weight: bold;"> I like to see Southern do well since they
are in my home town. </span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
- Are you really a state fan?
<br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">If they could do well in a BCS conference</span>
-wont happen
<span style="font-weight: bold;">then I
see that as helping the state as a whole with publicity if we continue
on the path we are and they continue to improve as well. </span>
- again, are you sure you are a state fan? If southern continues to improve the only institution that will benefit from that is USM. State and Ole Miss losing players to them is never a good thing and would in no way help the state "as a whole". If anything, all three teams would be laughed at. Our state is already too small to have two "Big Boys".
<br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">All in all,
that's just wishful thinking on my part</span>
-wishful because you are from Hattiesburg and you want to see southern benefit from all this? People are so clueless on this issue<br style="font-weight: bold;">
Considering one parent went to Southern, the other to State. I just feel like WE cater to THEM in this entire situation. I think they should be catering to us. You know, considering we are the SEC team and they are not. I feel like we just gave in to them and either way the games turn out, they win. We gave in to their desire to play us and gather media coverage that they would not otherwise get. Whether you believe it or not, having them around in our state hurts us and Ole Miss.
If they just came to Starkville, or came to Starkville once, I feel like we would benefit from the deal. I know that would never happen with the money situation and USM is not that much smaller than us.
If they just came to Starkville, or came to Starkville once, I feel like we would benefit from the deal. I know that would never happen with the money situation and USM is not that much smaller than us.