ball talk*

[KurtRambis4]

For some

cheese-dick message board poster to question Ben's coaching isn't worth my time.

 

[Shamoan]

But arguing with said cheese-dick message board poster is?

 

[KurtRambis4]

No. As I'm not.*

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[Shamoan]

Probably a good move.

 

[fishwater99]

Carter is a pure shooter but is too small to defend. Needs to beef up some. Stapleton is a 3, Carter a 2, same as Q.
Carter will be a good player when he is jr and sr.

 

[57stratdawg]

Hahahahahah... k

 

[NWADog]

Herards problem to me is his inability to make quick decisions. He just looks like he thinks too much instead of catching the pass and making a move he shuffles and isn't sure of himself. The more minutes he gets the better he will be. He's obviously not quite ready offensively but he's gonna get there. The confidence will come

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Questioned would be a reasonable characterization. I think that is fair, but I didn't say he doesn't know X's and O's.

There was another thread, where I said you wouldn't know Xs and Os if it hit you in the face. Think it was after the bama game

 

[mstateglfr]

Yea that's true. Wish you coulda seen this hook shot he tried.

It looked like the toss on the opening tip.

The shot down low where he was clearly hit on the shooting arm?
Oh yeah, LULZ LMAO and other dumb internet ways to say 'funny'. That **** was hilarious.**

 

[mstateglfr]

Shamoan says howland doesn't know Xs and Os tho, so this can't be right

I think we both know you are being disingenuous with that characterization. Just link it for everyone.

You denying you said that? I'm def not gonna look that **** up. Rambis saw the post you said it in.

Questioned would be a reasonable characterization. I think that is fair, but I didn't say he doesn't know X's and O's.

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?167701-Energy-level&p=1299140#post1299140

Shamoan- you more than just questioned if Howland understands X and Os. The important parts from the quote in the other thread is below.

Howland is an excellent coach that we are lucky to have, but X's and O's don't seem to be his strength...Perhaps designed play calls are a work in progress.

Most reasonable people associate 'doesnt know' with 'dont seem to be his strength'. Those comments are essentially the same thing.

 

[Shamoan]

Thanks for your input, but if you made that connection, you are reading things that were never said. Not his strength doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is doing, and that not semantics, it's command of the English language.

 

[Shamoan]

It's in my quote in the tread I linked which you clearly didn't read...shocker.

 

[dawgstudent]

He's very raw with limited basketball knowledge. Sometimes I wonder if Datcher could get more of his minutes.

The biggest thing is that him playing allows Holman to play the 4 which helps on both ends.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

It was probably these that have people so fired up, but I don't have a dog in the fight.

I'm sure everyone is going to **** all over me but howland's coaching has not impressed. To his credit, he is a hell of a recruiter, but I have seen little to none as X's and O's. what impact has he had from a schematic standpoint? Genuinely curious, because I don't see it and maybe with rays ****, it's not easy scraping the crap off the wall, but aside from his recruiting, what is happening that I'm not seeing?

I'm pumped to have howland on campus, but family can call family out...in that spirit, what is howland doing that brought teams to the final four in terms of coaching? Is his strength solely in recruiting cause I genuinely don't see much on the court... but I've never played high level bb.

We are young. Exactly what year does coaching become a factor? Should I tune in Q's junior or senior year?

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

He's not gonna admit he was wrong. I'm sure his eternal pessimism will resurface at the first sign of trouble in the near future, where he will "question" some things.

 

[engie]

I'm betting there's a Cohen quote in there somewhere to complete the trifecta...

At what point does it just become his shtick?

 

[Shamoan]

its an extremely difficult maneuver to put me in the "ben howland sucks/lets fire him" (im sure that wont stop some of you from trying) when i have been largely complementary of what he has done and use lines like "he is a great coach", "we are lucky to have him" among others. howland is going to do great things at MSU if we can hold on to him.


i think differently than you, but in the end, its only my opinion and only yours.

 

[tcdog70]

Herard, is a pretty good free throw shooter. He is rebounding better and learning to defend without fouling. Those are huge improvements in a short time. Ben says he is really Coachable. He will learn how to play some offense. the fact that He can defend and rebound makes him very valuable to this team. He needs to work on how to accept an entry pass and then His footwork after He has the ball. He reminds Me of Wiley Peck for you youngsters a raw player we had who became known as the "Chairman Of The Board" and was a 1st round draft choice. So both he and Datcher look like players with tremendous upside.

 

[Shamoan]

he bunts too much.

 

[kired]

He's a turnover machine right now. I'd say there's a 25% chance he'll turn it over anytime he gets the ball. I like his size, but we've got to limit his touches on offense as much as possible for now.

 

[Maroon Blood]

20 down, 20 to go.

We had that lull where the last four years we would have bent over and taken it. Tonight we fought out of it and regained the lead. If not for a terrible IJ turnover in the last minute we would be up 8 and would have had a shot at double digits.

We need to keep rebounding well and not giving them many second shots. Hope that we keep finding the hot hand when it is hot. Early it was Q, then Peters, then no one, then Q again. It would be great to get a couple of big shots from Tyson this half. Might be enough to put us over the top.

Let's just make our mutual friend cry again. If he cries again, all is well.

 

[Maroon Blood]

I said the same thing about Wiley Peck. He reminds me of "The Chairman" a lot when Peck was young. For those too young to remember Wiley Peck, he once knocked himself out with a dunk during a game. He was under the basket and slammed it hard and the ball hit the top of his head and knocked him out. Peck and Rickey Brown down low were incredible. That was my fav State team of all-time....Ray White, Al Perry, Gary Hooker, etc. For those that don't remember Gary Hooker....well, mere words cannot describe.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Still not sure what we owe him an apology for???*

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[mstateglfr]

Thanks for your input, but if you made that connection, you are reading things that were never said. Not his strength doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is doing, and that not semantics, it's command of the English language.

Not his strength is a common term for saying someone isnt good at something. People who dont know something are not good at that thing. See how 'not his strength' and 'howland doesnt know' could be pretty damn interchangeable?

You have been extremely complimentary of Howland's recruiting. You have also continually questioned his x and o skills...and by question, i mean show doubt thru multiple complaints versus an innocent question.